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You cannot blame this on the 'media'. The American people didn't need any media to tell them to protest when the army drafted their sons to fight and die in Viet Nam. Without the draft... Americans think the only thing they need to do is slap a magnet on the back of their car. We are placing our soldiers through a meat grinder of deployments and re-deployments and re-deployments and when they come home all fucked up... we say, "Fuck you.. suck it up and get back to work... or just get away from me."
No one except the soldiers and their families are bearing the brunt of this war. Hell.. we aren't even paying for this war... our kids and their kids will be... how is that being responsible? For every War funding bill... $140 Billion dollars... our taxes should be increased to cover it. WE should at least... take on some of the financial pains if we are to expect our uniformed military people to take on the physical and emotional pains.
It's easy for anyone to support the war... by doing nothing. How about paying your fair share for the $1 trillion and counting that we've racked up since 2003. See how much 'support' this war gets after that.
Yes they did, the news brought home the progress of the war even during that time. I might be wrong, the Draft was active on and off since the end of WW2, before the Vietnam started.
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Government Agents took your sign away. You saw them do this?
Yes right here in DC, they did that to my license's plate and my friends by writing down our plates. They also did this in NYC for the RNC convention in '04 by NYPD. I was there for both of these marches.
Here's a some info about it from Democracy Now...
NYPD Forced to Release RNC Spy Files
A federal judge has ordered the New York City police to release about 600 pages of internal documents that detail the department’s wide-ranging surveillance of activists ahead of the 2004 Republican National Convention. The judge ordered the first batch of documents to be made public following a lawsuit by the New York Civil Liberties Union and the New York Times. Donna Lieberman of the NYCLU: “What’s shocking is the breadth of the surveillance activity. They were in lots of different cities across the nation and internationally. We have in here of people doing grafitti in Germany in Croatia,. We have reports from Berkeley, from Baltimore, from Syracuse, from Fresno. The police department was all over the country, all over the globe.” The city is still fighting to keep secret other documents related to the convention including the raw intelligence collected by the police department. According to the New York Times these unfiltered reports include more detailed information about the groups and individuals that were watched and in some cases disclose how the undercover officers conducted the surveillance.
It's all about trying to intimidate and scare those who DARE to stand up and protest anything.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Yes right here in DC, they did that to my license's plate and my friends by writing down our plates. They also did this in NYC for the RNC convention in '04 by NYPD. I was there for both of these marches.
It's all about trying to intimidate and scare those who DARE to stand up and protest anything.
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Sorry man, you're in public, you have no right of privacy. If I wanted to write down every plate, year, make and model of a car or truck that passes by my house, I can. They record that information incase something where to happen, they can narrow down people to investigate. I see nothing wrong with them doing that, and that’s not intimidation. That’s no different than surveillance cameras in a public setting.
How is anyone going to take people seriously about their position when they choose the destroy public and Privet property at the RNC or act like fucking savage animals to get their point across? I know some of you here think that’s the way to express your opinion, but to tell you the truth, its hypocritical. Its intimidation when a crowd destroys stuff and all most riots because of a police presence. They are no different then the government that intimidates them.
It drives me crazy, its a paranoid hysteria but on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Lets get a grip and meet in the middle of this. Nothing is black and white, right or left. The world is not that simple.....
I've been posting a lot more here due to the fact that people seem to be loosing their minds recently over this election, over another "4 years of Bush" or "Obama is a terrorist" bullshit.
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The Patriot Act to me was signed in a month after 9/II to keep people in line, to intimidate and starting a steady slope of losing our rights like Habeas Corpus. Until it hits you and your family or friends you'll never truly understand what it's all about and what it was intended to do.
I'm glad you feel quite comfortable about The Patriot Act many others in this land don't.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Yes they did, the news brought home the progress of the war even during that time. I might be wrong, the Draft was active on and off since the end of WW2, before the Vietnam started.
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Okay... so does this mean reporting on the events in Viet Nam where our military forces are involved and being killed is a bad thing? If they weren't reporting what was going on over there... then, the American people would have been okay with the war? Are we better off just getting reports from our military... from our government? And if there was only the military and Government reporting on the events... then, everything in Iraq would be as rosey as they tell us it is? Isn't that how it works in places like Iran and North Korea? I'm not sure where you are going with this.
As for the Draft... what about it? I only remember Viet Nam... WWII and Korea was before my time. I remember my brother's friends getting that notice and being worried sick they would come for him. We weren't rich enough to dodge the draft by paying a college tuition. And it turns out... some of his friends did not make it back and many of them came home all fucked up.
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Bottom line... the media does NOT send people to war (except for the Spanish/American War). The Government, specifically Congress has that power... unless they surrender that power to the President.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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Okay... so does this mean reporting on the events in Viet Nam where our military forces are involved and being killed is a bad thing? If they weren't reporting what was going on over there... then, the American people would have been okay with the war? Are we better off just getting reports from our military... from our government? And if there was only the military and Government reporting on the events... then, everything in Iraq would be as rosey as they tell us it is? Isn't that how it works in places like Iran and North Korea? I'm not sure where you are going with this.
As for the Draft... what about it? I only remember Viet Nam... WWII and Korea was before my time. I remember my brother's friends getting that notice and being worried sick they would come for him. We weren't rich enough to dodge the draft by paying a college tuition. And it turns out... some of his friends did not make it back and many of them came home all fucked up.
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Bottom line... the media does NOT send people to war (except for the Spanish/American War). The Government, specifically Congress has that power... unless they surrender that power to the President.
The media has a great deal of influence on the mass population. The coverage during that time was brought to the home for the first time on evening news, only before that was radio. I truly don't know if the media was bias or not at the time, I wasn't alive to see it.
My point is, the media has a great deal of influence over the US and World populations as to which side they want you to take. If we had the same media coverage of today back in the beginning part of WW2, America would be sickened by our progress to liberate Europe and the Pacific. I'm not saying that censored news is the way to go to pacify people, but report the truth.
If 4000+ people died in Iraq, report that. Report the horrible things, but they also need to see all of the good things we have done as well. We need the truth in the media. They tell you what they want you to hear. This is not crack pot conspiracy theorist ideology, but anyone that has been apart of something that’s made the news or know someone who has, knows the media doesn't report the whole thing.
For example, I answered a question from a woman who worked for a Phoenix AZ news paper. She asked me as I enter a book store what I thought of Bill Clinton's new book. So I told her word for word "I don't have an opinion on Bill Clinton, I was too young to gain any kind of opinion on his presidency". She then asked me what I did for a living and told me she might quote it in the paper, which I was fine with that. So next Sunday I open the paper and there it is: "David (last name), a member of the US Air Force, "doesn't care" about what his former Commander and Chief has to say".
What the fuck, I never hinted towards any kind of bad comment towards Bill Clinton, nor was I even in the Military during his presidency. If my bosses read that shit at the time, I would have got into a lot of trouble for by passing public affairs. It wouldn't have cared if they quoted me word for word.
So my point being, if you're going to report innocent people that where killed in combat, you need to report the other good things that happen.
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Yes they did, the news brought home the progress of the war even during that time. I might be wrong, the Draft was active on and off since the end of WW2, before the Vietnam started.
Yes right here in DC, they did that to my license's plate and my friends by writing down our plates. They also did this in NYC for the RNC convention in '04 by NYPD. I was there for both of these marches.
Here's a some info about it from Democracy Now...
Full story here...watch/listen/read...NYPD Spy Tactics Exposed: Democracy Now! Airs Exclusive Police Surveillance Footage Recorded From Blimps, Helicopters and “Lipstick Cams” During Republican National Convention
It's all about trying to intimidate and scare those who DARE to stand up and protest anything.
Peace
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Sorry man, you're in public, you have no right of privacy. If I wanted to write down every plate, year, make and model of a car or truck that passes by my house, I can. They record that information incase something where to happen, they can narrow down people to investigate. I see nothing wrong with them doing that, and that’s not intimidation. That’s no different than surveillance cameras in a public setting.
How is anyone going to take people seriously about their position when they choose the destroy public and Privet property at the RNC or act like fucking savage animals to get their point across? I know some of you here think that’s the way to express your opinion, but to tell you the truth, its hypocritical. Its intimidation when a crowd destroys stuff and all most riots because of a police presence. They are no different then the government that intimidates them.
It drives me crazy, its a paranoid hysteria but on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Lets get a grip and meet in the middle of this. Nothing is black and white, right or left. The world is not that simple.....
I've been posting a lot more here due to the fact that people seem to be loosing their minds recently over this election, over another "4 years of Bush" or "Obama is a terrorist" bullshit.
I'm glad you feel quite comfortable about The Patriot Act many others in this land don't.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Okay... so does this mean reporting on the events in Viet Nam where our military forces are involved and being killed is a bad thing? If they weren't reporting what was going on over there... then, the American people would have been okay with the war? Are we better off just getting reports from our military... from our government? And if there was only the military and Government reporting on the events... then, everything in Iraq would be as rosey as they tell us it is? Isn't that how it works in places like Iran and North Korea? I'm not sure where you are going with this.
As for the Draft... what about it? I only remember Viet Nam... WWII and Korea was before my time. I remember my brother's friends getting that notice and being worried sick they would come for him. We weren't rich enough to dodge the draft by paying a college tuition. And it turns out... some of his friends did not make it back and many of them came home all fucked up.
...
Bottom line... the media does NOT send people to war (except for the Spanish/American War). The Government, specifically Congress has that power... unless they surrender that power to the President.
Hail, Hail!!!
The media has a great deal of influence on the mass population. The coverage during that time was brought to the home for the first time on evening news, only before that was radio. I truly don't know if the media was bias or not at the time, I wasn't alive to see it.
My point is, the media has a great deal of influence over the US and World populations as to which side they want you to take. If we had the same media coverage of today back in the beginning part of WW2, America would be sickened by our progress to liberate Europe and the Pacific. I'm not saying that censored news is the way to go to pacify people, but report the truth.
If 4000+ people died in Iraq, report that. Report the horrible things, but they also need to see all of the good things we have done as well. We need the truth in the media. They tell you what they want you to hear. This is not crack pot conspiracy theorist ideology, but anyone that has been apart of something that’s made the news or know someone who has, knows the media doesn't report the whole thing.
For example, I answered a question from a woman who worked for a Phoenix AZ news paper. She asked me as I enter a book store what I thought of Bill Clinton's new book. So I told her word for word "I don't have an opinion on Bill Clinton, I was too young to gain any kind of opinion on his presidency". She then asked me what I did for a living and told me she might quote it in the paper, which I was fine with that. So next Sunday I open the paper and there it is: "David (last name), a member of the US Air Force, "doesn't care" about what his former Commander and Chief has to say".
What the fuck, I never hinted towards any kind of bad comment towards Bill Clinton, nor was I even in the Military during his presidency. If my bosses read that shit at the time, I would have got into a lot of trouble for by passing public affairs. It wouldn't have cared if they quoted me word for word.
So my point being, if you're going to report innocent people that where killed in combat, you need to report the other good things that happen.
"The whole truth, and nothing but the truth"
Sorry, I had to use it.