Throughout history jesus was a white man

Byrnzie

I think I may be slightly misunderstood here. I have not once said that he didn't exist. I have been arguing that he didn't exist at the time which he is generally accepted to have lived.
Go figure.

chopitdown

Byrnzie wrote:

Yes. It does matter.

'Racist Christian organisations (a tiny minority, but there, none the less) like to portray Jesus, and indeed God as a white man to further their own agenda - if God is white, then surely the white races are God's Chosen Children, and all others are inferior? (eg. the "Children Of Ham" myth, which says that God turned their skin black as punishment).'
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/jesus_white.html


'The mainstreaming of a white Jesus began in earnest during the early Middle Ages in Europe, a time and place where darkness had a powerfully negative connotation. Eighth and ninth century European theologians, obsessed with the symbolism of the Passion, began ascribing blame to the Jews. As such, Judas and King Herod and eventually Pontius Pilate came to be represented in dark, sinister hues while Jesus became increasingly white. “The oldest basis of all Christian art is the clash of good versus evil, light versus dark,” said Colum Hourihane, director of the Index of Christian Art at Princeton University. “This was particularly the case in the ninth and tenth centuries, when basically the Jews assumed a dark coloration [in art] while Christ became radiantly white, illuminated.” This whiteness naturally extended to such secondary characters as Mary and Joseph and the disciples.'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16125068/site/newsweek/

as soon as i let a racist organization determine my views on christ and christianity, then it will matter. I was assuming people can read and think and evaluate for themselves. And for those that can it doesn't matter what heritage or skin color Jesus had. If his words and deeds were true, which i believe they were, his skin color has no effect on the validity of him.

People will always try to manipulate things to fit their agenda (racist organizations, corrupt individuals). Their views shouldn't be looked upon as legitimate. They should be seen what they are...attempts to manipulate something for their own gain. Christianity isn't about conforming Christ to what we want him to be.

somebodyelsessky2020

jesus was blue and still is....religion sucks...god isn't in a church or a book he is in nature and life..so the next time you want to visit and talk with him go to a piece of his work, like the eyes of your child a national park or on a perfect night all you have to do is lay down and look up at the stars and have as long a chat as you like......no rules no offending anyone no my god, your god, this is wrong that is right... just you and the big guy all alone having a private one on one.

Byrnzie

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

jesus was blue and still is....religion sucks...god isn't in a church or a book he is in nature and life..so the next time you want to visit and talk with him go to a piece of his work, like the eyes of your child a national park or on a perfect night all you have to do is lay down and look up and the stars and have as long a chat as you like......no rules no offending anyone no my god, your god, this is wrong that is right... just you and the big guy all alone having a private one on one.

I think you've confused Jesus with God here. But other than that, I totally agree with you.

Collin

Byrnzie wrote:

O.k. Provide some evidence to the contrary then.

I could do an exhaustive research but to be honest I don't really care.

Collin

miller8966 wrote:

Evidence proves that Jesus did exist. Just look at the number of gospels producedi n his name. Also even skeptics of his divinity ( holy blood holy grail) confirm the fact that he did exist.

Though I agree that Jesus existed, the number of gospels isn't evidence at all.

Now Mohammed on the other hand is a different story. Somehow god spoke to this guy in a cave, and no one is ever allowed to draw a picture of him....hmm sounds more sketchy than jesus to me.

Do you base your belief on whether or not you're allowed to draw a picture of someone?

I actually think there's more evidence of the existence than there is of Jesus, I could be wrong, though. But I'm not saying anything on whether or not his message was right or not. But I believe he did exsist just as Jesus, just two mere mortals and nothing more.

angelica

Collin wrote:

...just two mere mortals and nothing more.

Do you believe that there are mystics and sages who have had peeks into the meaning of life far beyond the average person?

Byrnzie

Collin wrote:

I could do an exhaustive research but to be honest I don't really care.

You would need more than a library card. You'd need an air fare to Israel and a shovel.

Collin

Byrnzie wrote:

You would need more than a library card. You'd need an air fare to Israel and a shovel.

I'm already half way, I have a shovel:D

Byrnzie

angelica wrote:

Do you believe that there are mystics and sages who have had peeks into the meaning of life far beyond the average person?

Sure. All tribal societies have possesed and celebrated such people.

Collin

angelica wrote:

Do you believe that there are mystics and sages who have had peeks into the meaning of life far beyond the average person?

Tough question.

Short answer; yes.

angelica

Collin wrote:

Tough question.

Short answer; yes.

If you believe in a historical Jesus, is it also possible that he was such a mystic?

Collin

angelica wrote:

If you believe in a historical Jesus, is it also possible that he was such a mystic?

Yes. That's what I said, a mere mortal and nothing more.

angelica

Byrnzie wrote:

Sure. All tribal societies have possesed and celebrated such people.

I agree. 100%.

angelica

Collin wrote:

Yes. That's what I said, a mere mortal and nothing more.

It sounds like you acknowledge that he may have been a "mere" mortal who also had peeks into the deeper meaning of life that the average person does not.

Collin

angelica wrote:

It sounds like you acknowledge that he may have been a "mere" mortal who also had peeks into the deeper meaning of life that the average person does not.

I think a lot of people can have peeks into the deeper meaning of life... it doesn't make them more important than the average person who does not have these peeks.

Let me rephrase:

I think he was an exceptional man, a revolutionary maybe... but there are many revolutionaries and many exceptional men as well...

deadnote

i love jesus whether he was white or black yet then again
were all in between like a rainbow and as ive said a few other times
only in our eyes is there white and if yoru stoned you red

angelica

Collin wrote:

I think a lot of people can have peeks into the deeper meaning of life... it doesn't make them more important than the average person who does not have these peeks.

I agree, they are not more important. And rank pulling should not be done. At all. And when it is used, it's a sign of dysfunction.

At the same time, it seems that throughout time there have been those who have seen far beyond what the average person sees, in ways that they've developed philosophies that numerous people have resonated with. Just like I may resonate to something Eddie Vedder says because it feels right in my heart, others have felt that way about some of our well-known mystics and their messages.

cornnifer

Byrnzie wrote:

Of course it must be because it goes against your cherished, yet unfounded, beliefs.

Actually, it's just one of many sources I found. I could choose from dozens. This one just seemed to sum it up more succintly than a lot of more academically oriented articles - http://www.lastdaysreporter.com/josephus.html

http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/jesus-never-existed.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

As i assumed. Very biased, very unaccredited, and completely fringe. Takes balls to even list these sources.

Byrnzie

cornnifer wrote:

As i assumed. Very biased, very unaccredited, and completely fringe. Takes balls to even list these sources.

Since when has Wikipdeia been fringe?
You seem desperate to cling to your unfounded beliefs on this issue. Let it go man! It doesn't affect your religious affiliation if that's what you are in fact affiliated with. As I said above, i'm not claiming that Jesus never existed. I'm saying that if he existed then the evidence points to it being about 1000 years previous to that generally accepted.