The one question missing from the debates
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Well it looks like the conflict isn't going to end anytime soon. Draw down in Iraq but increase in Afghanistan and Pakistan and perhaps wherever else the insurgents are hiding.
Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?
What is the answer to that question?
Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?
Am I missing something here?
Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?
What is the answer to that question?
Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?
Am I missing something here?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I mean fuck....progress...progressive?
regressive?
I think I know the answer already, but I'm really surprised nobody else is thinking this exact same thing.
eight long years of molding public perception
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Because the truth is covered in Israeli politics and the US's blind support of them and it will be a cold day in hell before that's ever acknowledged.
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Because they hate our freedom is what I gathered from Palin. I know the question was not asked in the same format upir wrote but I think she did mention something along that line.
I wish I could say you were missing something here but you are not. I remember after 9/11. Trey from Phish said something about that being the real issue, as to why someone would want to do this to us, that our foreign policy needs to change. And I remember him getting bashed about it. Let alone any one else who felt the same way. I felt that way then and I feel that way now.
All hail Trey from Phish.
-Reagan
The only answer they've attempted to push was "they hate us for our freedoms", a term as vague as the 'war on terror' itself. It really amazed me to hear people repeat that shit in day-to-day convos...
I think I'd change the "U.S." above, to "us", esp if the Afghan occupation is bolstered after the election...it sucks that Canada is playing a prominent role in the 'popular' war. 2011 is not soon enough for us to get out. We are only there to appease the US....'but they're our biggest trading partner'....ya, keep sellin your soul. fuck. We're doing way more harm than good, and endangering ourselves by towing the NATO line.
SES Research, May 2007
6. Do you think Canada's mission in Afghanistan is making Canada more or less vulnerable to a terrorist attack?
More Vulnerable -- 67.0%
Less Vulnerable -- 17.9%
Unsure -- 15.1%
We know it, our representatives know it, but no one does anything about it...because of greed. Dont' piss off the Americans, we trade stuff with them.
It's not only inhumane, it's bad business. Canada is like some big manufacturer, suckin walmart's teet and expanding production, while fucking over all of our smaller accounts (other countries) and employees (us)...someday someone will go postal and we'll be wondering why anyone would be so disgruntled...yet we still won't acknowledge that we're fucked if Wal-Mart ever goes under...:(
Fighting a "War on Terror" is a never ending vacuum on the wallet of America.
Only 5000 or so people died in 9/11. It was not nearly as big a deal as our government has made it out to be.
Do you really think you are going to die in a terrorist attack?
The US appears to be fighting a proxy war for Israel. Oil, religious values...freedom..womens rights... it's getting way to twilight zone-ish for me.
Nobody seems to be talking solutions...just more conflict now but in other areas. I mean what the hell does withdraw from Iraq in 2013 mean anyways....ANYTHING can happen in that time...might as well be 2023...or forever for what it's worth.
Disappointing.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Do you really think people from the other side of the planet would come all the way over here to kill us if we weren't fucking with them? You might have some domestic issues, but why would international terrorism even exist if the business dealings were fair and equitable, and we left the tanks and planes at home?
What's the percentage of Iraqi's who've died as a result of US policy when the death toll is over 1,000,000.
Not to mention the loss of infrastructure, deliberatly targeted in the war.
...and it continues our unabated love for Isarel.
Admin Backs $15B Fighter Jet Sale to Israel
The Bush administration has approved a new $15 billion sale of advanced military fighter jets to the Israeli government. Aided by US funding, Israel will buy twenty-five Joint Strike Fighter aircraft built by the military contractor Lockheed Martin.
Peace
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That answer is NO and No again. i hope one of these candidates can restore our world standing when it come foreign affairs.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I think the US empire has 2 choices. It can continue and slowly be eaten up by those more powerful emerging countries, or make amends and create solid partnerships with countries we've helped in the past, and maybe maintain some semblance of control. Or it can slip into a subserviant role and see how it looks on the other end.
Seems Mccain would choose the former, while Obama might try to make amends. Hard to say.
A militaristic Empire we've become for sure. Few Americans know around this world on every continent we have permanent American Military bases (over 700) some with laws that forbid American soldiers from prosecution in any crimes they may commit in those countries.
Scary shit but Chalmers Johnson's book The Sorrows of Empire...Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic, really puts it in perspective anyone can understand.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe the days of empire are coming to an end. Collectivism on the rise.
Serioulsy, what a crap debate. I was expecting some action from the moose killer.
That's a very good point.
I'm beginning to think religion is the problem. The Jews have to live somewhere as much as anyone else, and let's face it Germany was no piece of cake before and after Hitler bit the dust from the Jewish perspective.
The Muslims biggest contention is the founding and ongoing military support of Israel. As crazy as Ahmadinejad, Gaddafi etc... and the general consensus of Muslims toward Israel is, in the end, we all have to get along eventually. The alternative is a mushroom cloud of epic and escalating proportions.
For this reason I honestly think mankind will eventually come to realize Religion is causing more harm than good, as it's at the core of both ideologies.
I mean who really talks like they are gods chosen people really...that's totally whacked upside the noggin...and the Muslims use it to oust the invaders like it's holy commandment.
Religion is sucking for the world in this case...badly.
edit: I should say political religion...it's a nightmare..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Something hit me this morning on how this country has military bases around the world and no foreign country has or is allowed military bases in this country. So what does that tell you about this country, we've become a militaristic mindset here in WARsington. With war constantly on our minds it seems it now seems this country the US has become the scariest country on this planet.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
That's not why they attacked us.
Our freedom, female equality and "support of Israel " has nothing to do with why they attacked America.
I can't believe there's anyone left on this whole planet who believes such nonsense.
Our support of Israel isn't just support. They wouldn't really care about us just simply supporting Israel. Our government not only supports Israel, but is complicit in Israel's most intrusive invasions and violent attrocities. That's the problem they have with us "supporting " Israel.
Our foreign policies, our presence and our actions in the middle east or policies that significantly effect the middle east; is the problem.
Now, I'm no apologist for Muslim extremists (or any extremists of any religion) and I'm well aware of the extremist's perception of their religion, their place in their religion and how they believe they should interact and engage with non-muslims (infidels). I know these kooks believe it's their god-given right to spread (bully and force) their Islamic religion onto everyone and those who resist should be murdered.
I know they believe it is their duty to infest every country, every corner of the world with their twisted and demented variation of Islam and attempt to change that host country/community into Islamic rule.
You know, like Christians.
But that's not the war we're fighting. Or is it?
It will not stop, either, with what ever ticket gets into the White House.
Exactly that's the really scary part it matters none who wins the Presidential race they're both up Iarael's butt. In their eyes Isarel can do no wrong.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The hypocrisy of our government, our military and our people is mindnumbing.
And if you go around the country and talk to people, you'll find plenty of Americans who want us to do all of that and then react with indignation at the suggestion of foreign military bases here, in the USA. Apparently it's our god-given right