you mentioned why the dems have a difficult time of getting into the white house and it appears you talk about the "infighting" that occurs ...
my question is - if the opposite (happy family) is on the republican side, what does that indicate to you?
It indicates to me that the republican party knows how to win campaigns...that they put differences aside in order to elect the individual who most closely represents their point of view.
I'm sure you are trying to say that it means that they are status quo and not...what's the term you all love to use nowadays..."progressive"?
The republicans are like a family. They bicker and disagree amongst themselves but then once a decision is reached they all rally behind it. Not saying this is all good or all bad, but it certainly helps get a president elected.
It indicates to me that the republican party knows how to win campaigns...that they put differences aside in order to elect the individual who most closely represents their point of view.
I'm sure you are trying to say that it means that they are status quo and not...what's the term you all love to use nowadays..."progressive"?
The republicans are like a family. They bicker and disagree amongst themselves but then once a decision is reached they all rally behind it. Not saying this is all good or all bad, but it certainly helps get a president elected.
i think it means that conservatives will always vote conservative regardless of the candidate ... and that for yes "progressives" - the other option just isn't cutting it ... they demand more from their elected leaders - so, just because a person has a "D" in front of their name doesn't make them worthy of a vote ... whereas on the other side - it's GOP all the way ...
i think it means that conservatives will always vote conservative regardless of the candidate ... and that for yes "progressives" - the other option just isn't cutting it ... they demand more from their elected leaders - so, just because a person has a "D" in front of their name doesn't make them worthy of a vote ... whereas on the other side - it's GOP all the way ...
And both ways have merit, no?
One side is compromising...or settling, depending on how you look at it.
The other is stubborn...or principled, depending on how you look at it.
Anyhow, I normally vote republican (surprise, surprise)...I did caucus for Obama this year in Iowa as no Repub. interested me and I really wanted Hillary to lose...I'm unsure of which way I'll vote in November.
Though it goes against many of my beliefs and opinions, I'm leaning towards Obama right now as I wish to use my vote to send a message...that a R besides the name isn't enough...funny huh?
One side is compromising...or settling, depending on how you look at it.
The other is stubborn...or principled, depending on how you look at it.
Anyhow, I normally vote republican (surprise, surprise)...I did caucus for Obama this year in Iowa as no Repub. interested me and I really wanted Hillary to lose...I'm unsure of which way I'll vote in November.
Though it goes against many of my beliefs and opinions, I'm leaning towards Obama right now as I wish to use my vote to send a message...that a R besides the name isn't enough...funny huh?
yeah - it's based on one's perspective i suppose ... i don't really see it as comprimising ...
well - imo ... short of the abortion issue, I personally think you are a Democrat based on actualities vs. perceived notions ... clinton was far more fiscally conservative than bush ...
having said that - you've also been on this board being brainwashed for some time now - it's not surprising that you might shift ... but for the vast majority of GOP voters ... you can put pretty much anyone up there within reason and you'll still get their votes ...
yeah - it's based on one's perspective i suppose ... i don't really see it as comprimising ...
well - imo ... short of the abortion issue, I personally think you are a Democrat based on actualities vs. perceived notions ... clinton was far more fiscally conservative than bush ...
having said that - you've also been on this board being brainwashed for some time now - it's not surprising that you might shift ... but for the vast majority of GOP voters ... you can put pretty much anyone up there within reason and you'll still get their votes ...
having said that - you've also been on this board being brainwashed for some time now - it's not surprising that you might shift ... but for the vast majority of GOP voters ... you can put pretty much anyone up there within reason and you'll still get their votes ...
How is that different from the vast majority of Democrat voters?
And really, why is it so surprising??! Even though they're all crooks a liars, at the end of the day they have a party platform and most people are probably voting that.
For example, I'm not voting for either candidate or party due to fundamental differences I have with their platforms, but if I were forced to vote at gunpoint for the lesser of two evils, I'd more than likely always vote Republican simply due to how the platform of the party aligns with my value set.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
How is that different from the vast majority of Democrat voters?
And really, why is it so surprising??! Even though they're all crooks a liars, at the end of the day they have a party platform and most people are probably voting that.
For example, I'm not voting for either candidate or party due to fundamental differences I have with their platforms, but if I were forced to vote at gunpoint for the lesser of two evils, I'd more than likely always vote Republican simply due to how the platform of the party aligns with my value set.
what aspects of the actual GOP align with your value set?
You say you are anti-war and fiscally conservative - they are neither.
I do consider myself conservative, but that does not mean I am gonna vote for the Republican nominee everytime. I really dont agree with most of the Dem views even more so when it comes to Obama. I think he is full of shit and you all are falling for it.
He will most likely be the next President so enjoy it.
I did think Bill Clinton was a great president. The problem was that the people in this country are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and turned on him b/c he let a young hottie blow him. Sorry but his wife should have been more on top of that shit. Who cares who he is banging? Just do your job.
IMO
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
If I get an answer to the questions I posed, perhaps I'll answer those.
what questions? ... oh ... didn't know you really wanted an answer ...
ok - it's different because as you see on this board - those on the so-called political left are divided - although obama is the consensus among democrats - his is not that popular here ... i think different vs. GOP ...
even the democratic primaries are more divisive then republican ones ...
I do consider myself conservative, but that does not mean I am gonna vote for the Republican nominee everytime. I really dont agree with most of the Dem views even more so when it comes to Obama. I think he is full of shit and you all are falling for it.
He will most likely be the next President so enjoy it.
I did think Bill Clinton was a great president. The problem was that the people in this country are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and turned on him b/c he let a young hottie blow him. Sorry but his wife should have been more on top of that shit. Who cares who he is banging? Just do your job.
IMO
young hottie?? ... i will have to disagree with that assessment ...
what questions? ... oh ... didn't know you really wanted an answer ...
ok - it's different because as you see on this board - those on the so-called political left are divided - although obama is the consensus among democrats - his is not that popular here ... i think different vs. GOP ...
even the democratic primaries are more divisive then republican ones ...
So are you really trying to imply that the majority of those on the left won't vote for Obama just because he's the Democratic candidate?
And for my answer, I said that I have fundamental disagreements with the standard platforms of both parties but if forced to choose the lesser of two evils I would say that I agree in general more with the Republican side. That's hardly giving them a ringing endorsement.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So are you really trying to imply that the majority of those on the left won't vote for Obama just because he's the Democratic candidate?
And for my answer, I said that I have fundamental disagreements with the standard platforms of both parties but if forced to choose the lesser of two evils I would say that I agree in general more with the Republican side. That's hardly giving them a ringing endorsement.
I would say more 3rd party/spoiled votes would come from the left then right
Yeah - I know but I wanna know what part of that party's value set you actually are aligned with considering those are two very key issues.
Yeah - I know but I wanna know what part of that party's value set you actually are aligned with considering those are two very key issues.
Again - the words "lesser of two evils" doesn't even imply that my values are aligned with them at all. It just states that they are MORE aligned or closer to the Republican side of things.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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you mentioned why the dems have a difficult time of getting into the white house and it appears you talk about the "infighting" that occurs ...
my question is - if the opposite (happy family) is on the republican side, what does that indicate to you?
It indicates to me that the republican party knows how to win campaigns...that they put differences aside in order to elect the individual who most closely represents their point of view.
I'm sure you are trying to say that it means that they are status quo and not...what's the term you all love to use nowadays..."progressive"?
The republicans are like a family. They bicker and disagree amongst themselves but then once a decision is reached they all rally behind it. Not saying this is all good or all bad, but it certainly helps get a president elected.
i think it means that conservatives will always vote conservative regardless of the candidate ... and that for yes "progressives" - the other option just isn't cutting it ... they demand more from their elected leaders - so, just because a person has a "D" in front of their name doesn't make them worthy of a vote ... whereas on the other side - it's GOP all the way ...
And both ways have merit, no?
One side is compromising...or settling, depending on how you look at it.
The other is stubborn...or principled, depending on how you look at it.
Anyhow, I normally vote republican (surprise, surprise)...I did caucus for Obama this year in Iowa as no Repub. interested me and I really wanted Hillary to lose...I'm unsure of which way I'll vote in November.
Though it goes against many of my beliefs and opinions, I'm leaning towards Obama right now as I wish to use my vote to send a message...that a R besides the name isn't enough...funny huh?
yeah - it's based on one's perspective i suppose ... i don't really see it as comprimising ...
well - imo ... short of the abortion issue, I personally think you are a Democrat based on actualities vs. perceived notions ... clinton was far more fiscally conservative than bush ...
having said that - you've also been on this board being brainwashed for some time now - it's not surprising that you might shift ... but for the vast majority of GOP voters ... you can put pretty much anyone up there within reason and you'll still get their votes ...
Yes...YES! I love the robotic laughter. Robotic laughter for everybody!
I'm not really sure how to take that...
hahaha ... as with anything from me ... never take it personally nor with malice ...
How is that different from the vast majority of Democrat voters?
And really, why is it so surprising??! Even though they're all crooks a liars, at the end of the day they have a party platform and most people are probably voting that.
For example, I'm not voting for either candidate or party due to fundamental differences I have with their platforms, but if I were forced to vote at gunpoint for the lesser of two evils, I'd more than likely always vote Republican simply due to how the platform of the party aligns with my value set.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
what aspects of the actual GOP align with your value set?
You say you are anti-war and fiscally conservative - they are neither.
If I get an answer to the questions I posed, perhaps I'll answer those.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
He will most likely be the next President so enjoy it.
I did think Bill Clinton was a great president. The problem was that the people in this country are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and turned on him b/c he let a young hottie blow him. Sorry but his wife should have been more on top of that shit. Who cares who he is banging? Just do your job.
IMO
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
what questions? ... oh ... didn't know you really wanted an answer ...
ok - it's different because as you see on this board - those on the so-called political left are divided - although obama is the consensus among democrats - his is not that popular here ... i think different vs. GOP ...
even the democratic primaries are more divisive then republican ones ...
young hottie?? ... i will have to disagree with that assessment ...
And we agree on something!!!
I am certainly not going to forfeit my critical thinking just because the candidate I support has been elected. He is a man, not god.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
So are you really trying to imply that the majority of those on the left won't vote for Obama just because he's the Democratic candidate?
And for my answer, I said that I have fundamental disagreements with the standard platforms of both parties but if forced to choose the lesser of two evils I would say that I agree in general more with the Republican side. That's hardly giving them a ringing endorsement.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
wait? Conservatives will always vote for the people who share their conservative views?
For shame!
for the least they could possibly do
I would say more 3rd party/spoiled votes would come from the left then right
Yeah - I know but I wanna know what part of that party's value set you actually are aligned with considering those are two very key issues.
even tho they don't actually act conservative ... see bush and fisal responsibility ... that's the point ...
Yep, they were neo conservative. Unlike many Obama supporters who are infact real conservatives, but think they are liberal, hmm maybe neo liberal?
Again - the words "lesser of two evils" doesn't even imply that my values are aligned with them at all. It just states that they are MORE aligned or closer to the Republican side of things.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Never... I'm a savage beast.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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