Obama not sure if he's CFR member...denies SPP/NAU, says it was cooked up by bloggers

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Try to ignore the sheep parts...and the Hannity/Luntz piece at the end....a bit over the top.

Obama Town Hall event in Lancaster PA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovq9j8cJSc

CFR? ummmm...heh...I'm not sure...silly CFR...it's nothing really. Member... not a member...I don't know. I don't have a special CFR card...so... I don't really know for sure.

SPP/NAU....no, it doesn't exist.... I know nothing about it....I even have trouble remembering the name...silly conspiracy bloggers. Pay it no mind...

next question please...


Time will tell. In any event...words from the man himself.

bootlegger10

http://www.cfr.org/publication/4280/future_of_north_american_integration_in_the_wake_of_the_terrorist_attacks.html

October of 2001 summary from CFR's own website talking about how 9/11 might affect the prospects of a North American Union. In print on their own website.

And yet Obama has never heard of this, and denies it is being talked about.

jimed14

bootlegger10 wrote:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/4280/future_of_north_american_integration_in_the_wake_of_the_terrorist_attacks.html

October of 2001 summary from CFR's own website talking about how 9/11 might affect the prospects of a North American Union. In print on their own website.

And yet Obama has never heard of this, and denies it is being talked about.

In 2001, Obama was in the State Senate and 3 years away form getting his US Senate seat ... do you know when he spoke at this CFR? or when Michelle Obama became a member?

I went on their site and cannot find any recent articles on this NAU plan ..

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jimed14 wrote:

In 2001, Obama was in the State Senate and 3 years away form getting his US Senate seat ... do you know when he spoke at this CFR? or when Michelle Obama became a member?

I went on their site and cannot find any recent articles on this NAU plan ..

This CFR?...dude it's *THE* CFR...

SPP/NAU
http://spp.gov/

Funny how he says the North American...wha?

and then goes on to say, Bloggers, and Ron Paul have been talking about it and made it up.

uhm....talking about what? the north American...wha???? the North American wha??? the who???

cmon...that's ridiculous. He knows nothing about it, except that's it from Blogger(sssss)
and Ron Paul talkks about it, but it's totally a non entity.

Sound like he's never heard about it....can't even remember the name actually.... :rolleyes:

AFAIK... this speech was on March 31, 2008

unifiedscene

i like that obama is too inexperienced to be president, while at the same time so poised that 8 years ago he was part of an elite organization bent on world domination. kind of like how he's a muslim terrorist in disguise, while simultaneously wrong for attending a christian church that's too radical. the man can't win... and he's not even in office yet!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

unifiedscene wrote:

i like that obama is too inexperienced to be president, while at the same time so poised that 8 years ago he was part of an elite organization bent on world domination. kind of like how he's a muslim terrorist in disguise, while simultaneously wrong for attending a christian church that's too radical. the man can't win... and he's not even in office yet!

Explain why he has no clue what the NAU is in 2008.

I think the excuses need to stop.

jimed14

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Explain why he has no clue what the NAU is in 2008.

I think the excuses need to stop.

Ok, you mentioned the (THE) CFR ... and how Obama knows all about it even though the video, he doesn't seem to be heavily involved (his statement) ...

Then you set up the link to the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America) ... which does include this in its Myths vs Fact section ...

http://spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress.

Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans.

So, I'd assume Obama would know about the SPP ...

But, as far as an NAU ... it also states this ...

Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at http://www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.


So, where is this NAU talk coming from?

And I'm not seeing how this is tied to the (THE) CFR ...

I went on their website (CFR) and found no articles other than the one posted in 2001 about a supposed North American Union.

Again ... just trying to understand what you're worried about here ...

unifiedscene

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Explain why he has no clue what the NAU is in 2008.

I think the excuses need to stop.

Because I have no clue what the NAU is in 2008. Sounds like a glorified NAFTA. What's the worry?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jimed14 wrote:

Ok, you mentioned the (THE) CFR ... and how Obama knows all about it even though the video, he doesn't seem to be heavily involved (his statement) ...

Then you set up the link to the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America) ... which does include this in its Myths vs Fact section ...

http://spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress.

Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans.

So, I'd assume Obama would know about the SPP ...

But, as far as an NAU ... it also states this ...

Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at http://www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.


So, where is this NAU talk coming from?

And I'm not seeing how this is tied to the (THE) CFR ...

I went on their website (CFR) and found no articles other than the one posted in 2001 about a supposed North American Union.

Again ... just trying to understand what you're worried about here ...

They changed the name, but rest assured this is the one and same entity doing the one and same thing as the NAU...same people......the SPP/NAU terms are synonymous and interchangeable. I first told people about here over a year ago.

You need to do a lot of research on what the CFR is, I did mine years ago.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

unifiedscene wrote:

Because I have no clue what the NAU is in 2008. Sounds like a glorified NAFTA. What's the worry?

This is the reason why we are in the situations we are in. Everyone watches TV to get informed.

jimed14

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

They changed the name, but rest assured this is the one and same entity doing the one and same thing as the NAU...same people......the SPP/NAU terms are synonymous and interchangeable. I first told people about here over a year ago.

You need to do a lot of research on what the CFR is, I did mine years ago.

ok, I'm asking you ... can you point me in the direction of the research?

You've been studying it for years, should be easy for you to point me in the direction of a few articles to get me concerned.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I dug these links from a post I made here in August 2007.

http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/backgrounders/guide/index.html

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1355300745194023737

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1423048425357282639&hl=en-CA

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6572

http://www.infowars.net/articles/august2007/200807SPP.htm

jimed14

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I dug these links from a post I made here in August 2007.

http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/backgrounders/guide/index.html

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1355300745194023737

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1423048425357282639&hl=en-CA

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6572

http://www.infowars.net/articles/august2007/200807SPP.htm

thank you ... I will read them ...

Has anything happened since August of 2007 that has you more concerned?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jimed14 wrote:

thank you ... I will read them ...

Has anything happened since August of 2007 that has you more concerned?

Other than it getting incredibly quiet, as there has been literally zero information to go on. Pretty much a media black out. It's all hush hush now. Even all their websites have been changed and toned down due to all the negativity it created. Back peddle big time, such as that myth and facts section creation. Once people reacted to it, they countered accordingly, and toned it all down.

Their website used to include a huge picture of the proposed highway proudly displayed...not any more.

All in secrecy this whole thing was hatched and planned. Zero public involvement.

in nutshell, the entire infrastructure of all three countries would form into one entity from education , resources, military, banks, currency.....so many things....literally everything.

The terms Canada, US, and Mexico would just become formalities on a map

jimed14

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Other than it getting incredibly quiet, as there has been literally zero information to go on. Pretty much a media black out. It's all hush hush now. Even all their websites have been changed and toned down due to all the negativity it created. Back peddle big time, such as that myth and facts section creation. Once people reacted to it, they countered accordingly, and toned it all down.

Their website used to include a huge picture of the proposed highway proudly displayed...not any more.

All in secrecy this whole thing was hatched and planned. Zero public involvement.

in nutshell, the entire infrastructure of all three countries would form into one entity from education , resources, military, banks, currency.....so many things....literally everything.

The terms Canada, US, and Mexico would just become formalities on a map

seriously, I cannot see this being any sort of priority right now ...

good to know about, but, again, it's no where near the top of the agenda at current.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jimed14 wrote:

seriously, I cannot see this being any sort of priority right now ...

good to know about, but, again, it's no where near the top of the agenda at current.

The are more pressing issues for sure, however this is not going away overnight. This plan is still being worked on in private circles away from public scrutiny and awareness. The fact that Obama hasn't heard anything about it, and thinks it's not real, and has simply been been cooked up by bloggers really does not sit well at all....it makes no sense whatsoever.

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The fact that Obama hasn't heard anything about it, and thinks it's not real, and has simply been been cooked up by bloggers really does not sit well at all....it makes no sense whatsoever.

And I'm not sure it's even a 'fact' to begin with....

(although he may claim it...)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

And I'm not sure it's even a 'fact' to begin with....

(although he may claim it...)

This article was talking about NORTHCOM a year ago. What has bush done with NORTHCOM lately? He's pulled a bunch of troops from Iraq, butchered posse comitatus, and now even Rahm is talking mandatory service.

The danger here is Obama gets wide support to carry out the same back office practices with renewed support, in the name of something else which everyone will trust him on, and place hope in. Very dangerous to not scrutinise what is taking place, and just follow along, especially when he feigning ignorance on the issue.

It reeks.

My gut feeling is Obama is a globalist, and will take the seat, and move all the controls in the name of the war on terror, just like Bush did.

I see the war on terror as a vehicle used to push for globalisation, and Obama is HUGE on fighting the war on/of terror.

Anon

angelica wrote:

And I'm not sure it's even a 'fact' to begin with....

(although he may claim it...)

Do you have any evidence of this, or is this just your opinion?

unifiedscene

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This is the reason why we are in the situations we are in. Everyone watches TV to get informed.

I don't watch tv, except for college football. Try again.

unifiedscene

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The are more pressing issues for sure, however this is not going away overnight. This plan is still being worked on in private circles away from public scrutiny and awareness. The fact that Obama hasn't heard anything about it, and thinks it's not real, and has simply been been cooked up by bloggers really does not sit well at all....it makes no sense whatsoever.

Or perhaps he hasn't heard of it because this is some nutty fringe group of people who have no hope of ever getting this plan off the ground so no one with REAL issues to deal with doesn't give a flying fuck what they're "hatching and planning." It's not like they're going to create some NAU without any government ever taking a look at the plan.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

unifiedscene wrote:

I don't watch tv, except for college football. Try again.

Well you're clearly misinformed on this issue. Where do you get your information from?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

unifiedscene wrote:

Or perhaps he hasn't heard of it because this is some nutty fringe group of people who have no hope of ever getting this plan off the ground so no one with REAL issues to deal with doesn't give a flying fuck what they're "hatching and planning." It's not like they're going to create some NAU without any government ever taking a look at the plan.

Presidents of US, Canada, and Mexico.

sounds really fringe. :rolleyes:

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This article was talking about NORTHCOM a year ago. What has bush done with NORTHCOM lately? He's pulled a bunch of troops from Iraq, butchered posse comitatus, and now even Rahm is talking mandatory service.

The danger here is Obama gets wide support to carry out the same back office practices with renewed support, in the name of something else which everyone will trust him on, and place hope in. Very dangerous to not scrutinise what is taking place, and just follow along, especially when he feigning ignorance on the issue.

It reeks.

My gut feeling is Obama is a globalist, and will take the seat, and move all the controls in the name of the war on terror, just like Bush did.

I see the war on terror as a vehicle used to push for globalisation, and Obama is HUGE on fighting the war on/of terror.

Are you against the war on terror or just against everything Obama?

Being a liberal, I am personally FOR the war on terror and have always been for it. It was the Bush administration who took their eye off that ball.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

Are you against the war on terror or just against everything Obama?

Being a liberal, I am personally FOR the war on terror and have always been for it. It was the Bush administration who took their eye off that ball.

Against it. It's a concocted program to loot and occupy other countries through military force. See PNAC.

Btw...how can you be considered a liberal if you support policies that are more extreme than Bush? Neo-liberal perhaps...hard left?

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This article was talking about NORTHCOM a year ago. What has bush done with NORTHCOM lately? He's pulled a bunch of troops from Iraq, butchered posse comitatus, and now even Rahm is talking mandatory service.

The danger here is Obama gets wide support to carry out the same back office practices with renewed support, in the name of something else which everyone will trust him on, and place hope in. Very dangerous to not scrutinise what is taking place, and just follow along, especially when he feigning ignorance on the issue.

It reeks.

My gut feeling is Obama is a globalist, and will take the seat, and move all the controls in the name of the war on terror, just like Bush did.

I see the war on terror as a vehicle used to push for globalisation, and Obama is HUGE on fighting the war on/of terror.

Oh, I have little doubt he'll take the seat....as our Canadian leaders do...just switch out the characters...

It's scary stuff from top to bottom.....

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Against it. It's a concocted program to loot and occupy other countries through military force. See PNAC.

Btw...how can you be considered a liberal if you support policies that are more extreme than Bush? Neo-liberal perhaps...hard left?

I like to think that I am free thinking liberal. Just because I am a liberal does not mean I am anti-war. Bush was not hard enough on the war on terror as he got too focused on a nation that had zero to do with the attacks of 9/11.

As free thinking liberal, I am also pro capital punishment. And I believe in our rights to bear arms. Though I do believe that needs to be regulated. But that is off subject.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I read this article recently:

http://www.juancole.com/2008/11/afghan-article-says-us-bin-ladin-hunt.html

Another thing that really strikes me as odd, is all this talk about Pakistan and Bin Laden hiding there. If anyone thinks Bin Laden is still in Pakistan with all this talk about him being there (even if he is actually still alive), well, I don't know what else to tell you. Does anyone think Bin Laden, which Obama now has now picked up the "let's attack Pakistan et al to catch the boogeyman" torch, is still sitting there waiting for the bombs to fall?

This guy who has been reported in the late stages of kidney failure, and of which all his taped appearances have been highly suspicious as to their authenticity. All this serves to do is cook up fear an paranoia in order to justify the war on terror.

Finding this guy (who is almost certainly deceased) is some kind of bad joke if I've ever seen one.

dignin

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Presidents of US, Canada, and Mexico.

sounds really fringe. :rolleyes:

hey Roland, since when did we have a president?

unifiedscene

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well you're clearly misinformed on this issue. Where do you get your information from?

random websites, articles sent to me by friends, links on various message boards and newsgroups. apparently the same places you do.

so, at what point was this in any danger of going forward?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

yield6 wrote:

hey Roland, since when did we have a president?

I figured someone would point that out...couldn't be bothered at the time. I have no Idea Canada has a PM despite living here for 37 years.