The one question missing from the debates

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Well it looks like the conflict isn't going to end anytime soon. Draw down in Iraq but increase in Afghanistan and Pakistan and perhaps wherever else the insurgents are hiding.

Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?

What is the answer to that question?

Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?

Am I missing something here?

Commy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well it looks like the conflict isn't going to end anytime soon. Draw down in Iraq but increase in Afghanistan and Pakistan and perhaps wherever else the insurgents are hiding.

Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?

What is the answer to that question?

Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?

Am I missing something here?

good point. The only answer anyone gave to idea of the threat of terrorism was to increase the violence against them. Forget that that is what may have caused the terrorist attacks in the first place. send more guns, send more tanks more planes. fight fire with fire.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Commy wrote:

good point. The only answer anyone gave to idea of the threat of terrorism was to increase the violence against them. Forget that that is what may have caused the terrorist attacks in the first place. send more guns, send more tanks more planes. fight fire with fire.

I mean fuck....progress...progressive?

regressive?

I think I know the answer already, but I'm really surprised nobody else is thinking this exact same thing.

eight long years of molding public perception

Commy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I mean fuck....progress...progressive?

regressive?

I think I know the answer already, but I'm really surprised nobody else is thinking this exact same thing.

eight long years of molding public perception

yeah we're missing a few w's. they are anyway. This mess will be sorted out eventually. Either in the streets or at the polls, one way or the other its going down.

SoonForgotten2

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well it looks like the conflict isn't going to end anytime soon. Draw down in Iraq but increase in Afghanistan and Pakistan and perhaps wherever else the insurgents are hiding.

Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?

What is the answer to that question?

Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?

Am I missing something here?

Because the truth is covered in Israeli politics and the US's blind support of them and it will be a cold day in hell before that's ever acknowledged.

momofglynn

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well it looks like the conflict isn't going to end anytime soon. Draw down in Iraq but increase in Afghanistan and Pakistan and perhaps wherever else the insurgents are hiding.

Anyone ever think to ask why the terrorists hate the US and want to cause harm to the people living there?

What is the answer to that question?

Shouldn't this be the road to real change instead of just talking around it and coming up with ongoing plans to seek out additional conflict wherever it may be found?

Am I missing something here?

Because they hate our freedom is what I gathered from Palin. I know the question was not asked in the same format upir wrote but I think she did mention something along that line.

I wish I could say you were missing something here but you are not. I remember after 9/11. Trey from Phish said something about that being the real issue, as to why someone would want to do this to us, that our foreign policy needs to change. And I remember him getting bashed about it. Let alone any one else who felt the same way. I felt that way then and I feel that way now.

Commy

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Because the truth is covered in Israeli politics and the US's blind support of them and it will be a cold day in hell before that's ever acknowledged.

not to jump on the jews control the world bandwagon, bu tthere is some truth to that. ISrael is off the charts when it comes to US 'defense' spending. WE don't sell planes and arms to ISrael, we give it to them. We don't tell them how to make nukes, we give it to them. We not only support them militarily, we support them diplomatically. Look at UN resolutions in the past 40 years or so, its either the US or ISrael, or the US and Israel abstaining from the vote, which for all intents and purposes kills the initiative. The US is a member of the security council. We say no, no action takes place. And there are hundreds of cases where its been the world agaisnt the US and ISrael, and no action takes place, due to the US position on the security council. We say no, the bill ends.

MattyJoe

momofglynn wrote:

I wish I could say you were missing something here but you are not. I remember after 9/11. Trey from Phish said something about that being the real issue, as to why someone would want to do this to us, that our foreign policy needs to change. And I remember him getting bashed about it. Let alone any one else who felt the same way. I felt that way then and I feel that way now.

All hail Trey from Phish.

Drowned Out

It really is the crux of the whole thing, and should have been since 9/11... if only as an eye opener to inciteful foreign policy.

The only answer they've attempted to push was "they hate us for our freedoms", a term as vague as the 'war on terror' itself. It really amazed me to hear people repeat that shit in day-to-day convos...

I think I'd change the "U.S." above, to "us", esp if the Afghan occupation is bolstered after the election...it sucks that Canada is playing a prominent role in the 'popular' war. 2011 is not soon enough for us to get out. We are only there to appease the US....'but they're our biggest trading partner'....ya, keep sellin your soul. fuck. We're doing way more harm than good, and endangering ourselves by towing the NATO line.

SES Research, May 2007
6. Do you think Canada's mission in Afghanistan is making Canada more or less vulnerable to a terrorist attack?
More Vulnerable -- 67.0%
Less Vulnerable -- 17.9%
Unsure -- 15.1%

We know it, our representatives know it, but no one does anything about it...because of greed. Dont' piss off the Americans, we trade stuff with them.

It's not only inhumane, it's bad business. Canada is like some big manufacturer, suckin walmart's teet and expanding production, while fucking over all of our smaller accounts (other countries) and employees (us)...someday someone will go postal and we'll be wondering why anyone would be so disgruntled...yet we still won't acknowledge that we're fucked if Wal-Mart ever goes under...:(

keithjam

My opinion is that terrorism doesn't matter. It will never go away. The only thing you can do is say keep killing us we will still be here with our freedom, female equality and support of Israel.

Fighting a "War on Terror" is a never ending vacuum on the wallet of America.

Only 5000 or so people died in 9/11. It was not nearly as big a deal as our government has made it out to be.

Do you really think you are going to die in a terrorist attack?

keithjam

About 0.002% of the US population died on 9/11.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Because the truth is covered in Israeli politics and the US's blind support of them and it will be a cold day in hell before that's ever acknowledged.

The US appears to be fighting a proxy war for Israel. Oil, religious values...freedom..womens rights... it's getting way to twilight zone-ish for me.

Nobody seems to be talking solutions...just more conflict now but in other areas. I mean what the hell does withdraw from Iraq in 2013 mean anyways....ANYTHING can happen in that time...might as well be 2023...or forever for what it's worth.

Disappointing.

Drowned Out

keithjam wrote:

My opinion is that terrorism doesn't matter. It will never go away.

Do you really think people from the other side of the planet would come all the way over here to kill us if we weren't fucking with them? You might have some domestic issues, but why would international terrorism even exist if the business dealings were fair and equitable, and we left the tanks and planes at home?

Commy

keithjam wrote:

About 0.002% of the US population died on 9/11.

you seem to be a number cruncher.


What's the percentage of Iraqi's who've died as a result of US policy when the death toll is over 1,000,000.

Not to mention the loss of infrastructure, deliberatly targeted in the war.

g under p

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Because the truth is covered in Israeli politics and the US's blind support of them and it will be a cold day in hell before that's ever acknowledged.

...and it continues our unabated love for Isarel.

Admin Backs $15B Fighter Jet Sale to Israel

The Bush administration has approved a new $15 billion sale of advanced military fighter jets to the Israeli government. Aided by US funding, Israel will buy twenty-five Joint Strike Fighter aircraft built by the military contractor Lockheed Martin.

Peace

Commy

g under p wrote:

...and it continues our unabated love for Isarel.

Admin Backs $15B Fighter Jet Sale to Israel

The Bush administration has approved a new $15 billion sale of advanced military fighter jets to the Israeli government. Aided by US funding, Israel will buy twenty-five Joint Strike Fighter aircraft built by the military contractor Lockheed Martin.

Peace

Isreal is basically a US base in the middle east.

Commy

Think the biggest question missing from the debates was whether or not the US has the moral ground to stand on when it comes to intervening in foreign countries.

g under p

Commy wrote:

Think the biggest question missing from the debates was whether or not the US has the moral ground to stand on when it comes to intervening in foreign countries.

That answer is NO and No again. i hope one of these candidates can restore our world standing when it come foreign affairs.

Peace

Commy

g under p wrote:

That answer is NO and No again. i hope one of these candidates can restore our world standing when it come foreign affairs.

Peace

I hope.

I think the US empire has 2 choices. It can continue and slowly be eaten up by those more powerful emerging countries, or make amends and create solid partnerships with countries we've helped in the past, and maybe maintain some semblance of control. Or it can slip into a subserviant role and see how it looks on the other end.


Seems Mccain would choose the former, while Obama might try to make amends. Hard to say.

Jack_C_Gregory

I like what David Cross has to say about the subject. I am paraphrasing, but he basically says if the terrorists hated us for our freedom, than the Netherlands would be fucking dust because they are truly more free than the U.S.

Commy

WeaponX655321 wrote:

I like what David Cross has to say about the subject. I am paraphrasing, but he basically says if the terrorists hated us for our freedom, than the Netherlands would be fucking dust because they are truly more free than the U.S.

or like having a war on terrorism is like having a war on jealousy. Its an idea. You can never win.