Rahm Emanuel's father was a terrorist, and apparently this is no problem?

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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    fugawzi wrote:
    John McCain? Rick Davis? Is that you?
    Pathetic.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    oh I'm so scared I'm going to sit in the corner and hold my pee pee
    you would if it were a Palestinian figure.
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    and we're off to a wonderful start already..

    more zionists with heavy influence in our government.

    change, baby! change!
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Not really, the actions of his father 60 years ago should have no bearing on what he does now. He may be pro-Israel because of it but to imply he has terrorist sympathies is daft.
    From the article you clearly did not read:

    "Emanuel continued his father's tradition of active support for Israel; during the 1991 Gulf War he volunteered to help maintain Israeli army vehicles near the Lebanon border when southern Lebanon was still occupied by Israeli forces."

    "One of the most influential politicians and fundraisers in his party, Emanuel accompanied Obama to a meeting of AIPAC's executive board just after the Illinois senator had addressed the pro-Israel lobby's conference last June.

    In Congress, Emanuel has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner, sometimes more so than President Bush. In June 2003, for example, he signed a letter criticizing Bush for being insufficiently supportive of Israel. "We were deeply dismayed to hear your criticism of Israel for fighting acts of terror," Emanuel, along with 33 other Democrats wrote to Bush. The letter said that Israel's policy of assassinating Palestinian political leaders "was clearly justified as an application of Israel's right to self-defense" ("Pelosi supports Israel's attacks on Hamas group," San Francisco Chronicle, 14 June 2003)."
    Emanuel isn't a terrorist, his father was.
    Do you advocate the refusal of positions of power to the children of any people who have done something you disagree with?
    You clearly missed the entire point of this topic, so let me break it down as obviously as possible:
    1) The point of me saying "and apparently this is no problem" is because if it were a Palestinian, it WOULD be a problem. Obama's POSSIBLE connection to Rashid Khalidi, who was only irrationally accused of being a PLO spokesman, sparked outrage.
    2) The fact that we're getting an even worse Pro-Israeli spokesman is horrible.
    3) Just look at the above quotes.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    Prescott Bush broke US law by providing funding to the Nazi Party even after the Trading with the Enemies Act was passed. Does that mean that we should have help Bush Sr and Bush Jr responsible for Prescott's actions.
    That depends, did Bush Sr/Jr go volunteer and work for the Nazi military? Did Bush Sr/Jr justify political assassinations that Nazis committed? Did Bush Sr/Jr think that the Nazis shouldn't receive criticism for fighting "acts of terror"?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    The point of me saying "and apparently this is no problem" is because if it were a Palestinian, it WOULD be a problem. Obama's POSSIBLE connection to Rashid Khalidi, who was only irrationally accused of being a PLO spokesman, sparked outrage.

    Actually this only sparked outrage amongst McCain supporters, so you guys should be fucking thrilled that he picked Emmanuel.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    That depends, did Bush Sr/Jr go volunteer and work for the Nazi military? Did Bush Sr/Jr justify political assassinations that Nazis committed? Did Bush Sr/Jr think that the Nazis shouldn't receive criticism for fighting "acts of terror"?

    No but both Bushes did harbor and provide safe haven, here in the US, for Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carilles who are well known terrorists. You guys didn't seem to bothered by that. The Bush Jr administration even provided support for MEK (The People's Mujehadeen of Iran) an organization that is on the State's Department list of terrorist organizations. Where was all the outrage by the Republicans, conservatives and other various Bush supporters when this was going on. I didn't see you starting to many threads about these associations.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    Actually this only sparked outrage amongst McCain supporters, so you guys should be fucking thrilled that he picked Emmanuel.
    Actually, No. Many people were angry to hear he may have been associated with Rashid Khalidi.

    why should I be thrilled?
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    No but both Bushes did harbor and provide safe haven, here in the US, for Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carilles who are well known terrorists.
    ok, how is this relevant?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    Actually, No. Many people were angry to hear he may have been associated with Rashid Khalidi.

    why should I be thrilled?

    Actually no most people where not angry about this. The right was up in arms about this while the left largely ignored the story.

    Also isn't the right die hard Israel supporters? Wasn't one of the critisisms leveled against Obama, by that foreign policy guru Joe the Plumber, that an Obama victory would spell the end of Israel. You guys should be fucking relieved now that he has picked someone with strong Israeli ties to such a high ranking position.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    ok, how is this relevant?

    It is relevant because the Republican party is just as guilty of shaddy associations as the Democrats but in your shear hyper-partisan blindness you ignore the facts because it doesn't fir into you Democrats are the bad one's philosophy. While Bush was in office ever Republican ignored the fact that he gave haven to Posada Carilles and that his administration supported a terrorist organization, but now you will all be the first one's up in arms about Rahm Emmanuel forgetting how fucked up your own party and it's members have been.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    Actually no most people where not angry about this. The right was up in arms about this while the left largely ignored the story.
    Apparently the entire country is made up of a "right" and a "left".

    Good logic.
    Also isn't the right die hard Israel supporters? Wasn't one of the critisisms leveled against Obama, by that foreign policy guru Joe the Plumber, that an Obama victory would spell the end of Israel. You guys should be fucking relieved now that he has picked someone with strong Israeli ties to such a high ranking position.
    What is this 'you guys'? Am I a right wing all of a sudden because I'm criticizing Obama? I'm against supporting an occupation and oppression and clearly Obama will only make things worse over there.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    It is relevant because the Republican party is just as guilty of shaddy associations as the Democrats but in your shear hyper-partisan blindness you ignore the facts because it doesn't fir into you Democrats are the bad one's philosophy. While Bush was in office ever Republican ignored the fact that he gave haven to Posada Carilles and that his administration supported a terrorist organization, but now you will all be the first one's up in arms about Rahm Emmanuel forgetting how fucked up your own party and it's members have been.
    what the fuck are you talking about?

    how am I a republican? where did I ever say Republicans are better?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    Apparently the entire country is made up of a "right" and a "left".

    Good logic.


    What is this 'you guys'? Am I a right wing all of a sudden because I'm criticizing Obama? I'm against supporting an occupation and oppression and clearly Obama will only make things worse over there.

    No you are not right wing because you criticize Obama but I haven't heard much criticism coming from you about the same things when they occured under the Bush administration.

    And for the most part the country is left and right because they are too fucking stupid or lazy to think for themselves.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    I haven't heard much criticism coming from you about the same things when they occured under the Bush administration.
    Are you kidding me?
  • Outlaw...

    You need to live in the real world. Israel not Palestine is our staunch Ally. I don't necessarily like it but the fact is Palestine will have to reach out for peace for the US to get involved.

    Nothing will ever change that no matter who is president. The change Obama is promising is more on homeland issues then foreign policy anyways. Which is what I agree with because we need to take care of ourselves right now.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Tombourine wrote:
    My father was a teacher - does that make me one?

    :D......
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Outlaw...

    You need to live in the real world. Israel not Palestine is our staunch Ally. I don't necessarily like it but the fact is Palestine will have to reach out for peace for the US to get involved.

    Nothing will ever change that no matter who is president.
    Oh, I agree. But the point is that things WILL change... for the WORSE.

    when you have a guy who does things like the following as your chief of staff, how is that change? We can't fix our domestic affairs if we don't get our foreign affairs in order:

    "In Congress, Emanuel has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner, sometimes more so than President Bush. In June 2003, for example, he signed a letter criticizing Bush for being insufficiently supportive of Israel. "We were deeply dismayed to hear your criticism of Israel for fighting acts of terror," Emanuel, along with 33 other Democrats wrote to Bush. The letter said that Israel's policy of assassinating Palestinian political leaders "was clearly justified as an application of Israel's right to self-defense" ("Pelosi supports Israel's attacks on Hamas group," San Francisco Chronicle, 14 June 2003).

    In July 2006, Emanuel was one of several members who called for the cancellation of a speech to Congress by visiting Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki because al-Maliki had criticized Israel's bombing of Lebanon. Emanuel called the Lebanese and Palestinian governments "totalitarian entities with militias and terrorists acting as democracies" in a 19 July 2006 speech supporting a House resolution backing Israel's bombing of both countries that caused thousands of civilian victims."
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    Are you kidding me?

    I'm sorry dude I had you mixed up with unsung. My bad.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • _outlaw wrote:
    Not to mention he volunteered to help the IDF is 1991:

    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9939.shtml

    During the United States election campaign, racists and pro-Israel hardliners tried to make an issue out of President-elect Barack Obama's middle name, Hussein. Such people might take comfort in another middle name, that of Obama's pick for White House Chief of Staff: Rahm Israel Emanuel.

    Emanuel is Obama's first high-level appointment and it's one likely to disappointment those who hoped the president-elect would break with the George W. Bush Administration's pro-Israel policies. White House Chief of Staff is often considered the most powerful office in the executive branch, next to the president. Obama has offered Emanuel the position according to Democratic party sources cited by media including Reuters and The New York Times. While Emanuel is expected to accept the post, that had not been confirmed by Wednesday evening the day after the election.

    Rahm Emanuel was born in Chicago, Illinois in 1959, the son of Benjamin Emanuel, a pediatrician who helped smuggle weapons to the Irgun, the Zionist militia of former Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, in the 1940s. The Irgun carried out numerous terrorist attacks on Palestinian civilians including the bombing of Jerusalem's King David Hotel in 1946.

    Emanuel continued his father's tradition of active support for Israel; during the 1991 Gulf War he volunteered to help maintain Israeli army vehicles near the Lebanon border when southern Lebanon was still occupied by Israeli forces.

    As White House political director in the first Clinton administration, Emanuel orchestrated the famous 1993 signing ceremony of the "Declaration of Principles" between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin. Emanuel was elected to Congress representing a north Chicago district in 2002 and he is credited with a key role in delivering a Democratic majority in the 2006 mid-term elections. He has been a prominent supporter of neoliberal economic policies on free trade and welfare reform.

    One of the most influential politicians and fundraisers in his party, Emanuel accompanied Obama to a meeting of AIPAC's executive board just after the Illinois senator had addressed the pro-Israel lobby's conference last June.

    In Congress, Emanuel has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner, sometimes more so than President Bush. In June 2003, for example, he signed a letter criticizing Bush for being insufficiently supportive of Israel. "We were deeply dismayed to hear your criticism of Israel for fighting acts of terror," Emanuel, along with 33 other Democrats wrote to Bush. The letter said that Israel's policy of assassinating Palestinian political leaders "was clearly justified as an application of Israel's right to self-defense" ("Pelosi supports Israel's attacks on Hamas group," San Francisco Chronicle, 14 June 2003).

    In July 2006, Emanuel was one of several members who called for the cancellation of a speech to Congress by visiting Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki because al-Maliki had criticized Israel's bombing of Lebanon. Emanuel called the Lebanese and Palestinian governments "totalitarian entities with militias and terrorists acting as democracies" in a 19 July 2006 speech supporting a House resolution backing Israel's bombing of both countries that caused thousands of civilian victims.

    Emanuel has sometimes posed as a defender of Palestinian lives, though never from the constant Israeli violence that is responsible for the vast majority of deaths and injuries. On 14 June 2007 he wrote to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "on behalf of students in the Gaza Strip whose future is threatened by the ongoing fighting there" which he blamed on "the violence and militancy of their elders." In fact, the fighting between members of Hamas and Fatah, which claimed dozens of lives, was the result of a failed scheme by US-backed militias to violently overthrow the elected Hamas-led national unity government. Emanuel's letter urged Rice "to work with allies in the region, such as Egypt and Jordan, to either find a secure location in Gaza for these students, or to transport them to a neighboring country where they can study and take their exams in peace." Palestinians often view such proposals as a pretext to permanently "transfer" them from their country, as many Israeli leaders have threatened. Emanuel has never said anything in support of millions of Palestinian children whose education has been disrupted by Israeli occupation, closures and blockades.

    Emanuel has also used his position to explicitly push Israel's interests in normalizing relations with Arab states and isolating Hamas. In 2006 he initiated a letter to President Bush opposing United Arab Emirates (UAE)-based Dubai Ports World's attempt to buy the management business of six US seaports. The letter, signed by dozens of other lawmakers, stated that "The UAE has pledged to provide financial support to the Hamas-led government of the Palestinian Authority and openly participates in the Arab League boycott against Israel." It argued that allowing the deal to go through "not only could place the safety and security of US ports at risk, but enhance the ability of the UAE to bolster the Hamas regime and its efforts to promote terrorism and violence against Israel" ("Dems Tie Israel, Ports," Forward, 10 March 2006).

    Ira Forman, executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, told Fox News that picking Emanuel is "just another indication that despite the attempts to imply that Obama would somehow appoint the wrong person or listen to the wrong people when it comes to the US-Israel relationship ... that was never true."

    Over the course of the campaign, Obama publicly distanced himself from friends and advisers suspected or accused of having "pro-Palestinian" sympathies. There are no early indications of a more balanced course.

    Co-founder of The Electronic Intifada, Ali Abunimah is author of One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli- Palestinian Impasse (Metropolitan Books, 2006).


    Sweet. I like the choice.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    PJAMEDVED wrote:
    Sweet. I like the choice.
    Terrorism, Occupation, and Oppression? Cool!
  • _outlaw wrote:
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9933.shtml

    GENEVA (IPS) - With the 2008 presidential campaign at its end, pundits have begun to discuss in earnest what expected winner Barack Obama's administration might look like. An important piece of evidence is Obama's campaign team, which largely escaped the harsh scrutiny that his opponent's lobbyist-laden team received.

    Because of Obama's relative inexperience on foreign policy, it is this part of his team that is getting much of the attention, and one adviser in particular -- Dennis Ross, Bill Clinton's Middle East envoy whose record includes supporting the pro-Iraq War advocacy campaigns of the Project for the New American Century and serving as a consultant to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a bastion of Israel-centric policy thinking in Washington.

    Generally regarded as a political moderate who has the ear and respect of both Republicans and Democrats, Ross, a former Soviet specialist, reportedly has told friends and foreign officials that he hopes to nab a very senior post in an Obama administration, one that at least covers Iran policy, if not the entire Greater Middle East.

    But Ross's record as a Middle East peacemaker during the Clinton years, longtime association with hawkish political factions, and track record promoting a hard line vis-a-vis Israel's Arab neighbors have spurred concern that he would be a less-than-ideal pick for a Middle East portfolio in an Obama administration, which many presume he will be offered.

    As one Clinton official, asked about Ross's role in the Obama campaign, told Time magazine earlier this year, "If Obama wants to embody something new that can actually succeed, it's not just a break from [George W. Bush] that he's going to need, but a break from Clinton."

    Despite some successes as Clinton's envoy crafting agreements between Israel and its neighbors, Ross's efforts to negotiate an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict were a failure. In his writings, Ross has emphasized Palestinian intransigence -- in particular, Yasser Arafat's -- as being the cause for the failure, although he doesn't exempt Israel from blame.

    Other participants in those negotiations have pointed their finger at Ross. In their book Negotiating Arab-Israeli Peace, Daniel Kurtzer, who is also an Obama adviser, and Scott Lasensky cite a number of anonymous officials who were critical of Ross.

    Said one Arab negotiator, "The perception always was that Dennis [Ross] started from the Israeli bottom line, that he listened to what Israel wanted and then tried to sell it to the Arabs ... He was never looked at ... as a trusted world figure or as an honest broker."

    Likewise, a former Clinton administration representative told the authors, "By the end, the Palestinians didn't fully trust Dennis ... [T]hey thought he was tilted too much towards the Israelis."

    Ross got his start in high-level policy-making working under Paul Wolfowitz in the Pentagon during the Carter administration. Wolfowitz -- who is better known for his role pushing the Iraq War after the 11 September attacks and for his controversial tenure as World Bank head -- tasked Ross with helping draft a study assessing threats to US interests in the Persian Gulf. The 1979 study, titled the "Limited Contingency Study," concluded that aside from the Soviet Union, a key threat to the region's oil fields was Iraq.

    In his 2004 book Rise of the Vulcans, James Mann writes that this study, the Pentagon's "first extensive examination of the need for the United States to defend the Persian Gulf," would go on to "play a groundbreaking role in changing American military policy toward the Persian Gulf over the coming decades."

    When Wolfowitz was tapped to head the State Department's Policy Planning Staff after the election of Ronald Reagan, he included Ross in his team of assistants, which, according to Mann, would go on to become, over the next two decades, "the heart of a new neoconservative network within the foreign policy bureaucracy."

    Other Wolfowitz team members from that time included I. Lewis Libby, a Washington lawyer who later became notorious as the disgraced former chief aide to Vice President Dick Cheney; James Roche, President George W. Bush's Air Force Secretary who resigned after being implicated in the Boeing tanker leasing scandal; Zalmay Khalilzad, US Ambassador to the UN and post-invasion ambassador to Iraq; Alan Keyes, the perennial Republican presidential candidate; and Francis Fukuyama, the "end of history" theorist and erstwhile neoconservative ally who turned against the faction after the Iraq invasion.

    Ross's close association with neoconservatives has deepened over the years, becoming especially pronounced in the wake of the 11 September attacks. He supported the invasion of Iraq and, during the run-up to the 2008 presidential elections, repeatedly teamed up with writers from groups like the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) to craft hard-line policies toward Iran.

    Ross served as the co-convener of WINEP's Presidential Task Force on the Future of US-Israel Relations, which issued the June 2008 report "Strengthening the Partnership: How to Deepen US-Israel Cooperation on the Iranian Nuclear Challenge." The report was signed by a number of former Democratic and Republican policy-makers, as well as by several neoconservatives, including former CIA director James Woolsey and Vin Weber, a former Republican congressman who co-founded the rightist pressure group Empower America.

    Interestingly, several other advisers to the Obama campaign added their names to the document -- Anthony Lake, Susan Rice, and Richard Clarke.

    Ross also helped produce the 2008 report "Meeting the Challenge: US Policy Toward Iranian Nuclear Development," which was published by a study group convened by the Bipartisan Policy Centre, a group led by several former legislators.

    The lead drafter of the report was AEI's Michael Rubin, an outspoken proponent of US military intervention in the Middle East. Other participants included hawkish arms control analyst Henry Sokolski; Michael Makovsky, a former aide to Douglas Feith; Stephen Rademaker, who worked under former UN Ambassador John Bolton in the State Department; and the neoconservative Hudson Institute director, Kenneth Weinstein.

    The report argues that despite Iran's assurances to the contrary, its nuclear program aims to develop nuclear weapons and is thus a threat to "US and global security, regional stability, and the international nonproliferation regime," a conclusion that stands in contrast to the CIA's November 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, which found that Iran had ceased its nuclear weapons program.

    Like the WINEP study, the report argues that "Cold War deterrence" is not persuasive in the context of Iran's program, due in large measure to the "Islamic Republic's extremist ideology." Even a peaceful indigenous uranium enrichment program would place the entire Middle East region "under a cloud of ambiguity given uncertain Iranian capacities and intentions."

    Among the report's proposals are undertaking a major military build-up in the Gulf; pressuring Russia to halt weapons assistance; and, if the US agrees to hold direct talks with Tehran without insisting that the country first cease enrichment activities, setting a pre-determined compliance deadline and be prepared to apply increasingly harsh repercussions if these are not met, leading ultimately to US military strikes.

    Calling the report a "roadmap to war," Inter Press Service's Jim Lobe writes, "In other words, if Tehran is not eventually prepared to permanently abandon its enrichment of uranium on its own soil -- a position that is certain to be rejected by Iran ab initio -- war becomes inevitable, and all intermediate steps, even including direct talks if the new president chooses to pursue them, will amount to going through the motions ... What is a top Obama adviser [Dennis Ross] doing signing on to it?"

    Michael Flynn is the founder of the Global Detention Project at the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland. All rights reserved, IPS - Inter Press Service (2008). Total or partial publication, retransmission or sale forbidden.


    I was at Grant Park yesterday. I've had a horrible weekend in which people that were close to me passed away. When I heard Obama's speech, I have to admit, it actually gave me some hope. I was thinking that maybe something might get done. I've known about Dennis Ross advising Obama for a while and it bothered me, but after seeing him appointing Rahm Emanuel, I really think this administration will not do much different, and I have to say it saddens me, though it does not surprise me.


    Is this supposed to be a negative post. Everything I have read is awesome, Obama is on pace to be the greatest American president in history. Thanks for posting these, you rock, and so does my man OBAMA!
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    PJAMEDVED wrote:
    Is this supposed to be a negative post. Everything I have read is awesome, Obama is on pace to be the greatest American president in history. Thanks for posting these, you rock, and so does my man OBAMA!
    Let's play a game.

    "What's wrong with this picture?"

    http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/truth/img/israeli-soldiers.jpg
  • Surf RiderSurf Rider Posts: 813
    edited March 2009
    _outlaw wrote:
    Let's play a game.

    "What's wrong with this picture?"

    http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/truth/img/israeli-soldiers.jpg

    I would rather play a different game.


    It's called "blow your fear tactics out your ass".
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  • _outlaw wrote:
    Let's play a game.

    "What's wrong with this picture?"

    http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/truth/img/israeli-soldiers.jpg

    It's been a while since someone posted pictures of dead people on here... Way to go.
    My whole life
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    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    It's been a while since someone posted pictures of dead people on here... Way to go.
    Ignorance is bliss.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Rahm is Jewish...

    why am I not surprised that the would support Israel...?
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    Rahm is Jewish...

    why am I not surprised that the would support Israel...?
    lol

    is this the best people can come up with?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    lol

    is this the best people can come up with?

    I don't understand your point...
  • Surf RiderSurf Rider Posts: 813
    edited March 2009
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