Senior citizen sent to jail for not keeping his lawn green

RolandTD20Kdrummer

prytoj wrote:

You're telling me that neither the Pops or the daughter could muster up the stuff to get a job a McDonalds for a week or so to pay for some sod?

We can spin this all you want, but the point is personal accountability.
You gotta problem, you find a way to solve it. Man up. 66 is not dead, for pete's sake

Maybe we can get Obama's community organzation to lay down some gub'ment sod on that and solve his problem for him....then we can all give a big cheer for ol' timer and pat ourselves on the back. Way to go us!

Some people have problems. Assuming all is well, I'm sure they are trying to find work and live somehow, as they had to move in with their father/grandfather. One could assume all is not well for that to take place. Putting them in jail for a brown lawn at that point in their lives is simply insane. Heartless actually.

sponger

Adjustable rate mortgages are for people who never learned how to add and subtract.

prytoj

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Some people have problems. Assuming all is well, I'm sure they are trying to find work and live somehow, as they had to move in with their father/grandfather. One could assume all is not well for that to take place. Putting them in jail for a brown lawn at that point in their lives is simply insane. Heartless actually.

But he wasn't put in jail for the lawn, he was put in jail for defiance of a court order he never bothered to show up to contest...two times.

Was he also too broke to go to court?

I've had code violations on rental property, dealt with the city on this or that. I was even thrown in jail a time or two for being stupid when I was a kid, dealt with the courts. I am a homeowner who bought at the height. take it from someone who's seen these things: the story don't wash. simple.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

prytoj wrote:

But he wasn't put in jail for the lawn, he was put in jail for defiance of a court order he never bothered to show up to contest...two times.

Was he also too broke to go to court?

I've had code violations on rental property, dealt with the city on this or that. I was even thrown in jail a time or two for being stupid when I was a kid, dealt with the courts. I am a homeowner who bought at the height. take it from someone who's seen these things: the story don't wash. simple.

average lot size 50 x 100 @ 25 cents per sq foot of sod is $1,250 dollars. Take into account the size of the house and he's looking at $600+ if he can get it at that price.

not exactly free...if his lot was bigger...well...

Who thinks they are actually going to get thrown in jail for grass being brown?

it's a sick reality in my books.....dude...it's grass not building code violations...

give me a break...

Anon

you can't see the grass there anyway from the fucking campaign signs they all have all over their lawns.

prytoj

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

average lot size 50 x 100 @ 25 cents per sq foot of sod is $1,250 dollars. Take into account the size of the house and he's looking at $600+ if he can get it at that price.

not exactly free...if his lot was bigger...well...

Who thinks they are actually going to get thrown in jail for grass being brown?

it's a sick reality in my books.....dude...it's grass not building code violations...

give me a break...

again, for ingnoring a court order, if you dont know you can be thrown in jail,
then we're just wasting time.

But I'm trying to help the future homowners of America here, not the guy who refused to perform his due diligence:

When you buy low and prices go through the roof, don't act like you hit the lottery. You did not make a jump in class. Improve your home, renegotiate your mortgage into a better position.

DO NOT refi to cash out, then buy a bunch of crap on credit. Pay cash for your crap and live within your monthly income. Because ups come down, your a poor student of history if you don't know that.

Expect repairs that will cost you THOUSANDS....air conditioners break, roofs leak, water pipes burst, and yes, grass dies.

Know your local CITY CODE ORDINANCES, not the building codes. Also know your deed restrictions. If you don't like the rules, don't buy.

And lastly, most courts think you don't respect them when you don't show, so it's probably a good idea to do so. If you are seen to be making an effort, you will be met more than halfway.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

prytoj wrote:

again, for ingnoring a court order, if you dont know you can be thrown in jail,
then we're just wasting time.

But I'm trying to help the future homowners of America here, not the guy who refused to perform his due diligence:

When you buy low and prices go through the roof, don't act like you hit the lottery. You did not make a jump in class. Improve your home, renegotiate your mortgage into a better position.

DO NOT refi to cash out, then buy a bunch of crap on credit. Pay cash for your crap and live within your monthly income. Because ups come down, your a poor student of history if you don't know that.

Expect repairs that will cost you THOUSANDS....air conditioners break, roofs leak, water pipes burst, and yes, grass dies.

Know your local CITY CODE ORDINANCES, not the building codes. Also know your deed restrictions. If you don't like the rules, don't buy.

And lastly, most courts think you don't respect them when you don't show, so it's probably a good idea to do so. If you are seen to be making an effort, you will be met more than halfway.

I'm glad I don't live in Florida...

water your lawn or you go to jail...

looney toons...

Where live and let live is for suckers and whimps....

prytoj

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm glad I don't live in Florida...

water your lawn or you go to jail...

looney toons...

Where live and let live is for suckers and whimps....

well, you're right. As a cali native I can honestly say I've lived in better places.

But I'd like to think that at 66 I'd still be able to conquer a sodding challenge like a man. I dunno.

CHANGEinWAVES

sponger wrote:

Fuck Home Owner's Associations. I hate them so goddamn much. They are like the gestapo in my neighborhood. It's unamerican. We're supposed to be able to live however the hell we want.

HOA's should be made illegal. And if I ever have the time to fight a good battle, it will be against the existence of HOA's.

People should not be buying homes as a portfolio enhancement. If a crappy house in your neighborhood is bringing values down, then so what...deal with it.

i agree.... because if any of you recall...I am that neighbor!
I suck at gardening and i've been threatened with a lawsuit from my HOA for pathway lights! WTF!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

prytoj wrote:

well, you're right. As a cali native I can honestly say I've lived in better places.

But I'd like to think that at 66 I'd still be able to conquer a sodding challenge like a man. I dunno.

Depends what kind of time frame you're living in, and what you consider necessities in life. In this guys day, this type of hard balling around over such trivial matters was totally unheard of. This man grew up in a different world, so I don't blame him for not snapping in line like a good little soldier. It's a sad sign of the times imo...

Commy

prytoj wrote:

You're telling me that neither the Pops or the daughter could muster up the stuff to get a job a McDonalds for a week or so to pay for some sod?

We can spin this all you want, but the point is personal accountability.
You gotta problem, you find a way to solve it. Man up. 66 is not dead, for pete's sake

Maybe we can get Obama's community organzation to lay down some gub'ment sod on that and solve his problem for him....then we can all give a big cheer for ol' timer and pat ourselves on the back. Way to go us!

that's not the point though, A 66 year old man is in jail because of a fucking yard. Jail. yard.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

"so....what are you in for?"

"uhh...I didn't water my lawn"

in America...

holy mother of god...

Commy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

"so....what are you in for?"

"uhh...I didn't water my lawn"

in America...

holy mother of god...

"Yeah I"m here for loitering."

"Loitering?"

"Yeah"

"so what are you doing now?"

"Just hanging out, kinda standing here."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Commy wrote:

"Yeah I"m here for loitering."

"Loitering?"

"Yeah"

"so what are you doing now?"

"Just hanging out, kinda standing here."

"Yeah...see that guy over there?"

"Which guy?"

"That guy over there standing around picking his nose"

"Whoa!?...is he in for loitering too?"

"No...he's in for picking his nose"

ccRyderzz

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ok the legal system, and level of compassion for your neighbor in Florida is quite simply f-ed hard in the head.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article847365.ece

" On Friday morning, Joseph Prudente put on a pair of shorts and his "Grandpa Gone Wild" T-shirt. He took off his wedding band and put his heart medication in a plastic Wal-Mart bag.

Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do.

His crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn at his Beacon Woods home.

His bail? Zero.

Prudente, 66, must stay in the Pasco County jail in Land O'Lakes until the required sod work is completed, under a September court order signed by Circuit Judge W. Lowell Bray.

"He's in prison for God knows how long because we can't afford to sod the lawn," said his sobbing daughter, Jennifer Lehr.

Prudente has owned a home in the deed restricted community since 1998. The covenants require homeowners to keep their lawns covered with grass.

Earlier this year, the Beacon Woods Civic Association took Prudente to court after he failed to install new sod on his browning lawn, which had withered after his sprinklers broke. The association had already sent letters telling him to resod his front and back yards by certain dates.

In an interview at the jail Friday evening, Prudente said he thought he had made a good financial hardship case to the association: His adjustable rate mortgage went up an extra $600 a month. Wachovia repossessed his Toyota Scion. His daughter and her two young children, who had fallen on hard times, moved in with him and his wife, Pat.

"To me, keeping the house is more important than the grass," said Prudente, a retired registered nurse from New York. "I just ignored them."

He ignored them, too, after the association filed a complaint in court. He ignored a court order in May, signed by Bray, giving Prudente 30 days to sod the yard.

In June, the court also awarded the association $795 in fees, which included a $645 attorney's fees and a $150 fee for "an expert witness."

By September, there was still no sod. Bray found Prudente in contempt of court, but said in his order that Prudente could "purge himself of this contempt" by doing the required work within the next 30 days. That time expired Friday.

"It is clear to the Court that the ability to avoid incarceration is well within the Defendant's grasp," Bray wrote.

Representatives of the Beacon Woods association expressed regret Prudente had landed in jail. But they said it was his own fault.

"It's a sad situation," said board president Bob Ryan, who added that the association had followed all the correct procedures. "But in the end, I have to say he brought it upon himself."

Lawyer Thomas Gurran, who represents the association, said in a statement that the association had "just wanted Mr. Prudente to comply with the lawn restriction." He added that the contempt power of judges is essential to the system.

"Many orders and judgements … would be absolutely meaningless if they could not be enforced by a judge's contempt power," he said. "This case is an example of what happens when someone defies an order entered by a judge in our country."

Prudente's family said the case had gone too far. Pat Prudente said she and her husband knew they had chosen to live in a community with restrictions. "But they shouldn't have this much power," she said.

Back at the jail — where the population is 1,132, well above the 782 capacity — Parente said he was being treated well. He has no criminal record in Florida and said his stay in Land O'Lakes was his first time ever in a slammer.

What comes next? He doesn't know. "Should I go out and rob a bank? Then I'd be back here," he said. "But then I'd get out on bail."

August 6, 2008

Peter Rodman, a foreign policy expert who served every
Republican president from Richard Nixon to George W. Bush, including as an
assistant secretary of defense for nearly six years in the current
administration, died Saturday in Baltimore. He was 64.

The cause was complications of leukemia, said Danielle Pletka,
vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the American
Enterprise Institute.

Rodman was lured into government by his senior thesis adviser at
Harvard, Henry Kissinger, then the national security adviser, and he became
Kissinger's aide in negotiations that included opening ties to China, peace
talks on Vietnam and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

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LETTER FROM YORBA LINDA #66 | July 10, 2008 Touring with
the White House
By Tom Borcher

Tom has been a member of the Nixon Library Docent Guild
since 2002 and is a practicing attorney in
Los Angeles with Jacobs, Jacobs & Eisfelder.


White House history being a "hobby" of mine, one of
the biggest thrills in my five years as a docent at the Richard Nixon
Library & Birthplace was when John Zweifel's Miniature White House went on
display in 2004. ("Miniature" in this case being a model 70 feet by 30
feet.) I developed a forty-five minute "tour" of the model including the
history of both the model and the "real" White House." I enjoyed giving the
presentation to our guests on weekends and holidays. The day came, however,
when John rolled it into his distinctive semi-truck for other destinations.

When I learned that the model was to be displayed
at the George H. W. Bush Library in College Station, Texas, I asked them if
I could give my presentation there. Based largely on some kind words by
folks here at the Nixon Library, I was invited to Texas over the Memorial
Day Weekend in 2007.

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know1

sponger wrote:

Fuck Home Owner's Associations. I hate them so goddamn much. They are like the gestapo in my neighborhood. It's unamerican. We're supposed to be able to live however the hell we want.

HOA's should be made illegal. And if I ever have the time to fight a good battle, it will be against the existence of HOA's.

People should not be buying homes as a portfolio enhancement. If a crappy house in your neighborhood is bringing values down, then so what...deal with it.

Not every neighborhood has one. If you don't like their rules, don't live there.

Interesting how an HOA is just a microcosm of a government....telling the masses what's good for them. It's surprising to me that some of the same people who favor bigger government don't want HOA's to tell them what to do .

Unfortunately, it's a lot more difficult to avoid an intrusive government than it is to avoid an HOA.

ccRyderzz

Matthew D. Kemmy and Douglas C. Hanson

DIRTY DEEDS HEY JOE JIMI HENDRIX JOE BIDEN DO YOU HEAR ME? STOP THE LIARS STOP THE CROOKS NOW!!

DATE: July 24, 2008
On July 24, 2008 a Marion County Grand Jury unanimously found that the
police officer shooting of Andrew James Hanlon, which occurred on June 30,
2008, was a lawful use of deadly physical force.


The Grand Jury was provided with photographs of the scene of the shooting,
both day and night, three diagrams, as well as photographs of the residences
of Shannon Kelley and of Andrew Hanlon's sister, Melanie Heise.
Additionally, the Grand Jury heard the original 911 call of a burglary in
progress and a copy of the police dispatch recordings before and after the
shooting. The Grand Jury also reviewed the autopsy report of Andrew Hanlon,
prepared by the Oregon State Medical Examiner's Office, the toxicology
reports of both Andrew Hanlon and Tony Gonzalez, and the medical/mental
health history documents of Andrew Hanlon.
Tony Gonzalez's peophiles are protected in OR.

videotaped interview of Tony Gonzalez. The fourth and final officer was from
an independent law enforcement agency outside Marion County. This officer
trains other police officers on use of force and was called to testify about
proper police procedure.
These witnesses were his sister, his roommate, and his best friend. While
none of these witnesses had first hand knowledge of what occurred on the
night of the shooting, the state believed the Grand Jury needed to hear
information about Andrew Hanlon to achieve a fair and accurate portrayal of
this incident.
THE WOMAN who called 911 WAS PAID BY THE ASSHOLES WHO RUN THE MONEY LAUNDERING
Andrew Hanlon was attempting to GET HELP KNOCKING ON THE WRONG DOOR? THE FUCKERS MURDERED HIM
WHY WOULD THE UNITED NATIONS EVEN CARE ABOUT HIS RIGHT TO LIFE? THEY ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS!
June 30, 2008 in Silverton OR. IS CORRUPT BY MONEY MONEY GREED AND POWER!
11:20 p.m., Shannon Kelley was paid by the bad guys to take this guy away from his family You decide as a nation? U-KNIGHTED YEP.. DUH
knocking at the front door of her Silverton residence as she was reading a
book in her upstairs bedroom. Mrs. Kelley was home with her three young
children and her parents, who were visiting from Montana. Mrs. Kelley's
husband, Josiah Kelley, was working at a friend's house nearby. Upon hearing
the knock, Mrs. Kelley assumed that her husband had returned home and simply
forgotten his key ( OKLAHOMA HOBART CITY HALL BURNED TO THE GROUND)
Mrs. Kelley reached the front door, the knocking had turned into A BITCH A WHORE A FUCKING CONSPIRACY TO KILL A>J?
very aggressive Mrs. Kelley turned on the porch Lite
identified as Andrew Hanlon.WITH SEVEN BULLETS IN HIS BACK FROM A PEOPHILE??? FUCKER DRUG USER ? IMAGINE THAT?

Andrew Hanlon appeared to be acting very strangely. He was unable to stand
still and was alternating between peering into the windows of the Kelley
residence and beating on the front door.( HE HAD ALREADY SHOT HIM)
Andrew Hanlon
mistook the Kelleys' home for that of his sister's,
Andrew Hanlon's sister can't ever see her brother again?
color of ABUSE OF POWER?
It has a small picket fence ? THAT HAS A WOMAN AS COLD AS ICE>>>>>TO PROTECT THE TRUTH AND THE JUSTICE OF OUR WORLD>>
. WHO IS THIS PERSON RELATED TOO? IN THE GOVERNMENT DETECTIVES ARE CORRUPT SO WHERE IS JUSTICE?
By contrast, the Kelley residence is a large blue two story house at the top
of a hill located on a private driveway named Diger///ness Blvd. There are
only three steps that lead to a very large porch. The front
AND ONLY ONE BIG STEP TO HELL ON EARTH>> LIARS DON"T WIN

told Andrew Hanlon to leave,
refused. Instead, he repeatedly demanded to be let in. Andrew Hanlon was
speaking in Old English, yelling phrases that included, "Thou shalt let me
in!" He also yelled that he had a sword and made gestures as if he was
swinging a sword although he did not appear to be armed. At one point, he
peered inside the window next to the front door and shook his fist at Mrs.
Kelley's father. He continued to yell and scream and at one point he claimed
to be the "angel of death." As Mrs. Kelley watched, Andrew Hanlon literally
howled at the moon. Eventually Andrew Hanlon's screams ceased to be
comprehensible and became "guttural" and "animalistic." Mrs. Kelley had
already called 911 to report that someone was attempting to break into her
house. and in the background of that
call, Andrew Hanlon can be heard screaming and beating on the door.

Andrew Hanlon continued to punch and kick the door to the point that Mrs.
Kelley and her parents all had to put their bodies against the door to keep
him from kicking it down.

Note: After Andrew Hanlon fled from the scene of the attempted burglary,
inspection of the Kelleys' front door revealed blood, blood spatter and even
skin tissue.

Once Andrew Hanlon realized that he was unable to punch or kick down the
door, he ran from the porch to the driveway, got a running start and began
to hurl himself against the Kelleys' front door. He did this a number of
times. After his final run at the door, Andrew Hanlon screamed something
incomprehensible and abruptly ran off down the hill going through the trees
and blackberries, without shoes, toward Oak Street.

As soon as Mrs. Kelley's 911 call came in, police were dispatched to her
residence. Dispatch continued to relay information to responding officers
throughout the course of the 911 call. Tony Gonzalez and Silverton Police
Officer Josh Barnett responded. Dispatch recordings show that officers
GUNNED DOWN AN INNOCENT BOY WHO NEEDED HELP NOT DEATH!!!
have weapons but was possibly intoxicated COPS BEGAN TRACKING LIKE HIS was AN ANIMAL HUNTING HIM DOWN
Officer Barnett drove up Diger///ness Blvd. to the Kelley
Tony Gonzalez was down below on Oak Street.t Andrew Hanlon was coming down , Tony Gonzalez
parked his patrol car near the residence at 606 Oak Street and got out to
shoot him again .

OMY GOD details make the case unlawful This address had five vehicles parked in a row in the driveway in
front of and to the east of the residence.

Tony Gonzalez ALPINE?? KNOW EACH OTHER portion of the hill east of the
residence on Oak Street, he heard branches breaking. Tony Gonzalez shined
his flashlight into the trees and saw Andrew Hanlon. Tony Gonzalez did in fact
know Andrew Hanlon
personally because A.J. knew he was raping kids and was gona tell the truth
Tony Gonzalez did draw his service weapon,
come down Andrew Hanlon
did come down from the trees but instead of following Tony Gonzalez's
orders, he cut behind the first of the five parked vehicles and began moving
west, parallel to Oak Street
of the parked vehicles, Tony Gonzalez began HUNTING HIM AGAIN
Andrew Hanlon, also moving west, parallel to Oak Street. When Andrew Hanlon
went behind the second parked vehicle, he ducked down out of sight. Tony
Gonzalez,LIED ABOUT that Andrew Hanlon may run, began to go in between the
second and third vehicles to cut off a possible escape route. As Tony
Gonzalez moved towards Andrew Hanlon at the rear of the vehicles, Tony
Gonzalez heard a sound that he thought was glass breaking.

Note: It is the opinion of investigators that the sound was Andrew Hanlon
kicking or bumping into a recycling bin that had glass bottles in it causing
them to clink together. THE COPS CLEANED UP THE GLASS BECAUSE IT MADE THE CASE AGAINST THE INNOCENT THAT WAS TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE DIRTY DEEDS!

Upon hearing this noise, Tony Gonzalez believed that Andrew Hanlon could be
armed with a broken bottle and he drew his service weapon. Andrew Hanlon
then stepped out from behind the second vehicle. At this point, Tony
Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon were within five to eight feet of each other. The
area was only partially illuminated and Andrew Hanlon was turned sideways
and would not face Tony Gonzalez. Therefore, Tony Gonzalez was only able to
see Andrew Hanlon's right hand. Andrew Hanlon to
show him both of his hands and to get down on the ground. Andrew Hanlon did
comply with those orders, so Tony Gonzalez yelled them( WHY THEM) again. Details study study LIARS DIRTY DEEDS TO PROTECT THE PHEDOLPHILES
appeared that Andrew Hanlon was complying THEY SHOT HIM IN COLD BLOOD
and started to reach toward the ground. However, he then stood back up
straight and quickly bent down again, as if to touch the ground, and let out
a scream and leapt towards Tony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez began to retreat as
Andrew Hanlon chased after him swinging his arms, kicking and screaming. As
Tony Gonzalez backed up, he cleared the two vehicles he had been between and
continued back all the way across the driveway and into Oak Street. Andrew
Hanlon continued advancing on Tony Gonzalez this entire distance,
approximately twenty-five feet and Tony Gonzalez was never able to get more
than five feet from Andrew Hanlon. At some point as Tony Gonzalez was
retreating, he began to shoot at Andrew Hanlon in an attempt to defend his
life under the circumstances. Tony Gonzalez fired his weapon seven times.
Andrew Hanlon continued to chase Tony Gonzalez even as he fired his weapon.
Andrew Hanlon finally stopped and fell to the ground just as he was entering
the street. Autopsy results show that Andrew Hanlon was shot five times and
that he died as a result of the gunshot wounds he sustained.

As this incident was occurring, Silverton resident, Jeff DeSantis, was
driving along Oak Street. Mr. DeSantis did not know either Tony Gonzalez or
Andrew Hanlon. Upon seeing Tony Gonzalez's patrol car parked in the street,
Mr. DeSantis stopped his vehicle. Mr. DeSantis then looked to his left and
saw the beginning of the confrontation between Tony Gonzalez and Andrew
Hanlon. Mr. DeSantis had an unobstructed view and was approximately
thirty-five feet from Tony Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon when it began. When
Mr. DeSantis first observed them Tony Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon were at the
rear of the two vehicles and Tony Gonzalez had his weapon drawn. He heard
Tony Gonzalez repeatedly say, "Get down!" "Freeze!" "Don't move!" "Get
down!" Mr. DeSantis said these commands were made several times and were
very clear. Mr. DeSantis then heard Andrew Hanlon make what he described as
a "primordial war scream" and start toward the officer, trying to strike and
kick him with what appeared to be martial arts moves. Mr. DeSantis describes
Tony Gonzalez's BIG BAD COPPER WITH A GUN!Andrew Hanlon as similar to that of a football (MY space acct. of police guy TOMAHAWK WHAT AN EGOTISTICAL BASTARD) HE had a little dick too....
player back-peddling and he called it "very professional." Mr. DeSantis
heard Officer Gonzalez continue to order Andrew Hanlon to "Get down!" and
"Stop!" Mr. DeSantis also saw that despite his
retreat, Tony Gonzalez was never able to get more than five feet from Andrew
Hanlon. Mr. DeSantis watched as Tony Gonzalez began to fire his service
weapon and he saw that Andrew Hanlon continued to pursue Tony Gonzalez even
as Tony Gonzalez fired. It was not until several shots had been fired that
Andrew Hanlon began to slow down. Mr. DeSantis saw that Tony Gonzalez
stopped firing as soon as Andrew Hanlon stopped coming after him. Mr.
DeSantis saw Andrew Hanlon fall to the ground. Mr. DeSantis also saw that
Tony Gonzalez never shot Andrew Hanlon when he was not chasing him and never
shot him when he was on the ground. Mr. DeSantis then heard Tony Gonzalez
immediately grab his radio and report, "Shots fired!" Mr. DeSantis attempted
to tend to Andrew Hanlon, however, he was too severely injured and he died
at the scene. Andrew Hanlon was not armed when he was shot.

THE COP MURDERED THE IRISH CITIZEN AND RAPED A LITTLE GIRL
the evidence WAS TAINTED!Gonzalez IS A PEDOPHILE PROTECTED BY OUR GOVENMENT????
The decision of whether deadly physical force is justified does not boil
down solely to the question of whether someone is armed with a weapon or
not. The decision requires the application of all of the facts and evidence
available to the legal rules. That is what the Grand Jury has done today.
paramount STUDIOS All of the primary PLAYERS WERE DIRTY DEED DOERS
one agency
Grand Jury are crooks and LIARS made up of members of the
ALUMINAUGHTY
rendered its decision.AND THEY ARE THE IDIOTS WE PAY TO KEEP IN POWER!
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dignin

prytoj wrote:

You're telling me that neither the Pops or the daughter could muster up the stuff to get a job a McDonalds for a week or so to pay for some sod?

We can spin this all you want, but the point is personal accountability.
You gotta problem, you find a way to solve it. Man up. 66 is not dead, for pete's sake

Maybe we can get Obama's community organzation to lay down some gub'ment sod on that and solve his problem for him....then we can all give a big cheer for ol' timer and pat ourselves on the back. Way to go us!

You sir are a grade A Asshole.

dignin

know1 wrote:

Not every neighborhood has one. If you don't like their rules, don't live there.

Same could be said for you.

prytoj

yield6 wrote:

You sir are a grade A Asshole.

socialism, welfare, the erosion of our liberties.....
brought to us by people like yourselves.

Whatever happened to self-reliance and self-determination in this
country?

You, sir, need an education.