When the draft comes...
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The only difference being of course that this guy made the choice to sign up for the army, compared to people who are drafted who don't really have a choice. I think if you sign up for miltary service the responsibility should be yours to consider that you may be ordered to go to a war that you do not agree with. If you can't handle that idea you shouldn't sign up.
No..... its the draft the sent all the soldiers over to war, who got injured and are now opposed to the war, Eddies buddy included.
Oh wait, thats right they all signed up themselves.
then maybe you shouldnt title your threads with such stupidity. whats to comment on the article? nothing really
what is there to talk about?
dude signs up for military, signing his life away to the US gov't
dude gets called to go to Iraq
dude flees to Canada
US calls on Canada to deport dude
Since conscription wasn't involved, Canada probably should deport him because it is in their best interest to keep a good relationship with US
"Although the parliament in Ottawa passed a non-binding motion in June allowing US deserters to remain, the government has ignored the vote."
it's especially great to see people dismiss soldiers' pleas to end the war. "just because they got hurt doesn't mean shit, they signed up for that." give me a fucking break.
if you don't see anything to comment on in the article, and I know this may come as a shock to you, DON'T REPLY TO THE THREAD.
After last wars implementing a draft would just straight up PISS people OFF.
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well... I guess I don't know dick about Canadian politics so I can't comment. What is the big deal though? A liberal parliament not agreeing with the conservative gov't isn't earth shattering in my view.
I'm not dismissing their pleas, in fact soldiers' pleas are especially meaningful, and I CERTAINLY do think it is horrific when a soldier is killed or wounded for an unjust cause. But then again, they did sign up for it and I see no reason for soldiers to be able to pick and choose their battles.
You either are willing to give your life to this country or you aren't, and you NEVER question the commander in chief or higher ranks. You will do as told and you love the good ol' USA more than yourself. These are the first things you are told, even before you actually join the military. I have no idea how people can be told these things and then turn around and run to Canada.
Personally, I don't know why anyone would join the US military to begin with. There are much better ways to pay for college, most of which don't require you to risk your fucking life.
It was a non binding resolution by the opposition parties. Doesn't the US Congress pass those pretty much all the time?
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That is sort of what I think about these cases. It should be pretty obvious that if you sign up for the military there is a possibility that you may get sent to war. There is also a possibility that you might not agree with the policy behind the war. It seems like some of these people sign up and happily accept all the benefits of military service, but then when it comes time to go to war that is when they bail on their commitment. If you can't handle dealing with that you shouldn't sign up. And you are exactly right no army would ever work if the people in it got to pick and choose which orders they followed.
On top of that I am pretty sure that Canada sets a limit on how many refugees can be accepted each year. It would be painfully ironic if a family from Iraq who needed to get out was denied a refugee claim because some soldier who signed up for the military by choice was given their spot. Plus if we start letting people be refugees to get out of their commitments, what is next, someone runs up a huge credit card bill in the US and then comes to Canada and claims refugee sot they don't have to pay it?
However, this was about 7-8 years ago when the National Guard was primarily used for natural disasters... You know, hurricanes, tornados and shit..
The recruiters actually told us it was unprecedented that the Guard would be used in overseas battle... That the only time we would be involved would be for domestic issues.. like riots...
Iran wouldnt stand a chance against the US military based on those numbers.
We have our hands full in Afghanistan and Iraq and we aren't even fighting an organized army but a bunch of rag tag militias. I'm not trying to put down our men and women but our military is over- stretched and is not trained and built to fight a prolonged urban style war. We march into Iran and it will be 10x worse than anything we have seen in Iraq.
But how many of those are conscripts who would surrender to CNN? Not trying to suggest it means nothing just wondering since if they force everyone to do military service then that would of course make it look like they have a giant military, even if a bunch of them have little or no training.
compared to the US. no it doesnt
I'm talking based on his numbers alone. (assuming we are not involved in any other countries) I agree with you. right now, we wouldnt be able to wage an all out war with Iran.
Even if we wrapped up in Iraq and Afghanistan we still wouldn't be able to go it alone. I'm pretty sure that The Iranians have learned something from seeing us Iraq. They know that head to head their military doesn't stand a shot at beating us. Those elite Revolutionary Guards will simply blend in with the population. It will be an insurgancy the likes we have never seen.
We should just nuke them god dang towel heads!
Yehhhhhhaw!
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(The American public is still dumb enough to by the government's BS)
I'm just talking head to head. i'm sure they would do just find fighting behind women and children.
Good lord ... Its hardly that simple. No one even knows at this point how many ground troops would be needed, or you know, if there will even be a ground war period.
Nice. Harper IS a lapdog...
I realize that our ties to the US economy are the main reason we don’t want to piss them off….but enough is enough. We should be promoting other markets instead of tying our lifelines to a sinking ship by appeasing them at every turn….the energy crisis and our bountiful resources are putting us in a much better bargaining position with the US, we don't need to keep bending over for them. anyway...
I don’t have a problem with US soldiers coming here before a draft…the Iraq war is unjust, illegal, immoral, and crooked as fuck. The US military did not sign up for what they are doing now….and, as mentioned above, the National Guard DEFINITELY didn’t sign up for that. I keep reading that Iraqi refugee family example in the media up here… We wouldn’t be so worried about Iraqi refugees if US soldiers were deserting (or rebelling) en masse.
As far as not questioning superiors in the military…total bullshit. Read your constitution, and the oath that is taken when joining the military.
"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
There is no need to single out Harper here ... Another PM would do the same thing. There is a long history of us having to appease our larger neighbor to the South. Harper is not suddenly the problem.