They can provide sources that are not so clearly propaganda or arguments that convince me it is worth my time. This hasn't happened yet. I still fail to see what I should be worried about... the argument seems to be that Obama denies being part of or aware of a group that so far has done nothing other than have a few small secret talks to explore the possibility of forming an NAU like the one that has transformed the European economy very successfully. I'm not losing sleep over this, nor does this convince me that Barack Obama is some sort of sleeper agent of evil not to be trusted. I've seen the man speak publicly for almost a year and he often stumbles and stammers and speaks very carefully and cautiously. That doesn't scare me and I'm not going to get myself into a tizzy about it. Let's be honest here, the OP would not have been happy with any response other than "I know the NAU and all the people involved in it are evil to the core and I will make it my first mission in office to round them all up and throw them in prison regardless of whether or not they have broken the law." The man's entire campaign was run on the idea that he is not omniscient and is willing to hear everyone out and choose the wisest course of action. So he didn't want to put his foot in his mouth by passing judgment on some group he's probably not hugely familiar with... what's the big deal?
Interesting. Are you willing to fast-forward into the video to just witness Obama for yourself? and stop, and then respond to me about what your gut instinct tells you? The clip of Obama is factual evidence that exists independent of how it's dressed up with slant and bias.
Is it possible to look at something for what it is, and then assess it? Beyond the bias? I say yes. I do it all the time and call it discerning information. For me it's about not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's about being realistic in each situation, in each moment in the present, beyond what one would see as my view/ideology or Roland's, or whomever.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Interesting. Are you willing to fast-forward into the video to just witness Obama for yourself? and stop, and then respond to me about what your gut instinct tells you? The clip of Obama is factual evidence that exists independent of how it's dressed up with slant and bias.
Is it possible to look at something for what it is, and then assess it? Beyond the bias? I say yes. I do it all the time and call is discerning information. For me it's about not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's about being realistic in each situation, in each moment in the present, beyond what one would see has my view/ideology or Roland's, or whomever.
Not at the moment, but perhaps later just to shut you all up. Right now, I've wasted enough time as it is and I've got work that needs to be done.
Not at the moment, but perhaps later just to shut you all up. Right now, I've wasted enough time as it is and I've got work that needs to be done.
Cool. I'm looking for your honest impression given the variables of the clip, at that time period, and in the context of Obama as an American politician given what you think he'd be likely to know/not know... You seem as though you are a reasonbly savvy individual.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"The belief that a North American Union is currently being planned and implemented in secret has become widespread, so much so that the NAU has become a topic of debate during the 2008 American presidential campaigns and the subject of various U.S. Congressional resolutions[10][11] designed to thwart its implementation.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
He didn't even remember the name...he had to get the guy in the audience who asked the question help him complete the term itself.
He revealed himself completely by admitting knowing who exactly was talking about it in particular, and somehow he knows enough to say that it doesn't really exist.
So how exactly does Obama know all this if he can't even remember the term itself?
Can't remember the name, but knows a bunch of stuff about it enough to give a definitive answer. Right. The audience was oblivious.
Quite simply he's a liar, and he consciously lied to people at this town hall meeting.
If you want a breakdown of it ...
The guy's question was pretty long, several questions actually ... and he talked about a few things, including the NAU, the Amero, etc ... so, Obama needed a little help with what the last word after "North America" would be ... jeez, the guy is on the campaign trail forever, he pauses once and you want to scream "conspiracy!!!"?
He didn't lie ... he admitted to knowing about the idea of the NAU.
Indeed, he knew what the guy was talking about ... but, he said it's not happening ... which, I still see no proof of it happening to the extent you think it's happening.
I still think you're REALLY reaching here.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
The guy's question was pretty long, several questions actually ... and he talked about a few things, including the NAU, the Amero, etc ... so, Obama needed a little help with what the last word after "North America" would be ... jeez, the guy is on the campaign trail forever, he pauses once and you want to scream "conspiracy!!!"?
He didn't lie ... he admitted to knowing about the idea of the NAU.
Indeed, he knew what the guy was talking about ... but, he said it's not happening ... which, I still see no proof of it happening to the extent you think it's happening.
I still think you're REALLY reaching here.
How can you not know the actual name of something and then turn around and pretend to give a qualified answer? Isn't that a bit of an impossibility?
He would have been better off saying he has no clue at all...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How can you not know the actual name of something and then turn around and pretend to give a qualified answer? Isn't that a bit of an impossibility?
He would have been better off saying he has no clue at all...
Again, he tripped up on the word after "North America" ... perhaps he thought the guy was talking about the Amero, not necessarily Union (as he also mentioned in his question) ... he didn't dodge the question, he answered it. He tripped up on ONE WORD ... that doens't mean there's some secret printing locaiton minting Ameros as we speak.
This is like watching a personal foul in football in slow motion ...
Of course, after 100 viewings of the specific incident over and over, it looks real bad ... but, taken in context of the entire "play" (so to speak) ... it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
again, you're reaching.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Again, he tripped up on the word after "North America" ... perhaps he thought the guy was talking about the Amero, not necessarily Union (as he also mentioned in his question) ... he didn't dodge the question, he answered it. He tripped up on ONE WORD ... that doens't mean there's some secret printing locaiton minting Ameros as we speak.
This is like watching a personal foul in football in slow motion ...
Of course, after 100 viewings of the specific incident over and over, it looks real bad ... but, taken in context of the entire "play" (so to speak) ... it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
again, you're reaching.
Next excuse will be he didn't sleep at a holiday Inn the night before.
In reality it's not something that was "ginned up by bloggers".
So he either really does not know anything about it, and is just pretending to, or he is lying.
Actually that's lying either way.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Their website used to include a huge picture of the proposed highway proudly displayed...not any more.
All in secrecy this whole thing was hatched and planned. Zero public involvement.
thinking of this one? : http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2760.htm
(Alberta Ministry of Transportation's website).
I think I've seen a more elaborate map before, but don't remember the source
Yet again, people in this thread are arguing with you just to defend Obama. I don’t get the ‘give him a chance’ stance… seems a lot of people think their personal political responsibility ends at the voting booth. It floors me....you would think that people would at least take a slight interest, based on the fact that their president elect 'could' be lying about something very important...but no, let's give him the benefit of the doubt...enough rope...If anyone doubts the SPP, and believes that plans for further continental integration aren't a serious concern, they need to ask themselves why there have been mass protests every time they've admitted to meeting about it....then ask why they have no clue what is being protested.
obviously, a LOT of people think it's important enough to protest...
all discussions on the subject have been conducted with no oversight, neither publicly nor via our representatives....
Obama may be lying about his knowledge/involvement in it's planning/implementation...
nope, not intrigued....I'll wait and see.
This encompasses EVERYTHING. The economy, healthcare/social programs, immigration, rights and freedoms, the works! And it's no big deal that they're discussing it without oversight?
thinking of this one? : http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2760.htm
(Alberta Ministry of Transportation's website).
I think I've seen a more elaborate map before, but don't remember the source
Yet again, people in this thread are arguing with you just to defend Obama. I don’t get the ‘give him a chance’ stance… seems a lot of people think their personal political responsibility ends at the voting booth. It floors me....you would think that people would at least take a slight interest, based on the fact that their president elect 'could' be lying about something very important...but no, let's give him the benefit of the doubt...enough rope...If anyone doubts the SPP, and believes that plans for further continental integration aren't a serious concern, they need to ask themselves why there have been mass protests every time they've admitted to meeting about it....then ask why they have no clue what is being protested.
obviously, a LOT of people think it's important enough to protest...
all discussions on the subject have been conducted with no oversight, neither publicly nor via our representatives....
Obama may be lying about his knowledge/involvement in it's planning/implementation...
nope, not intrigued....I'll wait and see.
This encompasses EVERYTHING. The economy, healthcare/social programs, immigration, rights and freedoms, the works! And it's no big deal that they're discussing it without oversight?
Yes it was extremely similar to that map, actually (figured I'd Google it) It was this one:
used to be loud and proud on their page, NASCO.... it's all coming back now.
I don't get people....don't knock the messiah.... People gave Bush a free pass, look what happened....he destroyed the country in under 8 years.
Hey! Let's do that all over again....wheeee!!
Oversight is for crazy, suspicious, paranoid, conspiracy people. Life's existence as we know it from A - Z could be going under the knife for open heart surgery to suit greedy corporate interests??? Bah...who cares...let em talk....it's perfectly harmless.
....kinda blows my mind really.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
seriously guys, you have to be able to do better then this...
Ok. Explain to me how he didn't lie to people on this.
This is actually pretty serious. This was not something "ginned up by bloggers".
He should have just admitted he has no clue. That much is pretty damn obvious.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
used to be loud and proud on their page, NASCO.... it's all coming back now.
I don't get people....don't knock the messiah.... People gave Bush a free pass, look what happened....he destroyed the country in under 8 years.
Hey! Let's do that all over again....wheeee!!
Oversight is for crazy, suspicious, paranoid, conspiracy people. Life's existence as we know it from A - Z could be going under the knife for open heart surgery to suit greedy corporate interests??? Bah...who cares...let em talk....it's perfectly harmless.
....kinda blows my mind really.
It has NOTHING to do with not knocking the "messiah" ... but the fact you call him that tells me just what your intentions and feelings are.
When that thread about manditory service was up ... we was in their bitching just like you ... about HRC's potential naming as SoS, there are several Obama supporters who disapprove.
But, you cry wolf at every single potential conspiracy theory.
You seem like a smart guy, certianly well read ... you have to realize, if you bitch at every .... little ... thing ... your voice is not going to be heard or taken seriously.
The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and renaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.
Well, that, and insults like "they are just following the messiah" ...
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and remaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.
...
With all due respect, you are misunderstanding what Roland is saying.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It has NOTHING to do with not knocking the "messiah" ... but the fact you call him that tells me just what your intentions and feelings are.
When that thread about manditory service was up ... we was in their bitching just like you ... about HRC's potential naming as SoS, there are several Obama supporters who disapprove.
But, you cry wolf at every single potential conspiracy theory.
You seem like a smart guy, certianly well read ... you have to realize, if you bitch at every .... little ... thing ... your voice is not going to be heard or taken seriously.
The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and renaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.
Well, that, and insults like "they are just following the messiah" ...
Ok....Explain to me how this was all according to Obama merely "ginned up by bloggers"
It is what it is....and what it was. He is absolutely clueless about it, and highly misleading a group of people. It's also irresponsible. Where's the honesty?
There's no excuse this time. Sorry.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
he's saying that becuase Obama stumbled on one word ... he's lying to us ...
a fucking stumble ... something every single Obama hater makes fun of him for ...
one stumble ... and it's 100% proof he is lying to us.
that's what he's saying ... and he's wrong.
nope try again...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The only concession that can be reached here is he's absolutely clueless on the SPP/NAU agreement.
I think he should realize that, be honest, and say that he needs to seriously look into into it instead of just pretending to, and deeming nonsense as fact.
But no.... somehow it was merely "cooked up by bloggers" and it's nothing really. tut...tut...
So where is he getting this ridiculous misinformation from?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ok....Explain to me how this was all according to Obama merely "ginned up by bloggers"
It is what it is....and what it was. He is absolutely clueless about it, and highly misleading a group of people. It's also irresponsible. Where's the honesty?
There's no excuse this time. Sorry.
so, he has heard about it, he siad he heard Paul talk about it... he didn't deny it ... what part of that didn't you hear?
Ginned up ... not created by bloggers, but blown out of proportion ... which, certianly appears to be the case based on the reports you pointed me to ... and the fact, years later ... there's nothing relavent to report.
When I asked if anything recent has come up, even YOU said it's all died down and there is nothing being discussed.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
so, he has heard about it, he siad he heard Paul talk about it... he didn't deny it ... what part of that didn't you hear?
Ginned up ... not created by bloggers, but blown out of proportion ... which, certianly appears to be the case based on the reports you pointed me to ... and the fact, years later ... there's nothing relavent to report.
When I asked if anything recent has come up, even YOU said it's all died down and there is nothing being discussed.
Has been toned down in the media...not in the back rooms for discussion. There was/is over 20 cross border committees working on this program.
Ginned...cooked ...same thing. Semantics.
100% clueless of the factual details, and misleading people.
Take a good look, that's what misinformation looks like.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Canadian military affected by US influence...check.
Canadian Drivers licenses being forced to become Americanized....check
Attempt to influence exports Canadian natural resources to the US...check
Mexican security infrastructure more Americanized...check.
Canadian seciruty infrastructure more Americanized...check
"Since March 2005, the Harper government has been advancing the SPP agenda through administrative changes and budgetary measures. Despite the absence of major announcements, several departments have quietly committed to regulatory changes including the harmonization of trade rules and security practices. This incremental approach operates under the radar screen of public scrutiny because the Conservative government knows that Canadians would reject a major agreement that laid out the entire strategy. Cross border working groups have been initiated in many sectors including manufacturing, shipping, transportation, energy, telecommunications, health and the environment, financial services, business development and agriculture. SPP proponents argue that there is no alternative to the SPP."
"Is the government investing in the SPP?
Yes. The federal government has made major investments in border security and infrastructure that paves the way to continental integration with the US and Mexico. In Budget 2007, the Conservatives allocated billions of taxpayer dollars to the construction of multi-modal corridors that will move an ever-increasing share of our resource wealth south of the border.
From Budget 2007:
* $2.1 billion for the national fund for gateways and border crossings.
* $1.26 billion for public-private partnerships including border development.
* $2.275 billion for national priorities including trade-related infrastructure."
So far I can see no evidence whatsoever of it going on....
nice try guys though...some pretty hilarious and troubling excuses all around. I like the I don't know anything about it, but I know you're wrong because Obama excuse.....overall 6/10
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Canadian military affected by US influence...check.
Canadian Drivers licenses being forced to become Americanized....check
Attempt to influence exports Canadian natural resources to the US...check
Mexican security infrastructure more Americanized...check.
Canadian seciruty infrastructure more Americanized...check
"Since March 2005, the Harper government has been advancing the SPP agenda through administrative changes and budgetary measures. Despite the absence of major announcements, several departments have quietly committed to regulatory changes including the harmonization of trade rules and security practices. This incremental approach operates under the radar screen of public scrutiny because the Conservative government knows that Canadians would reject a major agreement that laid out the entire strategy. Cross border working groups have been initiated in many sectors including manufacturing, shipping, transportation, energy, telecommunications, health and the environment, financial services, business development and agriculture. SPP proponents argue that there is no alternative to the SPP."
"Is the government investing in the SPP?
Yes. The federal government has made major investments in border security and infrastructure that paves the way to continental integration with the US and Mexico. In Budget 2007, the Conservatives allocated billions of taxpayer dollars to the construction of multi-modal corridors that will move an ever-increasing share of our resource wealth south of the border.
From Budget 2007:
* $2.1 billion for the national fund for gateways and border crossings.
* $1.26 billion for public-private partnerships including border development.
* $2.275 billion for national priorities including trade-related infrastructure."
So far I can see no evidence whatsoever of it going on....
nice try guys though...some pretty hilarious and troubling excuses all around. I like the I don't know anything about it, but I know you're wrong because Obama excuse.....overall 6/10
Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?
The green party of Canada is Alex Jones?
hmm....
really?
If you can show me two Alex Jones links, that I've posted in this month alone or even the past few months, I'll give you $100.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?
Well raising awareness in a community is doing something, and if Roland posts in more than one board he is actually doing something relevant, he is making other people aware of his ideas. Unfortunately he is so radically convinced of what he says that he has become another black/white debater who leaves absolutely no place for discussion and ultimately fails in his attemps to actually make someone else consider his ideas and hence be more aware of what is happening in between the world's lines. But at least he does try.
(sorry for the use of 3rd person while you are in the thread - it served my point).
Well raising awareness in a community is doing something, and if Roland posts in more than one board he is actually doing something relevant, he is making other people aware of his ideas. Unfortunately he is so radically convinced of what he says that he has become another black/white debater who leaves absolutely no place for discussion and ultimately fails in his attemps to actually make someone else consider his ideas and hence be more aware of what is happening in between the world's lines. But at least he does try.
(sorry for the use of 3rd person while you are in the thread - it served my point).
It is somewhat of a lame argument, and assessment I agree. They call it the information highway for a reason. Unless I start holding town hall meetings, this medium far outweighs pounding the streets, and cold calling people. The internet can be used to reach thousands from one point of instance, while allowing time for the information flow to remain current and inbound. Very key.
Radical/black/white is somewhat a relative term according to the amount of information one has digested on the issue. After a while the picture becomes clearer and clearer once all the surrounding variables are understood. I would say very, very low percentages of Obama supporters actually understand how Israel plays in to all this Obama change rhetoric.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
With all due respect, you are misunderstanding what Roland is saying.
obama in that clip makes me think of parts of black bush from chappelle's show
oil? what? who said something bout oil? bitch, you cookin?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
Interesting. Are you willing to fast-forward into the video to just witness Obama for yourself? and stop, and then respond to me about what your gut instinct tells you? The clip of Obama is factual evidence that exists independent of how it's dressed up with slant and bias.
Is it possible to look at something for what it is, and then assess it? Beyond the bias? I say yes. I do it all the time and call it discerning information. For me it's about not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's about being realistic in each situation, in each moment in the present, beyond what one would see as my view/ideology or Roland's, or whomever.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Not at the moment, but perhaps later just to shut you all up.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"The belief that a North American Union is currently being planned and implemented in secret has become widespread, so much so that the NAU has become a topic of debate during the 2008 American presidential campaigns and the subject of various U.S. Congressional resolutions[10][11] designed to thwart its implementation.
i.e.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/hc40_ih.xml
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc109/hc487_ih.xml
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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If you want a breakdown of it ...
The guy's question was pretty long, several questions actually ... and he talked about a few things, including the NAU, the Amero, etc ... so, Obama needed a little help with what the last word after "North America" would be ... jeez, the guy is on the campaign trail forever, he pauses once and you want to scream "conspiracy!!!"?
He didn't lie ... he admitted to knowing about the idea of the NAU.
Indeed, he knew what the guy was talking about ... but, he said it's not happening ... which, I still see no proof of it happening to the extent you think it's happening.
I still think you're REALLY reaching here.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
How can you not know the actual name of something and then turn around and pretend to give a qualified answer? Isn't that a bit of an impossibility?
He would have been better off saying he has no clue at all...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Again, he tripped up on the word after "North America" ... perhaps he thought the guy was talking about the Amero, not necessarily Union (as he also mentioned in his question) ... he didn't dodge the question, he answered it. He tripped up on ONE WORD ... that doens't mean there's some secret printing locaiton minting Ameros as we speak.
This is like watching a personal foul in football in slow motion ...
Of course, after 100 viewings of the specific incident over and over, it looks real bad ... but, taken in context of the entire "play" (so to speak) ... it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
again, you're reaching.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Next excuse will be he didn't sleep at a holiday Inn the night before.
In reality it's not something that was "ginned up by bloggers".
So he either really does not know anything about it, and is just pretending to, or he is lying.
Actually that's lying either way.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2760.htm
(Alberta Ministry of Transportation's website).
I think I've seen a more elaborate map before, but don't remember the source
Yet again, people in this thread are arguing with you just to defend Obama. I don’t get the ‘give him a chance’ stance… seems a lot of people think their personal political responsibility ends at the voting booth. It floors me....you would think that people would at least take a slight interest, based on the fact that their president elect 'could' be lying about something very important...but no, let's give him the benefit of the doubt...enough rope...If anyone doubts the SPP, and believes that plans for further continental integration aren't a serious concern, they need to ask themselves why there have been mass protests every time they've admitted to meeting about it....then ask why they have no clue what is being protested.
obviously, a LOT of people think it's important enough to protest...
all discussions on the subject have been conducted with no oversight, neither publicly nor via our representatives....
Obama may be lying about his knowledge/involvement in it's planning/implementation...
nope, not intrigued....I'll wait and see.
This encompasses EVERYTHING. The economy, healthcare/social programs, immigration, rights and freedoms, the works! And it's no big deal that they're discussing it without oversight?
Yes it was extremely similar to that map, actually (figured I'd Google it) It was this one:
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/gif/Nafta-Map-Big.jpg
used to be loud and proud on their page, NASCO.... it's all coming back now.
I don't get people....don't knock the messiah.... People gave Bush a free pass, look what happened....he destroyed the country in under 8 years.
Hey! Let's do that all over again....wheeee!!
Oversight is for crazy, suspicious, paranoid, conspiracy people. Life's existence as we know it from A - Z could be going under the knife for open heart surgery to suit greedy corporate interests??? Bah...who cares...let em talk....it's perfectly harmless.
....kinda blows my mind really.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
seriously guys, you have to be able to do better then this...
Ok. Explain to me how he didn't lie to people on this.
This is actually pretty serious. This was not something "ginned up by bloggers".
He should have just admitted he has no clue. That much is pretty damn obvious.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It has NOTHING to do with not knocking the "messiah" ... but the fact you call him that tells me just what your intentions and feelings are.
When that thread about manditory service was up ... we was in their bitching just like you ... about HRC's potential naming as SoS, there are several Obama supporters who disapprove.
But, you cry wolf at every single potential conspiracy theory.
You seem like a smart guy, certianly well read ... you have to realize, if you bitch at every .... little ... thing ... your voice is not going to be heard or taken seriously.
The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and renaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.
Well, that, and insults like "they are just following the messiah" ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
he's saying that becuase Obama stumbled on one word ... he's lying to us ...
a fucking stumble ... something every single Obama hater makes fun of him for ...
one stumble ... and it's 100% proof he is lying to us.
that's what he's saying ... and he's wrong.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Ok....Explain to me how this was all according to Obama merely "ginned up by bloggers"
It is what it is....and what it was. He is absolutely clueless about it, and highly misleading a group of people. It's also irresponsible. Where's the honesty?
There's no excuse this time. Sorry.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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nope try again...
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I think he should realize that, be honest, and say that he needs to seriously look into into it instead of just pretending to, and deeming nonsense as fact.
But no.... somehow it was merely "cooked up by bloggers" and it's nothing really. tut...tut...
So where is he getting this ridiculous misinformation from?
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so, he has heard about it, he siad he heard Paul talk about it... he didn't deny it ... what part of that didn't you hear?
Ginned up ... not created by bloggers, but blown out of proportion ... which, certianly appears to be the case based on the reports you pointed me to ... and the fact, years later ... there's nothing relavent to report.
When I asked if anything recent has come up, even YOU said it's all died down and there is nothing being discussed.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Has been toned down in the media...not in the back rooms for discussion. There was/is over 20 cross border committees working on this program.
Ginned...cooked ...same thing. Semantics.
100% clueless of the factual details, and misleading people.
Take a good look, that's what misinformation looks like.
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off the top of my head:
Canadian military affected by US influence...check.
Canadian Drivers licenses being forced to become Americanized....check
Attempt to influence exports Canadian natural resources to the US...check
Mexican security infrastructure more Americanized...check.
Canadian seciruty infrastructure more Americanized...check
"Since March 2005, the Harper government has been advancing the SPP agenda through administrative changes and budgetary measures. Despite the absence of major announcements, several departments have quietly committed to regulatory changes including the harmonization of trade rules and security practices. This incremental approach operates under the radar screen of public scrutiny because the Conservative government knows that Canadians would reject a major agreement that laid out the entire strategy. Cross border working groups have been initiated in many sectors including manufacturing, shipping, transportation, energy, telecommunications, health and the environment, financial services, business development and agriculture. SPP proponents argue that there is no alternative to the SPP."
"Is the government investing in the SPP?
Yes. The federal government has made major investments in border security and infrastructure that paves the way to continental integration with the US and Mexico. In Budget 2007, the Conservatives allocated billions of taxpayer dollars to the construction of multi-modal corridors that will move an ever-increasing share of our resource wealth south of the border.
From Budget 2007:
* $2.1 billion for the national fund for gateways and border crossings.
* $1.26 billion for public-private partnerships including border development.
* $2.275 billion for national priorities including trade-related infrastructure."
So far I can see no evidence whatsoever of it going on....
http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/spp_FAQ#7.
nice try guys though...some pretty hilarious and troubling excuses all around. I like the I don't know anything about it, but I know you're wrong because Obama excuse.....overall 6/10
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Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?
The green party of Canada is Alex Jones?
hmm....
really?
If you can show me two Alex Jones links, that I've posted in this month alone or even the past few months, I'll give you $100.
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and I'm right.
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(sorry for the use of 3rd person while you are in the thread - it served my point).
It is somewhat of a lame argument, and assessment I agree. They call it the information highway for a reason. Unless I start holding town hall meetings, this medium far outweighs pounding the streets, and cold calling people. The internet can be used to reach thousands from one point of instance, while allowing time for the information flow to remain current and inbound. Very key.
Radical/black/white is somewhat a relative term according to the amount of information one has digested on the issue. After a while the picture becomes clearer and clearer once all the surrounding variables are understood. I would say very, very low percentages of Obama supporters actually understand how Israel plays in to all this Obama change rhetoric.
This guy makes some really candid points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0D-WLu8Ws4
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obama in that clip makes me think of parts of black bush from chappelle's show
oil? what? who said something bout oil? bitch, you cookin?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way