US declares war on Iran

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    I just thought i'd bump this by throwing out there that this is not just an article, this is actualy FOUR seperate news sources now saying this.

    1. March 20th - OP mentioning Treasury Policy issuing "Guidance to Financial Institutions on the Continuing Money Laundering Threat Involving Illicit Iranian Activity", essentialy freezing all iranian banking assets. (corresponding UN resolution from March 3rd)

    2. March 30th - Saudi newspaper, Okaz, reports that the Saudi Shura Council has issued a directive regarding "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the Kingdom following expert warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors".

    3. April 2nd - Russian news source reports, "Russia ‘Alarmed’ As US Readies April Nuclear Attack On Iran", saying that we spoke with Putin regarding plans "to begin a nuclear attack against Irans atomic facilities in the next two weeks". Highly disturbing other claims mentioned in this article, including threats regarding international economic collapse threatened.

    4. April 2nd - within the Russian news article, is a quote from Ynet news in israel, stating that, "Syria is preparing for a comprehensive Israeli strike which will be combined with an attack on Hizbullah, sources in Damascus have told the London-based Arabic-language al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper. The sources, which refused to reveal their identity, reported that Syria was closely monitoring the movement of Israeli forces along the northern border."

    As far as troops go. We know that the US has moved significant numbers of troops to the northern areas of Iraq, which borders Iran, Syria, and Turkey.

    One of these news sources is quoted as saying there are reports of a US nuclear submarine en route to the area.

    Isn't there some source saying that the naval presence in the area is the largest since the Iraqi invasion?

    The israelis are running defense drills,
    and then, from the russian article, this:

    "the Syrians have stationed three armored divisions, special forces and nine mechanized infantry divisions opposite Lebanon's western valley, as the Syrians estimate that a ground Israeli invasion may take place in that area."

    So.
    is all this false news?

    How come no one has any comments on this, but the "Fat homeless people" thread is so popular?
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I also hope Iran possesses a 'giant eraser'. If they do then it may make the lunatics in charge of the U.S - and their puppet government in Israel - think twice before committing mass murder in the Middle East.
    You see, there's a reason why North Korea isn't being attacked, or threatened with attack.
    there is a big difference between hoping Iran gets nukes or hoping Iran uses nukes (on Israel). not sure the other poster meant it the same way you are.


    Byrnzie wrote:
    I've been having discussions with you for the past two years Jlew.

    this is my last response to you, I am not Jlew, I'm done with these games. I was hoping to engage in some serious discussion about current events. instead I'm left with these childish comments.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I just thought i'd bump this by throwing out there that this is not just an article, this is actualy FOUR seperate news sources now saying this.

    1. March 20th - OP mentioning Treasury Policy issuing "Guidance to Financial Institutions on the Continuing Money Laundering Threat Involving Illicit Iranian Activity", essentialy freezing all iranian banking assets. (corresponding UN resolution from March 3rd)

    2. March 30th - Saudi newspaper, Okaz, reports that the Saudi Shura Council has issued a directive regarding "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the Kingdom following expert warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors".

    3. April 2nd - Russian news source reports, "Russia ‘Alarmed’ As US Readies April Nuclear Attack On Iran", saying that we spoke with Putin regarding plans "to begin a nuclear attack against Irans atomic facilities in the next two weeks". Highly disturbing other claims mentioned in this article, including threats regarding international economic collapse threatened.

    4. April 2nd - within the Russian news article, is a quote from Ynet news in israel, stating that, "Syria is preparing for a comprehensive Israeli strike which will be combined with an attack on Hizbullah, sources in Damascus have told the London-based Arabic-language al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper. The sources, which refused to reveal their identity, reported that Syria was closely monitoring the movement of Israeli forces along the northern border."

    As far as troops go. We know that the US has moved significant numbers of troops to the northern areas of Iraq, which borders Iran, Syria, and Turkey.

    One of these news sources is quoted as saying there are reports of a US nuclear submarine en route to the area.

    Isn't there some source saying that the naval presence in the area is the largest since the Iraqi invasion?

    The israelis are running defense drills,
    and then, from the russian article, this:

    "the Syrians have stationed three armored divisions, special forces and nine mechanized infantry divisions opposite Lebanon's western valley, as the Syrians estimate that a ground Israeli invasion may take place in that area."

    So.
    is all this false news?

    How come no one has any comments on this, but the "Fat homeless people" thread is so popular?

    I hope you're wrong.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I just thought i'd bump this by throwing out there that this is not just an article, this is actualy FOUR seperate news sources now saying this.

    1. March 20th - OP mentioning Treasury Policy issuing "Guidance to Financial Institutions on the Continuing Money Laundering Threat Involving Illicit Iranian Activity", essentialy freezing all iranian banking assets. (corresponding UN resolution from March 3rd)

    2. March 30th - Saudi newspaper, Okaz, reports that the Saudi Shura Council has issued a directive regarding "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the Kingdom following expert warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors".

    3. April 2nd - Russian news source reports, "Russia ‘Alarmed’ As US Readies April Nuclear Attack On Iran", saying that we spoke with Putin regarding plans "to begin a nuclear attack against Irans atomic facilities in the next two weeks". Highly disturbing other claims mentioned in this article, including threats regarding international economic collapse threatened.

    4. April 2nd - within the Russian news article, is a quote from Ynet news in israel, stating that, "Syria is preparing for a comprehensive Israeli strike which will be combined with an attack on Hizbullah, sources in Damascus have told the London-based Arabic-language al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper. The sources, which refused to reveal their identity, reported that Syria was closely monitoring the movement of Israeli forces along the northern border."

    As far as troops go. We know that the US has moved significant numbers of troops to the northern areas of Iraq, which borders Iran, Syria, and Turkey.

    One of these news sources is quoted as saying there are reports of a US nuclear submarine en route to the area.

    Isn't there some source saying that the naval presence in the area is the largest since the Iraqi invasion?

    The israelis are running defense drills,
    and then, from the russian article, this:

    "the Syrians have stationed three armored divisions, special forces and nine mechanized infantry divisions opposite Lebanon's western valley, as the Syrians estimate that a ground Israeli invasion may take place in that area."

    So.
    is all this false news?

    How come no one has any comments on this, but the "Fat homeless people" thread is so popular?

    Iran situation was inevitable once they dumped the petrodollar. This administration all but actually said they wouldnt leave office with the Iranian issue (nukes) not dealt with. The recent Cheney Middle east "allies" tour all but put a stamp on it IMO.

    The Israelis attacking Syria simultaneously kinda caught me off guard I will admit. I'm guessing they figure all hell will break loose anyway so get the "other enemy" at the same time. I guess the Israelis figure preemptive strikes on Syria (and possibly Egypt?) will save them some trouble.

    I hope to God this doesnt happen because that area will go apeshit.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    flywallyfly wrote:
    I hope to God this doesnt happen because that area will go apeshit.

    it's a convenient distraction from a collapsing economy though.
    You gotta give 'em that.

    Also sets up new possibilities for martial law, i suppose.

    I dunno.

    Even believing that this "war" is still possible, at this point, is a bit hard for me to want to accept ... much less the other stuff that they talk about in some circles.

    :sigh:
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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Even believing that this "war" is still possible, at this point, is a bit hard for me to want to accept ... much less the other stuff that they talk about in some circles.

    :sigh:

    I hear ya. You see the pieces in action and it is just unfathomable that people are pushing this to happen. Yet this is just how it has happened for hundreds of years, just a little harder for them to hide it is all with information so readily and speedily available.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Shit is still heating up in the news
    Australian news piece talks about US Warships en route to the region. More drills. Recent attacks against Iranian insurgents in Iraq, etc.

    -- Plans for a sustained campaign between Israel and the US against Syria and Iran is detailed per "sources" in the region.


    A key objective of the Congressional testimony by Gen. David Petraeus this week will be to defend the George W. Bush administration's strategic political line that it is fighting an Iranian "proxy war" in Iraq.
    -- IRANIAN PROXY WAR?

    It's springtime; war in the air - United Press

    Article details the tensions between Syria and the west. Says Syria prepared to use "any means necessary" to combat troubles in Lebanon. Shit is not looking good for the Middle East right now. Or for the USA. :(
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    GOD DAMN IT!
    I'm so fucking sick of this shit! ! !

    US Nuclear B-1 Bomber On Iran ‘Attack Run’ Shot Down

    Now.
    You want to see the US Media's "CENSORED" version of this !??!

    You pick your news source
    Reutuers, CBS, Washington Post ...
    US Bomber Catches Fire At Base In Qatar
    B-1 bomber catches fire in Qatar
    Bomber burned after landing at al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar
    B-1 Bomber Crash: "Blaze Set Off the Munitions"

    FOLKS, OUR FUCKING INTELLIGENCE AGENCY SENT A NEAR-STEALTH BOMBER ON A MISSION TO BOMB IRAN, BUT THE FUCKING MILITARY SHOT IT

    I hate to fucking say this, but who the fuck are you gonna believe? Our lying sack of shit of a government? Or the Russians? :(

    Tell me you don't smell fish after the last 4 articles in this thread. Go on. Tell me.

    WHY DOES NO ONE RESPOND TO THIS SHIT?

    Get your heads out of Obama's asshole and wake up.
    We are going to bomb the shit out of Iran and get ourselves in to another clusterfuck.

    No one even wants to talk about it, though?
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  • My3rdEye
    My3rdEye Posts: 927
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    GOD DAMN IT!
    I'm so fucking sick of this shit! ! !

    US Nuclear B-1 Bomber On Iran ‘Attack Run’ Shot Down

    Now.
    You want to see the US Media's "CENSORED" version of this !??!

    You pick your news source
    Reutuers, CBS, Washington Post ...
    US Bomber Catches Fire At Base In Qatar
    B-1 bomber catches fire in Qatar
    Bomber burned after landing at al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar
    B-1 Bomber Crash: "Blaze Set Off the Munitions"

    FOLKS, OUR FUCKING INTELLIGENCE AGENCY SENT A NEAR-STEALTH BOMBER ON A MISSION TO BOMB IRAN, BUT THE FUCKING MILITARY SHOT IT

    I hate to fucking say this, but who the fuck are you gonna believe? Our lying sack of shit of a government? Or the Russians? :(

    Tell me you don't smell fish after the last 4 articles in this thread. Go on. Tell me.

    WHY DOES NO ONE RESPOND TO THIS SHIT?

    Get your heads out of Obama's asshole and wake up.
    We are going to bomb the shit out of Iran and get ourselves in to another clusterfuck.

    No one even wants to talk about it, though?

    My question would be how the FUCK are we going to pay for these wars with Iran and Syria (other than with the blood of 18 to 30 yr old Americans) and where are we planning on getting troops to fight more wars????

    Have we not learned anything from the empires that have fallen before us? Over expanded and broke. We're getting there. Maybe that's what we should hope for :(

    What happens if the US economy totally implodes anyway? What will that do to the world economy? What would happen to China if we couldn't buy all the shit they're selling us?

    Scary, scary times...

    Nothing like using events that happen in one war to begin justification for another!!

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    More Buzz in the News About Iran
    Check the list of headlines:

    Iran Threatens Iraq's Stability, Officials Say

    Petraeus blames Iran for spike in Iraq violence

    Iran Rejects US Claim That Tehran Funds Shiite Militias in Iraq

    Evil Iran, the new al-Qaeda

    Next Hot Topic In US Campaign: The Iran Question

    Petraeus Says Iranian-Backed Groups Are Greatest Threat to Iraq

    Iran to defy West on nuclear: Ahmadinejad

    A few weeks ago if you did a google news search on Iran, you came up practicaly empty handed.

    Something is up, man.
    Something is UP.

    :(
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    GOD DAMN IT!
    I'm so fucking sick of this shit! ! !

    US Nuclear B-1 Bomber On Iran ‘Attack Run’ Shot Down

    Now.
    You want to see the US Media's "CENSORED" version of this !??!

    You pick your news source
    Reutuers, CBS, Washington Post ...
    US Bomber Catches Fire At Base In Qatar
    B-1 bomber catches fire in Qatar
    Bomber burned after landing at al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar
    B-1 Bomber Crash: "Blaze Set Off the Munitions"

    FOLKS, OUR FUCKING INTELLIGENCE AGENCY SENT A NEAR-STEALTH BOMBER ON A MISSION TO BOMB IRAN, BUT THE FUCKING MILITARY SHOT IT

    I hate to fucking say this, but who the fuck are you gonna believe? Our lying sack of shit of a government? Or the Russians? :(

    Tell me you don't smell fish after the last 4 articles in this thread. Go on. Tell me.

    WHY DOES NO ONE RESPOND TO THIS SHIT?

    Get your heads out of Obama's asshole and wake up.
    We are going to bomb the shit out of Iran and get ourselves in to another clusterfuck.

    No one even wants to talk about it, though?

    Actually, these types of incidents have been known to occur. In Korea, up by the DMZ, U.S apache helicopters, e.t.c, often patrol along the DMZ and if any pilot makes the mistake of flying off course, and if the message can't be transmitted by radio, then it's been known for either the U.S, or the South Korean army, to fire warning shots at the 'offending' plane in order to alert the pilot to his mistake. This is done to prevent any response from the anti-aircraft batteries lined up along the north.
    This may have been what happened in Russia - maybe radio contact broke down.
  • gleemonex
    gleemonex Posts: 848
    Why wouldn't this be all over the mainstream media if it were true? I think this would certainly have people glued to their television in the days of 24 hour news channels.
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  • My3rdEye
    My3rdEye Posts: 927
    gleemonex wrote:
    Why wouldn't this be all over the mainstream media if it were true? I think this would certainly have people glued to their television in the days of 24 hour news channels.

    Who knows. There's not even enough coverage of Iraq anymore on the mainstream media channels. Aside from a body count here and there and two of the three candidates running for President spouting bullshit about pulling troops out we honestly don't get much on Iraq from the news media.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    gleemonex wrote:
    Why wouldn't this be all over the mainstream media if it were true? I think this would certainly have people glued to their television in the days of 24 hour news channels.

    The B1 incident specificaly?
    I don't know.
    I was reading another site that suggested it may have actualy been a test of Iranian defensive capabilities.
    Perhaps our military was just not aware of it, as it was an intelligence operation, and they shot down what they thought was a potentialy hostile target. All though if you hear a guy speaking perfect english ... ?

    Anyhow what do you make of this?
    "Turning Point 2" - Israel's Largest Ever Emergency Exercise Took Place on Monday
    Turning Point 2 wrote:
    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared a state of emergency Monday following "a barrage of hundreds of missiles from Syria, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip," as the country's largest-ever emergency exercise, "Turning Point 2," continues[...more in article]

    You don't put on an exercise like that for nothing!
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  • gleemonex
    gleemonex Posts: 848
    I don't think much of that training mission. It seems like they are making sure people are prepared for a situation that could possibly happen.

    ""There's no cause for alarm - these are intended purely as exercises," said Yoram Ohayon, the head of the police's operations division."
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    gleemonex wrote:
    I don't think much of that training mission. It seems like they are making sure people are prepared for a situation that could possibly happen.

    ""There's no cause for alarm - these are intended purely as exercises," said Yoram Ohayon, the head of the police's operations division."

    Ask yourself this:
    Why would Syria and Lebanon suddenly start a massive bombing campaign against Israel?

    Answer: If Israel started a new round of agressive military actions, they would respond.

    Disclaimer: And no I'm not saying Hezbollah is a stand up group. I'm saying actions like massive rocket attacks usualy occur after Israel has done something to "stir the pot". Add this training exercise to 4 other news articles that say the US is preparing for a bombing campaign against Iran & Israel is ready to start bombing Syria and Lebanon .... and suddenly it makes a little more sense, yes?

    But i understand your concern.
    Surely if there was validity to any of this, the US War Monger "Media" Corporations (remeber NBC is owned by GE?) would surely tell us.

    Right.
    Surely.
    Right.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Ask yourself this:
    Why would Syria and Lebanon suddenly start a massive bombing campaign against Israel?

    Answer: If Israel started a new round of agressive military actions, they would respond.

    Disclaimer: And no I'm not saying Hezbollah is a stand up group. I'm saying actions like massive rocket attacks usualy occur after Israel has done something to "stir the pot". Add this training exercise to 4 other news articles that say the US is preparing for a bombing campaign against Iran & Israel is ready to start bombing Syria and Lebanon .... and suddenly it makes a little more sense, yes?

    But i understand your concern.
    Surely if there was validity to any of this, the US War Monger "Media" Corporations (remeber NBC is owned by GE?) would surely tell us.

    Right.
    Surely.
    Right.

    what's an example of "stir the pot" ? (one that would justify a "massive bombing campaign")
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what's an example of "stir the pot" ? (one that would justify a "massive bombing campaign")

    a. i NEVER said it would "justify" anything.
    I just said you would expect a reaction.

    b. an example in this case would be Israeli bombings on Syrian targets, or Israeli troop movement in to Lebanon.

    Wether the Israeli's think they are being "defensive" in going after Hebollah targets proactively or not, the countries they would actualy be ATTACKING would view this as cause for returning fire.
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  • mozetti
    mozetti Posts: 95
    I've got a couple questions:

    What was this huge April 7th announcement? I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary.

    The sources for the stories you've cited at "proof" rely on statements from Russia and middle-eastern countries -- both of them have reason to, and have been shown to, issue anti-American propoganda. While you instinctively distrust news sources like CNN & Reuters, you instinctively trust other unverified sources. Why is that?
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    mozetti wrote:
    I've got a couple questions:

    What was this huge April 7th announcement? I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary.

    The sources for the stories you've cited at "proof" rely on statements from Russia and middle-eastern countries -- both of them have reason to, and have been shown to, issue anti-American propoganda. While you instinctively distrust news sources like CNN & Reuters, you instinctively trust other unverified sources. Why is that?

    April 7th announcement?
    Oh, Alex?
    Lol.
    It turned out he was adding an extra hour to his show.
    Which actualy is AWESOME news, but totally unrelated.

    Why do i "instinctively" trust a russian news source? I DON'T. However recently news sources out of Russia have been the first to report on Iran going off the dollar for oil, and guess what? They were right! Did the US media EVER report on that? No.

    So, i don't give any extra creedence to news from those sources, but when you have 4 or 5 articles from 3 or 4 different eastern sources that all say the same thing, it starts to add up to SOMEthing.

    Unless you ignorantly think that ONLY the US media tells the truth.

    In which case you end up looking like a bigger fool than taking a leap of faith and assuming that maybe, just maybe, sources from the east might actualy tell the truth, if it meant getting the word out to the world about pending war.
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