The Greatest American Concern

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  • vedhead19
    vedhead19 Posts: 89
    My greatest concern is that fucking ass clown Bush is going to be office for two more years!
    are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?

    can't escape from the common rule if you hate something, don't you do it too

  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    globalization, as with any other country.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What do you think the government is?

    Corporation, noun:

    1. A body that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
    2. Such a body created for purposes of government.
    3. A group of people combined into or acting as one body.

    Our government is supposed to represent it's people. The corporations Commy is speaking of only represent themselves and their profit. Our govt should represent us (as a whole) over representing the profits of these corporations.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    the greatest average american concern is who won american idol,...
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    sonicreducer wrote:
    the greatest average american concern is who won american idol,...


    and therein lies the rub.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    So...unless your view is that capitalism is evil (not a mainstream view)...the parties are further apart today than they have been in 80 years. I'm not trying to wage a personal attack here, but only people on either one of the fringes can't see a difference between today's Reps and Dems.


    Would the over half of the United States public that does not vote be considered "fringe"? They actually represent the majority...and granted they don't all see it as a one party system, but the majority choose not to vote because they feel that they really don't have a choice...

    And you have an opinion...calling us the fringe-yet those of us on the "fringe" happen to back our opinion with facts-details you have seem to have left out of your post.

    Not a personal attack here either...just saying...
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Commy wrote:
    Would the over half of the United States public that does not vote be considered "fringe"? They actually represent the majority...and granted they don't all see it as a one party system, but the majority choose not to vote because they feel that they really don't have a choice...

    And you have an opinion...calling us the fringe-yet those of us on the "fringe" happen to back our opinion with facts-details you have seem to have left out of your post.

    Not a personal attack here either...just saying...

    The half of the population that does not vote are completely clueless to politics. Years of public opinion data backs this up. I didn't think I needed to cite sources because it seemed so obvious...but check out The American Voter, the origins of public opinion (Zaller 1993) and every other scholarly book ever written on public opinion.

    I refer to the opinions expressed here as the fringe because they are. Perhaps "fringe" is a negative word but do you honestly think that the opinions expressed here are representative of the voting population as a whole? This is what I mean by fringe. It can be tedious to start a discussion on why the self-loathing world view of the Zinnions or Air America are not accepted by most voters. And no, it's not because of a lack of a desire to know the "truth." So, to avoid this never ending rhetorical discussion, I refer to fringe opinions as just that.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    The half of the population that does not vote are completely clueless to politics. Years of public opinion data backs this up. I didn't think I needed to cite sources because it seemed so obvious...but check out The American Voter, the origins of public opinion (Zaller 1993) and every other scholarly book ever written on public opinion.

    I refer to the opinions expressed here as the fringe because they are. Perhaps "fringe" is a negative word but do you honestly think that the opinions expressed here are representative of the voting population as a whole? This is what I mean by fringe. It can be tedious to start a discussion on why the self-loathing world view of the Zinnions or Air America are not accepted by most voters. And no, it's not because of a lack of a desire to know the "truth." So, to avoid this never ending rhetorical discussion, I refer to fringe opinions as just that.

    Call us what you will...

    we're getting off topic anyway....

    You claimed the biggest threat to America were the idividuals who don't believe there is difference between the democratic and republican parties...

    And that statement might be true...but in inconsequential ways...

    The overall affect of voting a Democrat or Republican into office has no affect on the important issues..things that matter, that affect us and others. Things like foreign policy-a major concern for much of the world, and many Americans too. Things like social spending, the environment, education, health care...all of these things are issues AMericans care about...yet whomever they vote into office will still cater to industry and the corporate class.

    Again, a country is democratic to the extent the people have meaningful participation in the decision making process, in this case here in the US that amounts to none at all.

    A voter should be able to check a box and have that affect their lives in some way-positively. THey should be given the oportunity for representation-that isn't happening. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter...they will both maintain the status quo...catering to the institutions that put them in power. Is the nature of authority...Machiavelli was very insightfut.

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