The Iraq War - Legal or Illegal

firstquartermoon

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Legally according to who? The US?

The UN never mandated the use of military force in Iraq

Do the opinions of all the other countries around the world not mean anything anymore..

So this world belongs to Bush, and his grandiose ideas on who should be allowed to live and die until it (if ever) suits him?

hmm

We are a soveriegn nation, and as such we don't really answer to anyone (and neither should other peaceful nations.)
If another country were to invade another country (let's say Russia invades Afghanistan) would we argue whether or not it's illegal, or would our president train and arm an extremist military that would never come back and bite us in the ass (sarcasm).

Strangest Tribe

farfromglorified wrote:

LOL...I'm not worried about youtube "breaking or hacking my computer browser". I simply don't have any interest in debating some video snippet.

You watched it didn't ya?


You just can't argue with it

.....chickenshit

jeffbr

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You watched it didn't ya?


You just can't argue with it

.....chickenshit

Either you're dense, or goading him. I've never seen FFG afraid to argue anything.

I don't click on Roland's links and haven't for months. If he can make an argument in his own words, and cite sources, that would be one thing. But his MO is to post a link and think that the link is the argument. Lots of people here don't have any desire to sit around clicking Roland's links.

firstquartermoon

jeffbr wrote:

Either you're dense, or goading him. I've never seen FFG afraid to argue anything.

I don't click on Roland's links and haven't for months. If he can make an argument in his own words, and cite sources, that would be one thing. But his MO is to post a link and think that the link is the argument. Lots of people here don't have any desire to sit around clicking Roland's links.

Aww, come on. The cat's a little cute, if somewhat dull.

Also, the video doesn't quite give us the reason why they find the war illegal. They simply just trot out some pictures of people being tortured and killed. Horrible, yes. Part of the war that was voted through by our elected officials (rightly or wrongly is not the issue here, just the legality of the war) and carried out exactly as promised: not very well.
To clarify, I'm against the war, but to argue the legality seems pointless.

Strangest Tribe

jeffbr wrote:

Either you're dense, or goading him. I've never seen FFG afraid to argue anything.

I don't click on Roland's links and haven't for months. If he can make an argument in his own words, and cite sources, that would be one thing. But his MO is to post a link and think that the link is the argument. Lots of people here don't have any desire to sit around clicking Roland's links.

Watch the video. Then argue.

It's pretty straightforward and definitely made for those that have thick skulls, live in a perpetual state of accountability denial.

Strangest Tribe

firstquartermoon wrote:

Also, the video doesn't quite give us the reason why they find the war illegal. They simply just trot out some pictures of people being tortured and killed. Horrible, yes. Part of the war that was voted through by our elected officials (rightly or wrongly is not the issue here, just the legality of the war) and carried out exactly as promised: not very well.
To clarify, I'm against the war, but to argue the legality seems pointless.

You weren't paying attention... see the part where we (the US) signed the UN charter. We can't declare war (according to the UN charter we signed) unless:

1. We are attacked (self-defense) which we weren't
2. UN must sanction the war (it didn't)

those are the same as the laws of the 6th amendment to the constitution, therefore the war was illegal.


Watch the whole video!!! don't go to the 12 min spot.

See it in it's entirety.

ADD people

firstquartermoon

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You weren't paying attention... see the part where we (the US) signed the UN charter. We can't declare war (according to the UN charter we signed) unless:

1. We are attacked (self-defense) which we weren't
2. UN must sanction the war (it didn't)

those are the same as the laws of the 6th amendment to the constitution, therefore the war was illegal.


Watch the whole video!!! don't go to the 12 min spot.

See it in it's entirety.

ADD people

1> This is why Bush told us that Saddam was to blame for 9/11. Did he lie on purpose, or was he himself mislead, or did he mix the facts? Without intent you can't make either case.

Strangest Tribe

firstquartermoon wrote:

1> This is why Bush told us that Saddam was to blame for 9/11. Did he lie on purpose, or was he himself mislead, or did he mix the facts? Without intent you can't make either case.

Actually Saddam's link to 9/11 was dismissed before we invaded.

WMD's was the official excuse.

the CIA could not link Saddam with Al Quieda, they tried very hard but came across with no credibility.

essentially Saddam would have supported Al Quieda about as much as Jerry Fallwell would have supported Louis Farrakhan.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

firstquartermoon wrote:

Aww, come on. The cat's a little cute, if somewhat dull.

Also, the video doesn't quite give us the reason why they find the war illegal. They simply just trot out some pictures of people being tortured and killed. Horrible, yes. Part of the war that was voted through by our elected officials (rightly or wrongly is not the issue here, just the legality of the war) and carried out exactly as promised: not very well.
To clarify, I'm against the war, but to argue the legality seems pointless.

Did you watch it all to make that conclusion? It lays it all out rather clearly.

torture? basic human rights denied? executing the wounded? off the top of my head.

The Geneva convention has been shat on so thoroughly it's been buried, suffocated, and has turned on to compost.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You weren't paying attention... see the part where we (the US) signed the UN charter. We can't declare war (according to the UN charter we signed) unless:

1. We are attacked (self-defense) which we weren't
2. UN must sanction the war (it didn't)

those are the same as the laws of the 6th amendment to the constitution, therefore the war was illegal.


Watch the whole video!!! don't go to the 12 min spot.

See it in it's entirety.

ADD people

ADD yes I concur...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

Either you're dense, or goading him. I've never seen FFG afraid to argue anything.

I don't click on Roland's links and haven't for months. If he can make an argument in his own words, and cite sources, that would be one thing. But his MO is to post a link and think that the link is the argument. Lots of people here don't have any desire to sit around clicking Roland's links.

Then you're opining blindly for what reasons specifically???

slap...

if you actually looked you would have already saved yourself time whining about it....Mr no time..

your logic is frightening.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

in any event....a closed mind catches no knowledge

farfromglorified

Strangest Tribe wrote:

You watched it didn't ya?


You just can't argue with it

.....chickenshit

LOL...no, I didn't watch it. And regardless of what it is, I'm quite sure I could argue with it.

If you want to argue, make your case. But please don't pretend it's not ironic to call someone chickenshit, anonymously, on a message board, whilst hiding behind the arguments of others in a youtube link.

Strangest Tribe

yeah you're right it's ironic I won't pretend you're clever though watch the clip.

whilst you are at Youtube watch those crazy dog videos where they say "I love you..."


....crazy dogs

RolandTD20Kdrummer

kinda hard to argue facts and reality...

searchlightsoul

farfromglorified wrote:

Seeming as the UN has taken no direct action against the US, nor has it even attempted to, they have a different interpretation of their law than you do.

The UN is only as strong as its weakest link.....the US

RolandTD20Kdrummer

farfromglorified wrote:

LOL...no, I didn't watch it. And regardless of what it is, I'm quite sure I could argue with it.

If you want to argue, make your case. But please don't pretend it's not ironic to call someone chickenshit, anonymously, on a message board, whilst hiding behind the arguments of others in a youtube link.

get real.. If the sky is blue why bother writing an essay saying so because someone is too damn lazy and defiant (or whatever the strange case may be) to participate effectively. Yeesh...

And talking about saving time. My time is just as valuable as anyone else's thank you very much. If I can summarize it in a timely manner then so be it...

I can see all the threads you start...fucking zillions

farfromglorified

searchlightsoul wrote:

The UN is only as strong as its weakest link.....the US

If you're going to try to count the weak links in the UN, you best be prepared to make a bigger list.

Certainly in many cases the US has served to undermine, subvert, and generally derail the UN, but we are far from alone. As it stands today, the UN is a body of convenience, not a body of sovereign principle. And that's much bigger than "the US".

farfromglorified

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

get real..

I am real.

If the sky is blue why bother writing an essay saying so because someone is too damn lazy and defiant (or whatever the strange case may be) to participate effectively.

You have no obligation to write an essay, or even debate with me. I've laid out my terms: if you want to debate, make a case. If you don't wish to do so, that's cool, regardless of your reasoning.

And talking about saving time. My time is just as valuable as anyone else's thank you very much. If I can summarize it in a timely manner then so be it...

Yes, so be it.

I can see all the threads you start...fucking zillions

LOL...what is this about?

Abookamongstthemany

farfromglorified wrote:

I am real.

Prove it.