Sign This Petition To Stop The Implementation Of The Realid Card!!!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

know1 wrote:

If I see any trains or am asked to remove clothing by government officials, I'll be concerned.

Regarding Bush - he's not even going to be in office when this comes to pass.

It's coming from the guys who hold the money.

I hope all this hype and govt suspiciousness from the people sends the message that the public isn't exactly ripe pickings for modern day slavery new world order model.

However...we haven't had 9/11 part 2 yet. That should be interesting. I'll place my bets now that the Whitehouse goes totally bonkers with delicious new laws and mandates on how and when we can tie our shoes and take a dump etc... etc...

I'll be chilling on some tropical remote island somewhere if it all gets too weird... I've been wanting to for the last few years now. It's just a matter of time for me.

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's coming from the guys who hold the money.

I hope all this hype and govt suspiciousness from the people sends the message that the public isn't exactly ripe pickings for modern day slavery new world order model.

However...we haven't had 9/11 part 2 yet. That should be interesting. I'll place my bets now that the Whitehouse goes totally bonkers with delicious new laws and mandates on how and when we can tie our shoes and take a dump etc... etc...

I'll be chilling on some tropical remote island somewhere if it all gets too weird... I've been wanting to for the last few years now. It's just a matter of time for me.

My take on the RealID stuff is that it's going to happen period. The loss of privacy happened decades ago round about when federal income tax was introduced. This is all just fall out. Too many people pick and choose what parts of government they want to be big without understanding there is no taming a growing, runaway government. Every new social program they vote for and demand is just another nail in the coffin. I'm not fighting it, I'm not resisting it. My energies are better spent learning to adapt.

know1

gue_barium wrote:

I have a state issued drivers license. Nothing on the federal level since I was in the military.

And your state-issued license isn't in a federal database somewhere? I guess if you travel to another state, there's no way to prove who you are...

I suppose you oppose passports as well?

1970RR

know1 wrote:

And your state-issued license isn't in a federal database somewhere? I guess if you travel to another state, there's no way to prove who you are...

I suppose you oppose passports as well?

I think thats the point of the REALID Act - each state has different standards, hence the Feds reasoning for a national standard.

Drowned Out

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Honestly though, Alex Jones becomes less and less radical as time goes on, and more of what he says is becoming reality.

I want to know when they plan on fitting us all with shock collars.

I've noticed this too....just mentioning his name was enough to get you belittled as a tin-foil hatter up until recently. Maybe it's cause half the right wingers that used to come here have disappeared (I would have too if I had posts supporting Bush lol)....but it seems like he is gaining a lot more credibility in many peoples eyes over the last year or so.

vedderfan10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Either did the Jews on the trains my friend. They were calm even while naked lining up for the gas chambers. Lied to the whole way...trusting their captors would not harm them.

How stupid they were eh?

Have you seen the ties Bush's grandfather had to Hitler Mr I'm not concerned?

Oh for gosh sakes! I don't even know how to respond to this! What an outrage to compare the Haulocost to ANYTHING like this... you people are so paranoid about everything...land of the free? No way...Home of the brave - nope...why...because you are PARANOID...

It's fine to be concerned, but predicting the future? Pfffffttt....Some of the responses on here are WAY over the top...

And yes - this form of ID is being proposed for Canada - and our gov't is looking into it right now, as a matter of fact. It's a chip on a drivers' licence to make crossing into the US (and back into Canada) a lot easier and without the use of a passport. How this will work for non drivers and children, I don't know...but it seems pretty harmless. Plus - you don't HAVE to get one. And besides, you have to give up a whole lotta info about yourself when you apply for a passport, or (as someone said) fill out your income tax form.

So relax, have a drink, and listen to some Clash or Pearl Jam...

PS..I know that I probably spelled Haulocost wrong...nobody needs to bring it my attention...Thanks

Abookamongstthemany

Drowned Out wrote:

I've noticed this too....just mentioning his name was enough to get you belittled as a tin-foil hatter up until recently. Maybe it's cause half the right wingers that used to come here have disappeared (I would have too if I had posts supporting Bush lol)....but it seems like he is gaining a lot more credibility in many peoples eyes over the last year or so.

I think it has a lot to do with Alex's libertarian/Ron Paul supporting views. Being libertarian has became much more popular than being republican here. I personally get tired of hearing the guy rant on and on about the 'evil government' (I see it as... govt is made up of people and it's up to us to make what we can out of our govt) and his constant fear mongering but to each their own.

Lesbelges

EyesForTheSkies wrote:

here is the link to sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/antiID/petition.html



*the RealID card is a pre-cursor to the soon to be manditory RFID chips that will be required to be IMPLANTED into your body, constantly monitored by a system of satelites orbitng the earth using radio frequencies, and will store all of your vital information including your social security number, your birthdate, your credit information, and most importantly, YOUR MONEY... ALL TRANSACTIONS WILL BE DONE VIA THIS CHIP, and get this, if the powers that be feel that you're becoming a threat to their plan, or that you're just thinking too much, they can simply TURN OFF YOUR CHIP, and then it will be as if you don't even exist...

Here is a video that explains the RealID card and eventually the RFID chip much better than i can... go to http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com, and forward to 1:45:30 and watch for 3 or 4 minutes, or, better yet, watch the entire film, because that will paint a clearer picture of the whole plan...

Inform yourself, SIGN THE PETITON, and most importantly, WATCH THE FILM!


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Somebody's Chip is getting turned off right when he gets it!

Drowned Out

Vedderfan10 wrote:

Oh for gosh sakes! I don't even know how to respond to this! What an outrage to compare the Haulocost to ANYTHING like this... you people are so paranoid about everything...land of the free? No way...Home of the brave - nope...why...because you are PARANOID...

It's fine to be concerned, but predicting the future? Pfffffttt....Some of the responses on here are WAY over the top...

And yes - this form of ID is being proposed for Canada - and our gov't is looking into it right now, as a matter of fact. It's a chip on a drivers' licence to make crossing into the US (and back into Canada) a lot easier and without the use of a passport. How this will work for non drivers and children, I don't know...but it seems pretty harmless. Plus - you don't HAVE to get one. And besides, you have to give up a whole lotta info about yourself when you apply for a passport, or (as someone said) fill out your income tax form.

So relax, have a drink, and listen to some Clash or Pearl Jam...

PS..I know that I probably spelled Haulocost wrong...nobody needs to bring it my attention...Thanks

I don't see any kind of government control as harmless...cause once it's law, they can just continue building on it. So yes, looking to the future where our rights are concerned is a must....
Maybe they won't FORCE people to get the card...but if they start putting them in driver's licenses, passports, or under your skin, they have a LOT of control over you, esp. once they start running our finances with it.

This is nothing new...I remember a HS teacher saying, in the mid-90's, that in the near future we'd be scanning a card right at the shelf to pay for something, then just walking out thru a scanner...no employees needed. You think Wal-Mart isn't diggin that idea?

It will just keep progressing until everyone is convinced that it might as well just be implanted b/c if we lose it we're fucked....but then we WILL be fucked if the government ever decides we should be. It's sooooooo Orwellian it's not even funny. I don't understand how anyone can not have a problem with that.

Drowned Out

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I think it has a lot to do with Alex's libertarian/Ron Paul supporting views. Being libertarian has became much more popular than being republican here. I personally get tired of hearing the guy rant on and on about the 'evil government' (I see it as... govt is made up of people and it's up to us to make what we can out of our govt) and his constant fear mongering but to each their own.

I agree with your take on Jones...I really wish he wasn't so evangelical in his approach...tho I have to admit, I kinda like how he gets out on the street with his bullhorn...ineffective, but hardcore

And yes, this administration has made a lot of people think government should just go away...I bet a lot of betrayed-feeling republicans would rather see a viable third party, or even see it all come crashing down than vote dem;)....which is a good thing, I s'ppose.

vedderfan10

Drowned Out wrote:

Maybe they won't FORCE people to get the card...but if they start putting them in driver's licenses, passports, or under your skin, they have a LOT of control over you, esp. once they start running our finances with it.

It will just keep progressing until everyone is convinced that it might as well just be implanted b/c if we lose it we're fucked....but then we WILL be fucked if the government ever decides we should be. It's sooooooo Orwellian it's not even funny. I don't understand how anyone can not have a problem with that.

Okay....uuhmmm...yeah, in Canada (BC only at this point, I think), the microchipped licenses will be optional. There is no talk of forcing people to get them...But being paranoid about something you don't KNOW will happen is a great way to make yourself crazy.

Criminals already have way easier access to all your personal data and finances if you go online without a firewall and major security measures on your computer. And knowing this, people still post identifying information that can cost them very dearly...

If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about, right?

Drowned Out

Vedderfan10 wrote:

Okay....uuhmmm...yeah, in Canada (BC only at this point, I think), the microchipped licenses will be optional. There is no talk of forcing people to get them...But being paranoid about something you don't KNOW will happen is a great way to make yourself crazy.

Criminals already have way easier access to all your personal data and finances if you go online without a firewall and major security measures on your computer. And knowing this, people still post identifying information that can cost them very dearly...?

I am speculating, yes....
do you disagree with me about how it's a slippery slope tho? Why can't you look forward? It's not paranoia, it's exploring the possibilities for this technology. There is no one talking about it publicly (except all of those conspiracy crazies :rolleyes: ), but you don't think there are people looking for ways to exploit this?

people are always looking for ways to make life more convenient....this chip will make life way more convenient. Think of the scenario I posted above at the grocery store...even being dead set against the chip, I'd be tempted to get it if it meant I'd never have to stand in a lineup for a half hour again...
The main problem is that it is a totally unprecedented way to track people... Hackers can get into your personal info now, sure...but for the most part that is only a financial risk. what if that personal info included your exact fucking whereabouts at all times? Because someone could already track down your address, you don't care if they could stalk your physical movements on a computer screen?
you have to admit that it's not that big a stretch.

Vedderfan10 wrote:

If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about, right?

Sorry, but this statement always makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

EyesForTheSkies

Drowned Out wrote:

It's the size of a piece of rice.
They HAVE been doing this for years...well, not to babies (that I know of ), but Wal-Mart and many other stores put them in their products. The fucking LIBRARIES in my city put them in all of their books (this one scares me....I wonder how many of those books are on watch lists and being monitored), under the guise of simplifying/speeding up the rental procedure and being able to cut staff. Clubs in Europe have been asking people to have them injected voluntarily in order to speed up lineups to get in...and there was a report of the first baby being injected with one just a few weeks ago.
There is an entire section about this stuff on the Alex Jones sites....(infowar and prisonplanet).

it's way smaller than that... the chip is thin enough to fit into a syringe... they will inject it into you just like a shot...

and you're right, we won't submit to this kicking and screaming *we as in the people in general* we will literally be demanding it from them...

EyesForTheSkies

go watch this:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

then come back and tell me it's just "paranoia".

Vedderfan10 wrote:

Oh for gosh sakes! I don't even know how to respond to this! What an outrage to compare the Haulocost to ANYTHING like this... you people are so paranoid about everything...land of the free? No way...Home of the brave - nope...why...because you are PARANOID...

It's fine to be concerned, but predicting the future? Pfffffttt....Some of the responses on here are WAY over the top...

And yes - this form of ID is being proposed for Canada - and our gov't is looking into it right now, as a matter of fact. It's a chip on a drivers' licence to make crossing into the US (and back into Canada) a lot easier and without the use of a passport. How this will work for non drivers and children, I don't know...but it seems pretty harmless. Plus - you don't HAVE to get one. And besides, you have to give up a whole lotta info about yourself when you apply for a passport, or (as someone said) fill out your income tax form.

So relax, have a drink, and listen to some Clash or Pearl Jam...

PS..I know that I probably spelled Haulocost wrong...nobody needs to bring it my attention...Thanks

EyesForTheSkies

people don't have a problem because they don't want to have a problem... they don't want to think that the officials that they (or their peers) put into offfice have anything but their best interests at heart, instead of basing every move on the almighty dollar...

people just want to sit at home and drink their beer and watch their tv and become numb to the world around them (which is exactly what they want us to do)... Have you ever wondered why our public education system is such shit?... Don't you think that if the Gov't WANTED it's children educated that they would give the schools the means to do that?.. The fact is we are as educated as the government wants us to be... They don't want us thinking too much about it, or to have the ability to think critically and then form those thoughts into coherent words for others to understand...

Why do you think they're trying to restrict who can access what on the internet and what can even be put on the internet?...


Or, don't think about any of this... Go back to your baseball game and your 6 pack and your american idol, and trust that your life is safely being managed by those trustworthy people in office...

Drowned Out wrote:

I don't see any kind of government control as harmless...cause once it's law, they can just continue building on it. So yes, looking to the future where our rights are concerned is a must....
Maybe they won't FORCE people to get the card...but if they start putting them in driver's licenses, passports, or under your skin, they have a LOT of control over you, esp. once they start running our finances with it.

This is nothing new...I remember a HS teacher saying, in the mid-90's, that in the near future we'd be scanning a card right at the shelf to pay for something, then just walking out thru a scanner...no employees needed. You think Wal-Mart isn't diggin that idea?

It will just keep progressing until everyone is convinced that it might as well just be implanted b/c if we lose it we're fucked....but then we WILL be fucked if the government ever decides we should be. It's sooooooo Orwellian it's not even funny. I don't understand how anyone can not have a problem with that.

surferdude

Drowned Out wrote:

I am speculating, yes....
do you disagree with me about how it's a slippery slope tho?

How come when the left talks about the slippery slope it's healthy discussion and prudent but when the right does the same it's fear mongering?

Drowned Out

surferdude wrote:

How come when the left talks about the slippery slope it's healthy discussion and prudent but when the right does the same it's fear mongering?

Which issue are you saying the left considers fear mongering?
I don't really consider myself left or right.

EyesForTheSkies

you haven't heard "talk" of any of this because you're not supposed to... who do you think is ultimately in charge of the media?.. you're not going to hear anything they don't want you to hear....

Vedderfan10 wrote:

Okay....uuhmmm...yeah, in Canada (BC only at this point, I think), the microchipped licenses will be optional. There is no talk of forcing people to get them...But being paranoid about something you don't KNOW will happen is a great way to make yourself crazy.

Criminals already have way easier access to all your personal data and finances if you go online without a firewall and major security measures on your computer. And knowing this, people still post identifying information that can cost them very dearly...

If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about, right?

sonicreducer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

Controversy and opposition
Arguments for and against identity cards are covered in detail under Identity document.
There is disagreement about whether the Real ID Act institutes a "national identification card" system.[8] The new law only sets forth national standards, but leaves the issuance of cards and the maintenance of databases in state hands; therefore, the Department of Homeland Security claims it is not a true "national ID" system. [2] Others[who?] argue that this is a trivial distinction, and that the new cards are in fact national ID cards, thanks to the uniform national standards created by the AAMVA and (especially) the linked databases.


[edit] State non-compliance
See also: National identification number
Portions of the Real ID Act pertaining to states were scheduled to take effect on May 11, 2008, three years after the law passed, but the deadline has been extended to December 31, 2009[9].

On January 25, 2007, a Resolution passed overwhelmingly in the Maine Legislature that refuses implementation of the Real ID Act in that State, and demands Congress repeal the law. Many Maine lawmakers believe the law does more harm than good, that it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, is threatening to individual privacy, makes citizens increasingly vulnerable to ID theft, and would cost Maine taxpayers at least $185 million in five years because of the massive unfunded federal mandates on all the states. The Resolution vote in the Maine House was 137-4 and in the Maine Senate unanimously, 34-0.

On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution which opposes the REAL ID Act[10]. The resolution states that REAL ID is "in opposition to the Jeffersonian principles of individual liberty, free markets, and limited government." It further states that "the use of identification-based security cannot be justified as part of a 'layered' security system if the costs of the identification 'layer'--in dollars, lost privacy, and lost liberty--are greater than the security identification provides."

Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Carolina, and Washington have joined Maine in passing legislation opposing Real ID.[11][12][13][14] A similar bill is pending in Massachusetts.[15]

Other states have moved aggressively to upgrade their IDs since 9/11, and still others have staked decidedly pro-Real ID positions, such as California [16] and North Carolina.[17] In announcing the new regulations, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff cited California, Alabama and North Dakota[18] as examples of states that had made progress in complying with Real ID.

binauralsounds

awesome to see this. I posted this last year. Indeed, a precursor to THE MARK