Putin: U.S. incited conflict in Georgia

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Well it sure as hell wouldn't be the first time this scenario has happened....(to put it lightly). The term "same old...same old" comes to mind....

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/28/Putin_US_incited_conflict_in_Georgia/UPI-40231219949921/

" SOCHI, Russia, Aug. 28 (UPI) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in a CNN interview Thursday, accused U.S. leaders of inciting the war in Georgia to influence the U.S. election.

"If my guesses are confirmed, I could suspect that someone in the U.S. triggered this conflict on purpose in order to escalate the situation and create a competitive advantage for one of the U.S. presidential

candidates," he said.

Robert Wood, a spokesman for the U.S. State Department called Putin's claim "ludicrous."

"Russia is to blame for this crisis, and the world is responding to what Russia has done," he said.

Putin, interviewed in the resort of Sochi on the Black Sea, said that the United States trained and equipped the Georgian army and incited President Mikheil Saakashvili to send troops to bring the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

"U.S. citizens were indeed in the area in conflict," Putin said. "They were acting in implementing those orders doing as they were ordered, and the only one who can give such orders is their leader." "

MrBrian

Oh my bad, didnt see this thread earlier otherwise I would not of made the same one.

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macgyver06

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well it sure as hell wouldn't be the first time this scenario has happened....(to put it lightly). The term "same old...same old" comes to mind....

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/28/Putin_US_incited_conflict_in_Georgia/UPI-40231219949921/

" SOCHI, Russia, Aug. 28 (UPI) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in a CNN interview Thursday, accused U.S. leaders of inciting the war in Georgia to influence the U.S. election.

"If my guesses are confirmed, I could suspect that someone in the U.S. triggered this conflict on purpose in order to escalate the situation and create a competitive advantage for one of the U.S. presidential

candidates," he said.

Robert Wood, a spokesman for the U.S. State Department called Putin's claim "ludicrous."

"Russia is to blame for this crisis, and the world is responding to what Russia has done," he said.

Putin, interviewed in the resort of Sochi on the Black Sea, said that the United States trained and equipped the Georgian army and incited President Mikheil Saakashvili to send troops to bring the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

"U.S. citizens were indeed in the area in conflict," Putin said. "They were acting in implementing those orders doing as they were ordered, and the only one who can give such orders is their leader." "

fuck vladamir putin and his government. and fuck that guy from rocky IV

MrBrian

cincybearcat wrote:

I think the Obama campaign is orchestrating Putin's reaction and words abotu the US orchestrating the conflict in Georgia in order to favor McCain in the race, in order to favor Obama in the race...it never ends.

Shocking....Putin blaming it all on America...talk abotu your old, tired politics.

It is tired politics, The whole thing! Russia invading a country, america not liking it but perhaps having other reasons.

But that's politics,goes around and around. Very few countries seem to be moving forward. They are just spinning around in a circle faster and think they are going someplace new.

MrBrian

macgyver06 wrote:

fuck vladamir putin and his government. and fuck that guy from rocky IV

You know, he's really from sweden? He was paid off by the americans to play a bad steroid taking russian.

American lies!

freindlyfired

MrBrian wrote:

It is tired politics, The whole thing! Russia invading a country, america not liking it but perhaps having other reasons.

But that's politics,goes around and around. Very few countries seem to be moving forward. They are just spinning around in a circle faster and think they are going someplace new.

I wonder if you and your family were killed for some senseless reason if you would call it "politics". Politics is getting elected, this is life and death.

Simpleton

cincybearcat

freindlyfired wrote:

I wonder if you and your family were killed for some senseless reason if you would call it "politics". Politics is getting elected, this is life and death.

Simpleton

So, calling it life or death does what exactly?

MrBrian

freindlyfired wrote:

I wonder if you and your family were killed for some senseless reason if you would call it "politics". Politics is getting elected, this is life and death.

Simpleton

Politics is just getting elected? Ok clown,

my2hands

we know roland, america is to blame for every wrong doing and conflict in the world :rolleyes:

get a new playbook, your's is old and tired

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

we know roland, america is to blame for every wrong doing and conflict in the world :rolleyes:

get a new playbook, your's is old and tired

so is your whining about what you don't like about me....

sorry but it's true...

so ditto on the playbook comment

spyguy

my2hands wrote:

we know roland, america is to blame for every wrong doing and conflict in the world :rolleyes:

get a new playbook, your's is old and tired

well played. to his defense, I've noticed a few like him around here. its a shared playbook, not just his.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spyguy wrote:

well played. to his defense, I've noticed a few like him around here. its a shared playbook, not just his.

A little peek into US foreign policy is all one need to do

history is history.....what do you want me to do about it.....it's all true.

sorry if reality sucks for some people...but that's what the deal is.

boo hoo I guess..

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

well the russians said it so it must be true.

is anyone going to explain to me why America instigated this and put their interests in the region at risk with little or no support beyond limpdicked condemnations?

as usual you make no sense.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

well the russians said it so it must be true.


is anyone going to explain to me why America instigated this and put their interests in the region at risk with little or no support beyond limpdicked condemnations?

as usual you make no sense.

Look into the past... it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means.

In fact it would be par for the course and business as usual.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Look into the past... it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means.

In fact it would be par for the course and business as usual.

well there you go. undeniable proof. i stand corrected. Russia's past is spotless.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

well there you go. undeniable proof. i stand corrected.

Historical facts are called history and put into books for a reason....it's because they really happened.

So anyhow...call it far fetched....but that would be out of the ordinary given the factually historical track record.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Historical facts are called history and put into books for a reason....it's because they really happened.

So anyhow...call it far fetched....but that would be out of the ordinary given the factually historical track record.

you know what happens when you ASSume. so print some facts about why the west would instigate this event and put their interests in the region at risk with little or no support beyond limpdicked condemnations. Do you believe Russia is incapable of the very same thing you accuse the US of?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

you know what happens when you ASSume. so print some facts about why the west would instigate this event. Do you believe Russia is incapable of the very same thing you accuse the US of?

put it this way... Obama's adviser...good ol "Zbig" the upcoming advisor to the newly elected US saviour...has openly stated he wants a new war with Russia....as in he believes it's not only desirable...but necessary.

The same guy that pulled all the shit in the past...yeah well he's back. In fact he never left.

far fetched assumption eh?

spyguy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Look into the past... it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means.

In fact it would be par for the course and business as usual.

if you are such a genius man of history why are you ignoring Russia's ?

MrBrian

spyguy wrote:

if you are such a genius man of history why are you ignoring Russia's ?

Perhaps it is a bit of conjecture, but still at this point the signs seem to show America as having something to do with this.

But again it's still early, not all the info is out yet and it would be wrong to come to a conclusion at this point. Time will tell what the truth is and I feel that we will know fairly soon.

History is the best guide, Both america and russia have dirty histories. Perhaps they both are to blame = in this? Perhaps the US set up a trap, Russia stupid enough to fall for it? Or perhaps Russia wanted to fall for it so it can use that as a reason to do something to the US? or some other country? Perhaps sell weapons to a place America may not like so much.

So many possibilities,

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

MrBrian wrote:

Perhaps it is a bit of conjecture, but still at this point the signs seem to show America as having something to do with this.

But again it's still early, not all the info is out yet and it would be wrong to come to a conclusion at this point. Time will tell what the truth is and I feel that we will know fairly soon.

History is the best guide, Both america and russia have dirty histories. Perhaps they both are to blame = in this? Perhaps the US set up a trap, Russia stupid enough to fall for it? Or perhaps Russia wanted to fall for it so it can use that as a reason to do something to the US? or some other country? Perhaps sell weapons to a place America may not like so much.

So many possibilities,

yes

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spyguy wrote:

if you are such a genius man of history why are you ignoring Russia's ?

Last time I checked you don't have to be a genius to open up a history book, and I place more emphasis on whatever country is currently running their war machines at or near full throttle.

seems logical.

spyguy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Last time I checked you don't have to be a genius to open up a history book, and I place more emphasis on whatever country is currently running their war machines at or near full throttle.

seems logical.

I suggest opening up those history books again. you missed the chapter on the USSR.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spyguy wrote:

I suggest opening up those history books again. you missed the chapter on the USSR.

Who was wanting to put up a missile shield not too long ago on foreign soil?

hmm

spyguy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Who was wanting to put up a missile shield not too long ago on foreign soil?

hmm

a missile defense system? the US. and? my advice still stands, Russia's history is far from innocent. Georgia used to be under Russian rule. you at least knew that right?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Last time I checked you don't have to be a genius to open up a history book, and I place more emphasis on whatever country is currently running their war machines at or near full throttle.

seems logical.

thats not logic.
no the logical thing is to recognize whats true in one instance may not be true in another and only form opinions based on factual evidence. you automatically take the point of view thats most anti-american, regardless of the facts, or the lack there of. you know you do this. you've already admitted you have no proof to back up your beliefs in this instance, and instead rely on your old standbys: assumption and prejudice.

i realize this concept may be impossible for you to comprehend, but please work to try.

but then again look who i'm talking to.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

thats not logic.
no the logical thing is to recognize whats true in one instance may not be true in another and only form opinions based on factual evidence. you automatically take the point of view thats most anti-american, regardless of the facts, or the lack there of. you know you do this. you've already admitted you have no proof to back up your beliefs in this instance, and instead rely on your old standbys: assumption and prejudice.

i realize this concept may be impossible for you to comprehend, but please work to try.

but then again look who i'm talking to.

So extrapolation is not logical..

Ok if you say so.

You just turned science on it's ear...

edit: and I love how it gets personal so quickly for you...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

edit: and I love how it gets personal so quickly for you...

i'm sorry, i just find your willfull and persistent ignorance and refusal to debate the facts fascinating and revolting at the same time. its amazing to watch. you're pure preconcieved notion personified. even after being ran mental circles around by so many people for so long, you still keep at it. you are tenacious, i'll give you that, heh. psychologists could write books on you.

looks like you will be around a lot longer after i'm banned., but i gotta vacation to flooded New Orleans coming up anyway.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

i'm sorry, i just find your willfull and persistent ignorance and refusal to debate the facts fascinating and revolting at the same time. its amazing to watch. you're pure preconcieved notion personified. even after being ran mental circles around by so many people for so long, you still keep at it. you are tenacious, i'll give you that, heh. psychologists could write books on you.

looks like you will be around a lot longer after i'm banned., but i gotta vacation to flooded New Orleans coming up anyway.

That's you interpretation... you can feel free to entertain it within the confines of your thoughts in order to seek happiness from it. It changes little. You are biased against me and I could care less to change it. It is meaningless to me as to what you think about me on these issues really. When I start seeing factual information aside from opinion I might raise an eyebrow... however so few choose to go this route.

btw...was the going to New Orleans thing included at the end supposed to be something that people would be impressed by?

In any event...have a great vacation.

till next time.

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That's you interpretation... you can feel free to entertain it within the confines of your thoughts in order to seek happiness from it. It changes little. You are biased against me and I could care less to change it. It is meaningless to me as to what you think about me on these issues really. When I start seeing factual information aside from opinion I might raise an eyebrow... however so few choose to go this route.

btw...was the going to New Orleans thing included at the end supposed to be something that people would be impressed by?

In any event...have a great vacation.

till next time.

Do you have factual information about why some people must always state how they don't care what others think of them or their opinions?

Never have I seen someone get so defensive, or have such a wall around them. I hope one day you find some warmth, my nemesis.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Do you have factual information about why some people must always state how they don't care what others think of them or their opinions?

Never have I seen someone get so defensive, or have such a wall around them. I hope one day you find some warmth, my nemesis.

Ah...it's a long time trend here....It's called kill the messenger. I just like calling people out on it when they fail at addressing the facts, and just lower the quality of the thread with personal indifferences and other idiosyncrasies.