freedom of speech....it's going the way of the dinosaur...
for some.....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
freedom of speech....it's going the way of the dinosaur...
for some.....
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If you do a search on this forum, you'll see in various threads me and outlaw discussing this matter to death. After a while, we're merely repeating the same exact information and questions and answers. Why is that necessary and how does it add any benefit to the board? Honestly, it offers none. If any poster wants to comment, so be it, but why must one or two or whomever, simply repreat the same exact song and dance over and over? It serves zero purpose other than grand-standing, which is why the board has such a rule as #6.
Also, I can live with the fact that not everyone agrees with my opinions on issues and can let the other half believe as they please, but it doesn't appear some others can and must beat a dead horse for their own benefit.
All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
Are you talking about you trying to shut someone up, 'cause that's all I see.
Interesting how freedom of speech works...people complain abotu it being taken away all the time...ironic isn't it? They have a voice to complain about freedom of speech being taken away?
Are you talking about you trying to shut someone up, 'cause that's all I see.
Interesting how freedom of speech works...people complain abotu it being taken away all the time...ironic isn't it? They have a voice to complain about freedom of speech being taken away?
It's impossible to establish the existence of something without first bringing it to light.
Unless you have a way of doing it with magic in another universe or something.
what happens after the fact is what determines
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Is it a bad thing that outlaw dislikes Israel? I also dislike Israel in the same way I disliked apartheid south africa, and yes the comparison is fairly accurate, also are the ways the ANC fough back. including bombing government buildings and night clubs. Yet how many people here will say that they were against the ANC in the 70's/80's?
Main my point which really is the underlaying factor in all your questions is the fact that violence isn't the answer. It doesn't matter who started, did what or killed x numebr more then the other half. This problem has been going on for 50+ yrs.. both sides are wrong (some in more cases than others) and neither are innocent of any wrong-doing. In this time frame, both sides really need to stop the problems and actions which cause the other half to react with violence. Whether it's Israeli army attacks or Palestinian terror groups - the end of such things would break the cycle of violence. It doesn't matter which side makes the first move to peace (process), but once they do, the other half will follow in kind. It's what occured during the Oslo Accords (closest we've seen to a real, longterm peace agreement) and it can happen again. Merely pointing fingers, passing blame or making unrealistic demands of the other half isn't an offer which will lead to such a peace deal. If both sides sit on their hands and wait for the other to do x, y and z, the cycle merely continues. At some point in time, you have to ask yourself, is this more about deciding blame and saying who's more right or wrong or is it about creating a peace in which both can live in peace?
I agree violence isn't the answer. But the context of the issue is important. It's not merely pointing fingers. It is a fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. And what's unrealistic about wanting your land back? I know, Israel will never accept that and will never give the land back. They consider it theirs.
I think as long as you don't address the core issue (the who started it, which you deem unimportant) you will never be able to break the cycle.
That being said, I realise it's not simple. You have two opposing views and hatred on both sides. Violence will indeed make things worse, it will lead to more hatred and more violence. So, I agree... one side needs to stop the violence now and hope the other side stops as well. But I think there's only one nation that can truly stop the cycle, not just the cycle of violence, but the whole cycle of problems.
You talk about a situation in which both parties can live in peace. I'm sure most Palestinians just want a situation in which they can live in their homes.
I'm not very optimisitc about the whole thing. I think it will get worse before it gets better.
You know, Five, for someone who preaches that fights only exist because people "respond" to eachother, you seem to be complaining about you and I having the same discussions repeated over and over when, in fact, it can't take place without you "responding" to me.
take your own advice one in a while if you want to be taken seriously.
I agree violence isn't the answer. But the context of the issue is important. It's not merely pointing fingers. It is a fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. And what's unrealistic about wanting your land back? I know, Israel will never accept that and will never give the land back. They consider it theirs.
I think as long as you don't address the core issue (the who started it, which you deem unimportant) you will never be able to break the cycle.
That being said, I realise it's not simple. You have two opposing views and hatred on both sides. Violence will indeed make things worse, it will lead to more hatred and more violence. So, I agree... one side needs to stop the violence now and hope the other side stops as well. But I think there's only one nation that can truly stop the cycle, not just the cycle of violence, but the whole cycle of problems.
You talk about a situation in which both parties can live in peace. I'm sure most Palestinians just want a situation in which they can live in their homes.
I'm not very optimisitc about the whole thing. I think it will get worse before it gets better.
The problem is that he seems to disregard the occupation in general.
Five, I do not know why you seem to insinuate this is a war with equal sides when, in fact, this is an occupation.
I'm sure people told the French during the Nazi Occupation, and the Algerians during the French occupation, and even the Americans during the revolution to just "stop the violence" but unfortunately in many cases such as these, only one side has the obligation to stop the violence and look for peace - that is, the occupier.
How exactly can any poster here take away another poster's "freedom of speech"...please, do tell.
Only the mods can take away their ability to post here...does that take away their freedom of speech?
Just a pet peeve of mine, nevermind, back to the old outlaw (Israel's the devil) and Five (Both sides are wrong) show!!!!!!!!!
ok...infringe upon...
better?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Although I don't necessarily agree with that, it's a particularly good one liner...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You seem to be confusing or projecting your own take on my point here. I do not care what they are posting nor do I care about the content of their statements. Their message is their own and that's fine. But why must we have 100 posts saying the exact same message.... and I don't mean a variation or conversation discussing different aspects or such, I mean the same exact messages? Do we need 100 threads and posts from the same people all stating the same exact arguement, points and counterpoints back and forth? You think I'm complaining because I don't like their message, when in fact, I've just stated otherwise... but please twist my comments some more at the sake of hearing yourself back your biased arguements.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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for some.....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://forums.pearljam.com/announcement.php?f=3&a=15
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Also, I can live with the fact that not everyone agrees with my opinions on issues and can let the other half believe as they please, but it doesn't appear some others can and must beat a dead horse for their own benefit.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
And this is pretty bad, wether you like Israel or not, these type of actions do not help their image.
Are you talking about you trying to shut someone up, 'cause that's all I see.
Interesting how freedom of speech works...people complain abotu it being taken away all the time...ironic isn't it? They have a voice to complain about freedom of speech being taken away?
It's impossible to establish the existence of something without first bringing it to light.
Unless you have a way of doing it with magic in another universe or something.
what happens after the fact is what determines
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
How exactly can any poster here take away another poster's "freedom of speech"...please, do tell.
Only the mods can take away their ability to post here...does that take away their freedom of speech?
Just a pet peeve of mine, nevermind, back to the old outlaw (Israel's the devil) and Five (Both sides are wrong) show!!!!!!!!!
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=295828
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=295599
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294992
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Is it a bad thing that outlaw dislikes Israel? I also dislike Israel in the same way I disliked apartheid south africa, and yes the comparison is fairly accurate, also are the ways the ANC fough back. including bombing government buildings and night clubs. Yet how many people here will say that they were against the ANC in the 70's/80's?
So now, anyone here like apartheid South Africa?
I agree violence isn't the answer. But the context of the issue is important. It's not merely pointing fingers. It is a fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. And what's unrealistic about wanting your land back? I know, Israel will never accept that and will never give the land back. They consider it theirs.
I think as long as you don't address the core issue (the who started it, which you deem unimportant) you will never be able to break the cycle.
That being said, I realise it's not simple. You have two opposing views and hatred on both sides. Violence will indeed make things worse, it will lead to more hatred and more violence. So, I agree... one side needs to stop the violence now and hope the other side stops as well. But I think there's only one nation that can truly stop the cycle, not just the cycle of violence, but the whole cycle of problems.
You talk about a situation in which both parties can live in peace. I'm sure most Palestinians just want a situation in which they can live in their homes.
I'm not very optimisitc about the whole thing. I think it will get worse before it gets better.
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take your own advice one in a while if you want to be taken seriously.
Five, I do not know why you seem to insinuate this is a war with equal sides when, in fact, this is an occupation.
I'm sure people told the French during the Nazi Occupation, and the Algerians during the French occupation, and even the Americans during the revolution to just "stop the violence" but unfortunately in many cases such as these, only one side has the obligation to stop the violence and look for peace - that is, the occupier.
ok...infringe upon...
better?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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...don't read any more if they bother you.
I do the same with TV commercials...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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maybe he doesn't like reading ACTUAL news?
You're the Palestinian equivalent of Fox News.
I don't know what's more pathetic: being called a terrorist, anti-semite, or the Palestinians Fox News by Israeli apologists.
tell you what, if someone ever occupies your land and kills/tortures your people, I'll take up an interest in that, too.
or would you rather me not?
Although I don't necessarily agree with that, it's a particularly good one liner...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Because you're a no spin zone of course.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis