The way I see it you had 2 choices:
1. Explain WHY you think Barack Obama is "a great candidate."
2. Just say that anyone who doesn't like him obviously has no idea what they're talking about, and therefore has a lack of understanding for ANYTHING politically related.
Almost every Obama supporter I've dealt with is the same. No reason why he's obviously the best choice, but if you don't see that he's the best choice then you don't know anything.
But Obama sure has a pretty mouth.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I'd like to think they change things for the better...ya know, like they all say they're going to do. It's their job to guide us and lead...not just talk about things they never do. They all have these grand plans of things they say they are going to do because they know it's supposed to be their job. They pick cabinet members, advisers, judges, etc who do affect the direction our country is going. So when I see these candidates all full of these plans to change things, they need to put their money where their mouth is. They all have connections with lobbyists, corporate contributors and these same people who give them the money to get elected will be the ones who benefit the most once they're in.
If all we expect out of our leaders is talk, it's no wonder we're in the mess we are.
No takers?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Tell that to the thousands of troops in Iraq who can't come home until Bush says so. Seriously ... the buck stops in the Oval Office on a lot of shit. A lot of shit. You can't have someone in there who doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, or it doesn't work. You can't have someone in there who wants to play both sides of the fence, or it doesn't work.
Vote for Obama if you think he's the best candidate. But don't delude yourself into thinking he won't have to make tough decisions that will affect millions of lives on a daily basis.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
obama, for example, hasn't been in office yet. he hasn't had the chance to prove the things he says. so until then, its just talk.
Um Bush is in his last term, Clinton served two terms... So unless Bush 1 or Carter are going to make a late comeback, I don't see how we could get a candidate that has been in office yet. I don't get it...
To stay on topic, I like Barack. McCain will invade Iran, Clinton will terrify the children. So Obama is the "lesser of the three evils".
When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
Tell that to the thousands of troops in Iraq who can't come home until Bush says so. Seriously ... the buck stops in the Oval Office on a lot of shit. A lot of shit. You can't have someone in there who doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, or it doesn't work. You can't have someone in there who wants to play both sides of the fence, or it doesn't work.
Vote for Obama if you think he's the best candidate. But don't delude yourself into thinking he won't have to make tough decisions that will affect millions of lives on a daily basis.
what? You think it was Bush who actually made all the decisions re. the war in Iraq? You think if he, personally, woke up tomorrow and thought 'fuck it, lets bring them home' that the troops would be on a flight by tomorrow evening? Nope... he employs people to make those decisions FOR him... and he's the one who takes the heat for their choices! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he DOES have to make the odd decision, like 'what tie will I wear today?' or he probably has fashion advisers... maybe he decides whether it's gonna be coffee or tea? Who the fuck knows... but he has an entire team of people to make those decisions FOR him and he has the final say of course but all he has to do is go with their decision or don't go with it.
So basically a president is nothing more than a salesman... they have to sell these ideas to the public and make them buy. Bush couldn't sell a rose in a speed dating convention!
Sorry abook that's directed towards your post too.
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Frankly its not worth arguing with a bunch of "I think i'm making a statement Nadar supporters." I was talking about from a political science point of view. He's charismatic as hell, he's a great speaker & has broken fundraising records (small donor mind you). Those things indicate a 'strong' candidate/campaign regardless of where you stand in the political spectrum.
Frankly its not worth arguing with a bunch of "I think i'm making a statement Nadar supporters." I was talking about from a political science point of view. He's charismatic as hell, he's a great speaker & has broken fundraising records (small donor mind you). Those things indicate a 'strong' candidate/campaign regardless of where you stand in the political spectrum.
I'm voting for who I view as the best choice, you mean. The Dems don't own anyone's vote, sorry.
what? You think it was Bush who actually made all the decisions re. the war in Iraq? You think if he, personally, woke up tomorrow and thought 'fuck it, lets bring them home' that the troops would be on a flight by tomorrow evening? Nope... he employs people to make those decisions FOR him... and he's the one who takes the heat for their choices! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he DOES have to make the odd decision, like 'what tie will I wear today?' or he probably has fashion advisers... maybe he decides whether it's gonna be coffee or tea? Who the fuck knows... but he has an entire team of people to make those decisions FOR him and he has the final say of course but all he has to do is go with their decision or don't go with it.
So basically a president is nothing more than a salesman... they have to sell these ideas to the public and make them buy. Bush couldn't sell a rose in a speed dating convention!
Sorry abook that's directed towards your post too.
So I guess all the policy directions they have up on their website are just hot air?
I think they guide the direction of the country by their choices and who they appoint to the positions around them. The administration of the president usually follows his cues and ideology...or else why would he/she even choose them in the first place? They are decision makers thus needing leadership skills.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying into this 'the president's job is to just to talk' bit.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So I guess all the policy directions they have up on their website are just hot air?
I think they guide the direction of the country by their choices and who they appoint to the positions around them. The administration of the president usually follows his cues and ideology...or else why would he/she even choose them in the first place? They are decision makers thus needing leadership skills.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying into this 'the president's job is to just to talk' bit.
of course they have policies... but those policies are already in place before they become president. Once their president, if they have a choice to make, they have several people to 'help' them make their decision. They don't do it alone and probably don't do it at all. When the decision is made, it's their job to sell it to the people. I will give it to you that appointing the people to make these decisions is indeed the choice of the president... but that's not really that hard of a decision, is it? If you became president tomorrow, I bet you already have an idea of who you would put in what role.
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Anyway, Obama is speaking at my school today (East Carolina University) and I think I'm going to go check it out.
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of course they have policies... but those policies are already in place before they become president. Once their president, if they have a choice to make, they have several people to 'help' them make their decision. They don't do it alone and probably don't do it at all. When the decision is made, it's their job to sell it to the people. I will give it to you that appointing the people to make these decisions is indeed the choice of the president... but that's not really that hard of a decision, is it? If you became president tomorrow, I bet you already have an idea of who you would put in what role.
That is a huge decision though. The people you pick effect the rest of the country and the world. While the president may not make all the minute by minute decision he/she sets the tone for the administration. And lastly the buck stops with him/her. Your advisers may be telling you to invade Iraq under false pretenses but the final say rests in your lap.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
of course they have policies... but those policies are already in place before they become president. Once their president, if they have a choice to make, they have several people to 'help' them make their decision. They don't do it alone and probably don't do it at all. When the decision is made, it's their job to sell it to the people. I will give it to you that appointing the people to make these decisions is indeed the choice of the president... but that's not really that hard of a decision, is it? If you became president tomorrow, I bet you already have an idea of who you would put in what role.
Yeah, people that support what I want to see happening in this country...thus making those choices will affect everyone's life for the next 4 years.
Bush couldn't sell anyone shit but he sure did a good job of fucking the place up...him and his adminstration, that is. Their policies were crap and they made the decisions to take on each and every agenda they pursued.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, people that support what I want to see happening in this country...thus making those choices will affect everyone's life for the next 4 years.
Bush couldn't sell anyone shit but he sure did a good job of fucking the place up...him and his adminstration, that is. Their policies were crap and they made the decisions to take on each and every agenda they pursued.
The point I'm trying to make IS... any president could have invaded a country like Iraq and convinced the world it was a good idea :eek: It's mind boggling how he fucked that one up. If it were Clinton, the entire world would have gone in with him... all patting ourselves on the backs for what a good job we're doing. See what I mean? Same job, same decision... but different sales pitch! That's all it takes.
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That is a huge decision though. The people you pick effect the rest of the country and the world. While the president may not make all the minute by minute decision he/she sets the tone for the administration. And lastly the buck stops with him/her. Your advisers may be telling you to invade Iraq under false pretenses but the final say rests in your lap.
While it's true you have the final say, you see where I'm coming from that the majority of the decisions are NOT made by a president... he may change a thing or two here and there and ok plenty of decisions made by other people. If he doesn't like a decision made by ONE advisor, he'll go along with that of another. Yes it's a big decision to pick the people... but it wasn't really for dubya... didn't he pick half of daddy's administration?
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While it's true you have the final say, you see where I'm coming from that the majority of the decisions are NOT made by a president... he may change a thing or two here and there and ok plenty of decisions made by other people. If he doesn't like a decision made by ONE advisor, he'll go along with that of another. Yes it's a big decision to pick the people... but it wasn't really for dubya... didn't he pick half of daddy's administration?
It is a big decision to ok your advisers ideas and policies. He is responsible for every action his administration takes.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It is a big decision to ok your advisers ideas and policies. He is responsible for every action his administration takes.
I've already agreed that is one decision he has to make... the point I'm making is that I believe the presidents role is MORE as a speaker and uniter than a decision maker... he even has people to help him choose his advisers!
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I've already agreed that is one decision he has to make... the point I'm making is that I believe the presidents role is MORE as a speaker and uniter than a decision maker... he even has people to help him choose his advisers!
How can you say it's not a decision making role when you already agreed that he has to decide which advise and policies to follow. The ultimate responsiblity of a president is to decide what course of action to take.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
How can you say it's not a decision making role when you already agreed that he has to decide which advise and policies to follow. The ultimate responsiblity of a president is to decide what course of action to take.
Of COURSE he makes decisions... but I think it's more important that he's a good speaker and uniter, qualities which abook said are useless to a president. I believe the 'best' presidents have been simply the best speakers.
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Of COURSE he makes decisions... but I think it's more important that he's a good speaker and uniter, qualities which abook said are useless to a president. I believe the 'best' presidents have been simply the best speakers.
I did not say it was useless. I said it wasn't the most important trait. Making the best decisions for the people you are serving would be the most important trait.
Who, in your opinion, was the 'best' president? My choices are the ones who had the great policies that helped the people such as FDR. Reagan was great at speeches but a sorry ass prez in my view.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm a card carrying member of the Libertarian Party. I'll support the Libertarian candidate. Looking forward to travelling to Denver for the convention.
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I see only one horrible candidate, McCain. Hillary is Barack in a dress (occasionally), and Barack is Hillary in a suit. They're so alike, they both wear the pant suits. Hillary, Barack...makes no difference. One's a bitch, the other a bastard. Apparently, Hillary's the bastard (reference pictures of he at the urinal) and Barack's the bitch, to hear it told on the internet about how Barack is the first real female to be running for president. (I guess it shows I've never had an intimate relationship with her/him! This news surprised me.) I prefer them to McCain because I prefer the right to choose, and I prefer to stay out of endless, stupid wars that drain us financially and set us up for intensive terrorist targeting at home. Also, being the laughing stock of the world does kinda hurt a bit. So, bring on Hilbama, or Obillary. Have mercy. I'll vote for either, or the package.
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They may not be exactly alike but none of them represents my position in what I believe are the most important issues facing our country.
which is the war
new energy
and getting the dollar up
none of them has a plan for that
change could come in february if you vote for gravel
otherwise... it will continue
They do have plans for those issues, just not ones that I agree with.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But Obama sure has a pretty mouth.
for the least they could possibly do
No takers?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Tell that to the thousands of troops in Iraq who can't come home until Bush says so. Seriously ... the buck stops in the Oval Office on a lot of shit. A lot of shit. You can't have someone in there who doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, or it doesn't work. You can't have someone in there who wants to play both sides of the fence, or it doesn't work.
Vote for Obama if you think he's the best candidate. But don't delude yourself into thinking he won't have to make tough decisions that will affect millions of lives on a daily basis.
for the least they could possibly do
Um Bush is in his last term, Clinton served two terms... So unless Bush 1 or Carter are going to make a late comeback, I don't see how we could get a candidate that has been in office yet. I don't get it...
To stay on topic, I like Barack. McCain will invade Iran, Clinton will terrify the children. So Obama is the "lesser of the three evils".
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
So basically a president is nothing more than a salesman... they have to sell these ideas to the public and make them buy. Bush couldn't sell a rose in a speed dating convention!
Sorry abook that's directed towards your post too.
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I'm voting for who I view as the best choice, you mean. The Dems don't own anyone's vote, sorry.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obamainside_N.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews&loc=interstitialskip
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So I guess all the policy directions they have up on their website are just hot air?
I think they guide the direction of the country by their choices and who they appoint to the positions around them. The administration of the president usually follows his cues and ideology...or else why would he/she even choose them in the first place? They are decision makers thus needing leadership skills.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying into this 'the president's job is to just to talk' bit.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
That is a huge decision though. The people you pick effect the rest of the country and the world. While the president may not make all the minute by minute decision he/she sets the tone for the administration. And lastly the buck stops with him/her. Your advisers may be telling you to invade Iraq under false pretenses but the final say rests in your lap.
Yeah, people that support what I want to see happening in this country...thus making those choices will affect everyone's life for the next 4 years.
Bush couldn't sell anyone shit but he sure did a good job of fucking the place up...him and his adminstration, that is. Their policies were crap and they made the decisions to take on each and every agenda they pursued.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ask him about why he pushed all of the other candidates of the ballot during his first campaign. That wasn't very nice and sportsman like.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?,page=1
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
It is a big decision to ok your advisers ideas and policies. He is responsible for every action his administration takes.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
How can you say it's not a decision making role when you already agreed that he has to decide which advise and policies to follow. The ultimate responsiblity of a president is to decide what course of action to take.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I did not say it was useless. I said it wasn't the most important trait. Making the best decisions for the people you are serving would be the most important trait.
Who, in your opinion, was the 'best' president? My choices are the ones who had the great policies that helped the people such as FDR. Reagan was great at speeches but a sorry ass prez in my view.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
"If I wanted you to understand, I would have explained it better"
Johan Cruijff