'Tell us who the terrorists are if you want the doctor'

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    For some it's about telling the muslims to fuck off for eternity.

    They get a high from it.

    in order to balance the equation you need to look at actually achieving a balance....

    too early for some
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    In this time frame, both sides really need to stop the problems and actions which cause the other half to react with violence. Whether it's Israeli army attacks or Palestinian terror groups - the end of such things would break the cycle of violence. It doesn't matter which side makes the first move to peace (process), but once they do, the other half will follow in kind.
    Noooo, it won't. why do you not get that already? israel is not interested in ACTUAL PEACE, that is why they have been maintaining an occupation over Palestinian land for the past 40 years. Not to mention the fact that any "peace process" before, such as:
    It's what occured during the Oslo Accords (closest we've seen to a real, longterm peace agreement) and it can happen again.
    was nothing but bullshit. did you not see what the Israelis offered the Palestinians during the Oslo Accords? do you not understand that the first suicide bombing happened THIRTY (30) YEARS after the occupation?

    The Israelis have to act first. A peace process CANNOT begin (it actually can't, physically and psychologically) until they withdraw from the occupied territories, until they stop oppressing the Palestinians...
  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,143
    _outlaw wrote:
    "Seriously ill Palestinian patients are being pressured to collaborate with Israeli intelligence by informing on militant and other activities in return for being allowed out of Gaza for medical treatment a report says today."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/tell-us-who-the-terrorists-are-if-you-want-the-doctor-884245.html


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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Dude seriously, how many times would you like to repeat the same opinion? It's beating a dead horse. We've had this discussion numerous times already. I understand your opinion, the situation, but whole-heartedly disagree with your assessment. You posting your opinion doesn't make you any more right, nor does it make me anymore wrong.
    _outlaw wrote:
    Noooo, it won't. why do you not get that already? israel is not interested in ACTUAL PEACE, that is why they have been maintaining an occupation over Palestinian land for the past 40 years. Not to mention the fact that any "peace process" before, such as:

    was nothing but bullshit. did you not see what the Israelis offered the Palestinians during the Oslo Accords? do you not understand that the first suicide bombing happened THIRTY (30) YEARS after the occupation?

    The Israelis have to act first. A peace process CANNOT begin (it actually can't, physically and psychologically) until they withdraw from the occupied territories, until they stop oppressing the Palestinians...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Man, I have an overwhelming feeling of deja vu...I can't help but feel like outlaw and Five have had this same argument before............
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The lifestyles are so dramatically different.

    For those still wondering what levels people will go to "win", read Osama's letter to America, and go down the list.

    Then think about who's getting rich from what, the moralities (and $$$$$$$$$) of the people involved in said activities, and realize what lengths people will go to maintain this upper hand.

    Everything else falls right into place after that. Including what 9/11 was.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell out, who's left in the boat? Re-Pete

    Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell out, who's left in the boat? Re-Pete

    Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell out, who's left in the boat? Re-Pete
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Man, I have an overwhelming feeling of deja vu...I can't help but feel like outlaw and Five have had this same argument before............
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    3inputchick wrote:
    Youare all thinking about this issue with an american/UK mentality-

    Israel has the right to defend herself.

    Israel is a rogue nuclear nation that continuously terrorizes its neighbors and we fund them in this cause. There's no justification for this type of action. Israel doesn't want peace, they thrive on the constant conflict that allows them to rob land and brutalize people. Maybe Israel should change its slogan from Never Again to Who's the Bitch Now. Too bad they don't share a border with Germany or Russia, at least it would be a fair fight in defending themselves.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Dude seriously, how many times would you like to repeat the same opinion? It's beating a dead horse. We've had this discussion numerous times already. I understand your opinion, the situation, but whole-heartedly disagree with your assessment. You posting your opinion doesn't make you any more right, nor does it make me anymore wrong.
    more right than you?

    what the hell are you talking about?

    if your only response to people's questions on here is "this was already discussed..." then that's fine. I really don't care about changing your mind because yours is already made up. I'm posting this for the other people reading.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    My point is you keeping saying things like "you just don't get it". Perhaps you aren't aware that many people on this board or in the world disagree with you. And you posted the same questions and answers over and over doesn't make you any more right that someone you disagree with. There's no reason to repeat the same stuff over and over and over... there's already a thread where posted back and forth this exact exchange (which is what cincybearcat alluded too)... so why bother repeating one another again?

    There's a search function in this board so you can find old threads and posts... perhaps just "bump" the previous one compared to writing the same exact info or making the same exact statements. We're all familiar with your opinion and many are with mine, so why keeping repeating?
    _outlaw wrote:
    more right than you?

    what the hell are you talking about?

    if your only response to people's questions on here is "this was already discussed..." then that's fine. I really don't care about changing your mind because yours is already made up. I'm posting this for the other people reading.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    freedom of speech....it's going the way of the dinosaur...

    for some..... ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Please see #6

    http://forums.pearljam.com/announcement.php?f=3&a=15

    ;-)
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    freedom of speech....it's going the way of the dinosaur...

    for some..... ;)
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Please see #6

    http://forums.pearljam.com/announcement.php?f=3&a=15

    ;-)


    All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    If you do a search on this forum, you'll see in various threads me and outlaw discussing this matter to death. After a while, we're merely repeating the same exact information and questions and answers. Why is that necessary and how does it add any benefit to the board? Honestly, it offers none. If any poster wants to comment, so be it, but why must one or two or whomever, simply repreat the same exact song and dance over and over? It serves zero purpose other than grand-standing, which is why the board has such a rule as #6.

    Also, I can live with the fact that not everyone agrees with my opinions on issues and can let the other half believe as they please, but it doesn't appear some others can and must beat a dead horse for their own benefit.
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Understatement.
    Or completely beside the point of the OP.
    And this is pretty bad, wether you like Israel or not, these type of actions do not help their image.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    All I see if someone trying to shut someone else up because they don't want to see or hear about something in particular.

    Are you talking about you trying to shut someone up, 'cause that's all I see. ;)

    Interesting how freedom of speech works...people complain abotu it being taken away all the time...ironic isn't it? They have a voice to complain about freedom of speech being taken away?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Are you talking about you trying to shut someone up, 'cause that's all I see. ;)

    Interesting how freedom of speech works...people complain abotu it being taken away all the time...ironic isn't it? They have a voice to complain about freedom of speech being taken away?

    It's impossible to establish the existence of something without first bringing it to light.

    Unless you have a way of doing it with magic in another universe or something.

    what happens after the fact is what determines
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's impossible to establish the existence of something without first bringing it to light.

    Unless you have a way of doing it with magic in another universe or something.

    what happens after the fact is what determines


    How exactly can any poster here take away another poster's "freedom of speech"...please, do tell.

    Only the mods can take away their ability to post here...does that take away their freedom of speech?

    Just a pet peeve of mine, nevermind, back to the old outlaw (Israel's the devil) and Five (Both sides are wrong) show!!!!!!!!!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Just to summarize and not repeat, here's some thread posted where we discussed these very topics already.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=295828

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=295599

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294992
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Apartheid South Africa? innocent Israel?

    Is it a bad thing that outlaw dislikes Israel? I also dislike Israel in the same way I disliked apartheid south africa, and yes the comparison is fairly accurate, also are the ways the ANC fough back. including bombing government buildings and night clubs. Yet how many people here will say that they were against the ANC in the 70's/80's?

    So now, anyone here like apartheid South Africa?

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