Rahm Emanuel's father was a terrorist, and apparently this is no problem?

MrBrian

It's important not to talk about any ones dad here, it tends to distract from the point.

All we need to look at is simply his votes and his words. Obama picked a person, for a very very important position who supported the Iraq war, not just when it happened but even years after with no regret. Is not critical of Israel, a state that is constantly breaking international laws, human rights violations. (Except for one occasion in which he felt that Israel should not of turned away some african refugees)

The people who voted for 'change' should be upset at this choice. Simple as that.

But why should I be shocked that they are not? They backed Biden, another pro Iraq war tool.

Commy

we can't expect fundamental change from Obama, that's rediculous. Support for Israel is a prerequisite for even running for president, of course his staff is going to have pro-Israeli personnel.

MrBrian

Commy wrote:

we can't expect fundamental change from Obama, that's rediculous. Support for Israel is a prerequisite for even running for president, of course his staff is going to have pro-Israeli personnel.

I have an Issue that his supporters think its fine, they dont even care or think its strange that one must be so pro israel to run for president in the first place.

btw Obama already won, he does not really have to put such pro israeli people in such powerful places. I mean Rahm is right at the top for his support for israel and his position in this new Obama admin.

But lets see who else he picks, time will tell. But I suspect that if he continues picking people like that, he will still be given the famous 'pass'.

At what point is he going to act like the change he speaks of and pick someone that really is 'change'?

Not some old clinton Zionist or pro war Biden.

Commy

MrBrian wrote:

I have an Issue that his supporters think its fine, they dont even care or think its strange that one must be so pro israel to run for president in the first place.

btw Obama already won, he does not really have to put such pro israeli people in such powerful places. I mean Rahm is right at the top for his support for israel and his position in this new Obama admin.

But lets see who else he picks, time will tell. But I suspect that if he continues picking people like that, he will still be given the famous 'pass'.

At what point is he going to act like the change he speaks of and pick someone that really is 'change'?

Not some old clinton Zionist or pro war Biden.

it came down to a very simple statement for me.

small changes in policy can mean life or death for many people.

I'm not giving him a pass..I'm realistic. fundamental change comes from the people, not from the president.

MrBrian

Commy wrote:

it came down to a very simple statement for me.

small changes in policy can mean life or death for many people.

I'm not giving him a pass..I'm realistic. fundamental change comes from the people, not from the president.

You know I understand that, but the American people have a history of apathy. Look, Obama won on a bad economy. They say that if the economy was healthy McCain had a better chance because most people thought he was better on foreign policy than Obama, as voted the economy came first for voters. Which in essence means that Americans truly only get active when their money is at stake.

So based on that I dont think we can expect any fundamental change from the most American people and one must put trust in the people we vote in.

Commy

MrBrian wrote:

You know I understand that, but the American people have a history of apathy. Look, Obama won on a bad economy. They say that if the economy was healthy McCain had a better chance because most people thought he was better on foreign policy than Obama, as voted the economy came first for voters. Which in essence means that Americans truly only get active when their money is at stake.

So based on that I dont think we can expect any fundamental change from the most American people and one must put trust in the people we vote in.

good point. but when times get tough Americans will rise up, like when FDR was elected. history gives him the credit for saving the economy and all that bs, in reality it was the people demanding action, with city wide general strikes and massive public protest, forcing the gov't to react.

I don't hink we're too far away from that.

yahamita

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5781

you'll need to scroll down the page a bit to get to the article.

MrBrian

Commy wrote:

good point. but when times get tough Americans will rise up, like when FDR was elected. history gives him the credit for saving the economy and all that bs, in reality it was the people demanding action, with city wide general strikes and massive public protest, forcing the gov't to react.

I don't hink we're too far away from that.

Here is to 'hope' for a rise up. Let's see.

But keep in mind, the opposite may happen, they may also fall back down onto their faces. I mean once they see that their money is safe they may have no reason to rise up anymore. I think it has something to do with being lazy.

But Indeed america has many good people who I really hope will not allow their government to continue it's backwards policy towards the rest of the world. To hold It's government accountable and demand real change. Also take a hard look at Israel and see that they are not friends. 'cough' 'cough' false flag Mossad...ahem. sorry had to clear my throat.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Tombourine wrote:

My father was a teacher - does that make me one?

Depends. Did he come home and conduct his home life like a classroom textbook as well?

Freedom fighters never turn off so to speak. It becomes ingrained in their personal beliefs, handed down, and affects all that get to know them personally....not stuff like pronunciation or grammar, but how to hate people and harm them. Some fathers like to teach their sons about life if you know what I mean.

WindNoSail

_outlaw wrote:

Not to mention he volunteered to help the IDF is 1991:

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9939.shtml

During the United States election campaign, racists and pro-Israel hardliners tried to make an issue out of President-elect Barack Obama's middle name, Hussein. Such people might take comfort in another middle name, that of Obama's pick for White House Chief of Staff: Rahm Israel Emanuel.

here is what i think....blah (tounge sticking out)

just another conspiracy looking for something to be against rather than for....oh i am so tired of the blathering of the people

dignin

i agree, im done with a moving train for a while

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://news.muckety.com/2008/06/04/rahm-emanuel-does-a-mitzvah-for-obama/3192


"The go-between with the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee was Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a fellow Chicagoan and a onetime civilian volunteer to the Israeli army and son of a Jerusalem-born pediatrician.

Until today, Emanuel, a superdelegate, had remained uncommitted in the Democratic presidential contest because he is close with the Clintons after serving six years in Bill Clinton’s White House. “I’m hiding under the desk,” he had said as the only Democrat in Illinois’ congressional delegation who had not endorsed Obama.

But if Emanuel didn’t step into the breach until after Obama became the presumptive Democratic nominee, his advocacy with AIPAC leaders today helped mollify concerns that Obama may be too sympathetic to the Palestinian cause or too soft on Iran. Later, his office released a statement saying that he had also endorsed Obama.

Emanuel, the fourth-ranking Democrat in the House, is the son of Benjamin Emanuel, who worked with a Zionist paramilitary organization in Israel in the 1940s. The elder Emanuel emigrated to Chicago where he met his wife, Martha Smulevitz, an American Jew who worked as an X-ray technician.

Before his family moved to the lakeshore suburb of Wilmette, Rahm Emanuel attended Bernard Zell Anshe Emet Day School, a Jewish high school endowed by billionaire Sam Zell. Inheriting his father’s passion for Israel, Rahm Emanuel worked as a civilian volunteer in Israel in the 1991 Gulf War, rust-proofing brakes on an army base in northern Israel.

Beyond Emanuel’s private introduction to AIPAC’s executive board, Obama sounded all the important themes in his public remarks. He vowed to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and insisted Jerusalem will remain the undivided capital of the Jewish state.

“Let me be clear. Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable,” he said. “The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper . . . But any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel’s identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognized and defensible borders.”

Obama got several standing ovations, including sustained applause after observing, “We must not allow the relationship between Jews and African Americans to suffer. This is a bond that must be strengthened. Together, we can rededicate ourselves to end prejudice and combat hatred in all of its forms.”"

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Commy wrote:

it came down to a very simple statement for me.

small changes in policy can mean life or death for many people.

I'm not giving him a pass..I'm realistic. fundamental change comes from the people, not from the president.

i never thought you'd be the sensible one around here.

fuck

WindNoSail wrote:

here is what i think....blah (tounge sticking out)

just another conspiracy looking for something to be against rather than for....oh i am so tired of the blathering of the people

how is this a conspiracy? everything is based on facts.

Kann

jeffbr wrote:

Basically THE guy running the Whitehouse. He is the general manager. He controls personel and staff, he controls the President's schedule. He controls access to the President. Every request tends to go through him.

Depending on the Chief of Staff he can be a very, very powerful man in Washington. Some say only the President is more powerful.

Thanks for the answer.
And I agree, that's a really shitty choice wich definitely sends out the wrong message. However the thread title is a little childish. Rahm Emanuel is the chief of staff, not his father, who cares what he was?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Freedom fighters never turn off so to speak. It becomes ingrained in their personal beliefs, handed down, and affects all that get to know them personally....not stuff like pronunciation or grammar, but how to hate people and harm them. Some fathers like to teach their sons about life if you know what I mean.

Do you know and/or spend time with freedom fighters? Because that was either a very wild guess or an educated indepth profile.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Kann wrote:

Do you know and/or spend time with freedom fighters? Because that was either a very wild guess or an educated indepth profile.

Yes I do, and it's a pretty common realization if you hang around any armchair activist.

ingrained core beliefs....parents pass them on to their children whether they want to or not.

EP1973

It amuses me to find so many folks freak out over Emanuel...from 93-98 he was an advisor to Clinton..and has been in the House of Reps since 02. Smart move for Obama if ya ask me. After all, when Cheney asserted that he as Vice President didn't fall under the Executive branch of government, it was Emanuel who moved to cut Cheney's Vice Presedential office funding (almost 5 million) from appropriations set aside to fund the Executive Branch of governemnt. You may not like him or his name, but Rahm Emanuel has the balls to stand up to anyone.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

EP1973 wrote:

It amuses me to find so many folks freak out over Emanuel...from 93-98 he was an advisor to Clinton..and has been in the House of Reps since 02. Smart move for Obama if ya ask me. After all, when Cheney asserted that he as Vice President didn't fall under the Executive branch of government, it was Emanuel who moved to cut Cheney's Vice Presedential office funding (almost 5 million) from appropriations set aside to fund the Executive Branch of governemnt. You may not like him or his name, but Rahm Emanuel has the balls to stand up to anyone.

Everything that has happened thus far has led us up to this point.

Repeating actions of the past is considered what exactly? Change? I don't think it would be a stretch to refer to Rahm as a pro Israel hardliner.

interesting points made here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkm-RJx_OHg

NYbenben

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Haha, fucking hell. You guys say Obama is anti-Israel, now you accuse his Chief of Staff of pro-Israeli terrorist ties. Make up your minds before you start spouting this shit. Oh big deal, Emanuel's dad did some stuff 60 years ago. Is half of Ireland a terrorist because they knew or are related to someone who was related to a member of a paramilitary organisation?

I love this guilt by association thing. You guys are insane.

Finally, a voice of reason!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

How can anyone say Obama is Anti Israel?!?

for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m96chUuvoe0