Money as Debt

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Light bulbs going off like pretty little Christmas lights randomly scattered thoughout the neighborhood. Bah humbug!!! said uncle scrooge...

What will Santa bring us for Christmas?

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/135.html

"One of the last things John F. Kennedy did before he was assassinated was declare his intention to reform the central banking system of the United States.

No connection between these two events?

Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee from 1927-33, opposed the Federal Reserve System. There were three reported attempts on his life before he finally died of "heart failure."

Here's what he said about the Federal Reserve from the floor of Congress:

"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most
corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed.

The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over.

This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the mal-administration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it."

DriftingByTheStorm

The good part of a bad movie.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.fedupusa.com/

BinFrog

I swear you two are the same person.

I can just imagine either of you getting all giddy when the other posts about:

A) The Fed
Terrorism
C) 9/11
D) Zionism
E) Anything else deemed as a 'conpsiracy'

It's funny to watch. It really is.

I'd love to read your PM's with each other.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

I swear you two are the same person.

I can just imagine either of you getting all giddy when the other posts about:

A) The Fed
Terrorism
C) 9/11
D) Zionism
E) Anything else deemed as a 'conpsiracy'

It's funny to watch. It really is.

I'd love to read your PM's with each other.

Holy...

reality much?

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Holy...

reality much?

Exactly.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Exactly.

Look around perhaps?

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Look around perhaps?

Look at less conpsiracy sites perhaps?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Look at less conpsiracy sites perhaps?

Nope that's not it. Sorry.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Nope that's not it. Sorry.

Enlighten me oh wise one of the Synergy message board's Moving Train section.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Enlighten me oh wise one of the Synergy message board's Moving Train section.

It's all there on the wall already.

VINNY GOOMBA

BinFrog wrote:

I swear you two are the same person.

I can just imagine either of you getting all giddy when the other posts about:

A) The Fed
Terrorism
C) 9/11
D) Zionism
E) Anything else deemed as a 'conpsiracy'

It's funny to watch. It really is.

I'd love to read your PM's with each other.

What is your stance on the Federal Reserve System? Do you think it is necessary? Is it corrupt? Could we live without it? Would we prosper without it?

yahamita

http://www.zeigeistmovie.com
got my attention to the "Federal(NOT gov't related at all!!!) Reserve" and the banking system.

Model Roll Model

BinFrog wrote:

I swear you two are the same person.

I can just imagine either of you getting all giddy when the other posts about:

A) The Fed
Terrorism
C) 9/11
D) Zionism
E) Anything else deemed as a 'conpsiracy'

It's funny to watch. It really is.

I'd love to read your PM's with each other.

hahahaha.
Touche

DriftingByTheStorm

yahamita wrote:

http://www.zeigeistmovie.com
got my attention to the "Federal(NOT gov't related at all!!!) Reserve" and the banking system.

Money Masters is a more historically in depth, accurate, and less ideologically idiotic representation of the Federal Reserve.

Some of what zeitgeist has to say is worthwhile.
Some of it is crap.
The entire premise ("no money", "money is evil") of the 2nd Zeitgeist, is just plain dumb. Even the ancient tribes of this world (like the native americans) often used systems of exchange (termed "money").


I found a lot of interesting points regarding "money" on this blog. The guy has some valid points.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's all there on the wall already.

Ah yes, your canned response du jour. Good stuff.

BinFrog

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

What is your stance on the Federal Reserve System? Do you think it is necessary? Is it corrupt? Could we live without it? Would we prosper without it?

I don't claim to be an expert on it, nor do I post conspiracy websites and then laugh/smirk with an implied "Oh boy, here we go, I told you so" each and every time.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Ah yes, your canned response du jour. Good stuff.

No really it is....it literally is. Scroll up...take a look for yourself.

You can use the slider bar at the right side of your browser, and click the left mouse button, or use the scroll wheel on your mouse (if equipped) and click.

VINNY GOOMBA

BinFrog wrote:

I don't claim to be an expert on it, nor do I post conspiracy websites and then laugh/smirk with an implied "Oh boy, here we go, I told you so" each and every time.

Understood. I don't think anyone can actually claim to be an expert on it, except for those who are actually IN IT. I would say that's a huge part of the problem. I don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to see a lot of what these guys do is pretty criminal, and their policies aren't helping you or me out. I would hate to see people turned off against fighting this system just because there are some people who are really passionate about it, and who use videos with some music and editing that can be viewed as "sensational" as means to educate. There is a lot of good information in those videos-- and these days, how are you supposed to capture the attention of the American public without a little razzle dazzle ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

This video is straight out of education-ville in terms of its length, and potential to bore you to tears (I thought it was pretty interesting myself, though)-- there's really nothing "tin-foil hat" about it. If you have sometime, check it out. Even if you just play it in the background at work, and keep the window minimized, it does a great job of explaining things.

yiorgis

I agree that is not necessary to be a conspiracy theorist to understand that economical forces have taken control of human societies. If you can control the economy of a country then you can control the whole country

BinFrog

yiorgis wrote:

I agree that is not necessary to be a conspiracy theorist to understand that economical forces have taken control of human societies. If you can control the economy of a country then you can control the whole country

That is not a statement I would argue against.