6 'Death Squad' Members Caught in Iraq

PaperPlates

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2006/jul/25/072500534.html


Every little bit helps. Good thing we arent as inhumane as they are, or these dipshits would have been publicly beheaded already.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -

U.S. and Iraqi soldiers captured six members of an alleged "death squad" in Baghdad on Tuesday, hoping to quell the rampant sectarian violence dividing the capital, while attacks elsewhere in Iraq left at least 26 people dead.

In Washington, President Bush met Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki at the White House to discuss the deteriorating security situation. Bush said a U.S. military program to bolster Iraqi security forces in Baghdad will better address the violence there as he pledged to stand by Iraq's new democratic government.

"He believes and I believe that there needs to be more forces inside Baghdad who are willing to hold people to account," Bush said during a joint news conference.

Al-Maliki said the most important element of a new security program "is to curb the religious violence."

Representatives of Iraq's ethnic and sectarian groups met in Cairo, Egypt, to discuss ways to reconcile. Some 30 delegates representing Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds and other smaller minorities participated in discussions sponsored by the Cairo-based Arab League.

The talks are intended to prepare for a national reconciliation conference in Baghdad next month. U.S. officials believe control of Baghdad - the political, cultural, transport and economic hub of the country - will determine the future of Iraq.

"This is a duty for Iraqis to find out ways for ending this dilemma," said Arab League Undersecretary-General Ahmed Ben Heli, whose group sponsored the conference.

The six suspects, including a cell leader, were detained during a pre-dawn raid on four buildings in Baghdad, a U.S. military statement said. It was not clear if those detained Tuesday were Sunnis or Shiites.

Later in the day, gunmen attacked a police checkpoint in Dujail, about 50 miles north of Baghdad, and ambushed a sport utility vehicle belonging to a private security company in north Baghdad, killing eight people.

The killings gripping the capital accelerated after the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra and have steadily increased despite the establishment of al-Maliki's national unity government in May.

"We are determined to defeat terrorism and the security plan for Baghdad has entered the second phase, and it's achieving its objectives in hunting the terrorists and networks, and eliminating it," al-Maliki said in Washington.

Many of the death squads are believed to be associated with either Sunni or Shiite armed groups, targeting rival sect members as part of a struggle for power between the country's two major religious communities.

U.S. officials have avoided identifying death squads and militias by sect, preferring instead to refer to them as criminals and thugs. Iraq's army and police, which are heavily Shiite, have had trouble winning the trust of residents of majority Sunni neighborhoods.

As a result, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., has said more American troops will take to the streets to bolster Iraqi forces, especially in Sunni areas such as Dora, Amariya and Ghazaliyah.

In other violence Tuesday, the head of Saddam Hussein's tribe was killed when gunmen attacked a meeting in the office of a prominent sheik in Tikrit.

Mahmoud Ali Hussein al-Nida, head of the Baijat tribe, died following the attack at about 7:30 p.m. Monday. The gunmen also killed a lawyer and wounded sheik Mizahim al-Mustafa, police Lt. Ahmed Asaad said. Two other civilians caught in the crossfire also were killed, Asaad said.

The Baijat tribe includes several clans, including Saddam's Albu-Nassir clan. Al-Nida was not directly related to Saddam.

In northeastern Baghdad, a suicide car bomber attacked a joint Iraqi-U.S. checkpoint, killing three.

At least 11 bullet-riddled bodies were found dumped in two Baghdad neighborhoods, police said.

U.S. military commanders have struggled to quell the violence and have only recently intensified their efforts to disrupt groups of Sunni gunmen and Shiite militias responsible for much of the violence. Last week, U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted 19 operations specifically targeting death squads. All but two were in Baghdad.

"Clearly Baghdad is the center that everybody is fighting for," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, spokesman for the U.S. military in Baghdad, said this week. "We will do whatever it takes to bring security to Baghdad."

In other violence, a parked car bomb near a police checkpoint in southern Baghdad's Rissala neighborhood in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib suburb exploded at 4:45 p.m., injuring five civilians, police said.

Five bodies were found in the streets of Muqdadiyah, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, in Diyala province.

Ahnimus

I think "Kill all military age males" is a pretty inhumane order.

Jammin909

PaperPlates wrote:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2006/jul/25/072500534.html

Every little bit helps. Good thing we arent as inhumane as they are, or these dipshits would have been publicly beheaded already.

We have killed over 45,000 Iraqis since the start of the war. 2000 US Soldiers have been killed and a lot of other coalition troops.

This would have have happened, nor would there be any "death squad" if Saddam was still in power. We could have also saved $300 billion.

PaperPlates

And I think "israel must be wiped off the map" is pretty much in the same category, no? Oh yea, he's just venting, since he's the underdog, its okay.

Ahnimus

Jammin909 wrote:

We have killed over 45,000 Iraqis since the start of the war. 2000 US Soldiers have been killed and a lot of other coalition troops.

This would have have happened, nor would there be any "death squad" if Saddam was still in power. We could have also saved $300 billion.

"th...th...those weapons were there!" hahahah

I heard someone say this on Alex Jones' Terrorstorm.

What a laugh, people still believe he had WMDs.

PaperPlates

Ahnimus wrote:

"th...th...those weapons were there!" hahahah

I heard someone say this on Alex Jones' Terrorstorm.

What a laugh, people still believe he had WMDs.

And I think it funny that people completely rule out the very real possibility that there were. What with all the warnings and media coverage of inspections/invasions. No fuckin way they had time to move them eh? The very fact that none of you are willing to give that possibility and credence, tells me its most likely the correct one.

RockinInCanada

PaperPlates wrote:

And I think it funny that people completely rule out the very real possibility that there were. What with all the warnings and media coverage of inspections/invasions. No fuckin way they had time to move them eh? The very fact that none of you are willing to give that possibility and credence, tells me its most likely the correct one.

I think that lack of any evidence proves there were no weapons...before hand maybe...currently no.....if there is no evidence very hard to prove someone guilty regardless IF they ever had them....

PaperPlates

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I think that lack of any evidence proves there were no weapons...before hand maybe...currently no.....if there is no evidence very hard to prove someone guilty regardless IF they ever had them....

Noones disputing if they are currently there. ???????????????????

Very hard to prove, indeed.

A big stretch to believe?? Not when you think with your head and not your heart.

RockinInCanada

PaperPlates wrote:

Noones disputing if they are currently there. ???????????????????

Very hard to prove, indeed.

A big stretch to believe?? Not when you think with your head and not your heart.

I 100% believe they never had nukes.....

PaperPlates

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I 100% believe they never had nukes.....

Neither do I. They couldnt develop one on their own thats for sure. But Nukes are not the only WMD out there. Unfortunately, there are many many many weapons of Terrible destruction out there, all for the highest bidder.

RockinInCanada

PaperPlates wrote:

Nukes are not the only WMD out there. Unfortunately, there are many many many weapons of Terrible destruction out there, all for the highest bidder.

I just said nukes....as for biological I dont know for sure.....but as for now if this was a case in a court of law they would be innocent.....like I said with no proof its really difficult to prove something happened.....

Cosmo

PaperPlates wrote:

And I think it funny that people completely rule out the very real possibility that there were. What with all the warnings and media coverage of inspections/invasions. No fuckin way they had time to move them eh? The very fact that none of you are willing to give that possibility and credence, tells me its most likely the correct one.

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If you really believe that the Iraqi military was able to transport tons of weapons, hundreds of miles through open desert... then you MUST believe that either the Iraqi military had the most brilliant people in the world... or the U.S. military and Intelligence agencies are inept and useless. You have to believe that our F-15 and F-16 pilots patrolling the highways since 1991 are really, really stupid.
I DON'T believe that. I don't believe that the inept, piece of shit Iraqi military are smarter than our fighter pilots and air surveillence crews. One AE-6 Prowler is cabable of tracking every vehicle travelling between Los Angeles and Santa Barbara... we had the big trackers over Iraq.
You must believe that our military people are completely blind or stupid NOT to notice that traffic.

PaperPlates

Cosmo wrote:

...
If you really believe that the Iraqi military was able to transport tons of weapons, hundreds of miles through open desert... then you MUST believe that either the Iraqi military had the most brilliant people in the world... or the U.S. military and Intelligence agencies are inept and useless. You have to believe that our F-15 and F-16 pilots patrolling the highways since 1991 are really, really stupid.
I DON'T believe that. I don't believe that the inept, piece of shit Iraqi military are smarter than our fighter pilots and air surveillence crews. One AE-6 Prowler is cabable of tracking every vehicle travelling between Los Angeles and Santa Barbara... we had the big trackers over Iraq.
You must believe that our military people are completely blind or stupid NOT to notice that traffic.

How big of a container of Chemical weapons does it take to kill 100,000 people? How many containers can you break that down into? Countless im sure. I dont know what I believe. I know that I dont believe in absolutes tho. And to think that theres absolutely no way there were any kind of WMD is foolish too.

mtilden

PaperPlates wrote:

Neither do I. They couldnt develop one on their own thats for sure. But Nukes are not the only WMD out there. Unfortunately, there are many many many weapons of Terrible destruction out there, all for the highest bidder.

Autocrats who are considered infidels by Muslim terrorists groups aren't having live weapons auctions for said terrorist groups.

PaperPlates

mtilden wrote:

Autocrats who are considered infidels by Muslim terrorists groups aren't having live weapons auctions for said terrorist groups.

Thats good to know?? <----insert emoticon scratching head.

Enlighten me with your in depth knowledge of the illegal weapons black market trade.

Cosmo

PaperPlates wrote:

How big of a container of Chemical weapons does it take to kill 100,000 people? How many containers can you break that down into? Countless im sure. I dont know what I believe. I know that I dont believe in absolutes tho. And to think that theres absolutely no way there were any kind of WMD is foolish too.

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I know they HAD chemical weapons... in 1984. WE sold them to Iraq. We wanted Iraq (Saddam Hussein) to use them in the 8 year stalemate with Iran. We hated Iran more than Iraq (just like the hated the Soviets more than the Mujahadin (Bin Laden and his crew).
But, guess what? Hussein used them on Iran. He used them against the Kurds after we convinced them to rebel and we'd back them up... which we didn't. AND the 1991 Gulf War destroyed all of their assets... development, manufacturing, storage and distribution. AND the swarm of weapons inspection immediately following the 1991 Gulf War discovered and destroyed tons of them.
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So... how much remained? And you don't just keep the stuff in your garage. Ask a military guy how he has to handle and store munitions... especially chemical/biological munitions. If they did have some left over from 1989 to 1991... how effective would they be in 2003 with inadequate storage facilities. About as effective as that can of gasoline in your garage that is about 12 years old.

mtilden

PaperPlates wrote:

Thats good to know?? <----insert emoticon scratching head.

Enlighten me with your in depth knowledge of the illegal weapons black market trade.

Let me put it this way, since one of Osama Bin Laden's goals was to overthrow Saddam Hussein, Saddam was not going to sell weapons to him.

PaperPlates

mtilden wrote:

Let me put it this way, since one of Osama Bin Laden's goals was to overthrow Saddam Hussein, Saddam was not going to sell weapons to him.

Let me put it this way, since Osama Bin Laden isnt the only terrorist out there, I dont get your point.

mtilden

PaperPlates wrote:

Let me put it this way, since Osama Bin Laden isnt the only terrorist out there, I dont get your point.

My point is that someone so power hungry is not going to be passing out his weapons to potential threats.

PaperPlates

mtilden wrote:

My point is that someone so power hungry is not going to be passing out his weapons to potential threats.

Glad you think so. I feel safe knowing our security is in your hands.



The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

PaperPlates

Cosmo wrote:

...
I know they HAD chemical weapons... in 1984. WE sold them to Iraq. We wanted Iraq (Saddam Hussein) to use them in the 8 year stalemate with Iran. We hated Iran more than Iraq (just like the hated the Soviets more than the Mujahadin (Bin Laden and his crew).
But, guess what? Hussein used them on Iran. He used them against the Kurds after we convinced them to rebel and we'd back them up... which we didn't. AND the 1991 Gulf War destroyed all of their assets... development, manufacturing, storage and distribution. AND the swarm of weapons inspection immediately following the 1991 Gulf War discovered and destroyed tons of them.
...
So... how much remained? And you don't just keep the stuff in your garage. Ask a military guy how he has to handle and store munitions... especially chemical/biological munitions. If they did have some left over from 1989 to 1991... how effective would they be in 2003 with inadequate storage facilities. About as effective as that can of gasoline in your garage that is about 12 years old.

Cool, since they are harmless, maybe you can store them all at your place.