The Iraq War - Legal or Illegal
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Some people need to hear it like this. Not saying here in particular...just spread it around as necessary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Khut8xbXK8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Khut8xbXK8&feature=related
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Less than casual points on war crimes, and crimes against humanity are made quite undeniably.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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According to the UN charter guidelines outlined at 12 mins in ...uhhhm...definitely illegal.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The UN is not a world government and has no authority to do anything without member nations consent. That's what he was getting at I think. I think most of us were against the US acting for the most part Unilaterally but the idea that it's illegal would mean that there is some how a real international soverign government that dosen't exist.
Pretty much the UN is only a forum for member nations and or population delegates to get toegther and try to avoid giant conflict... the resolutions are worth about as much as the Treaties the US provided the people they encountered during the quest for manifest destiny. More or less guidelines that are unenforceable unless some member nation decides to use them for one reason or another. Politcal BS really.... like money it's backed in trust only.
They would have to take action against the US to enforce a resolution and as of yet not much of anything has happened.
Seeming as the UN has taken no direct action against the US, nor has it even attempted to, they have a different interpretation of their law than you do.
looks good on paper I suppose...in real life we all know that the traditional rules of military conduct have been thoroughly raped and depict distinct criminal type behaviours.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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"The traditional rules of military conduct have been thoroughly raped and depict distinct criminal type behaviours" because military conduct is the action of shooting at people with guns in an attempt to force them to do things they don't want to do. So why we would ever expect anything less than "criminal type behaviours" out of warfare is beyond me.
not even close
just watch the video at 12 mins for a few mins
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No thanks. If you post an article or transcript, I'll review it.
well you're argument here is lost then...
I have no source for the transcript.. and I'm not typing it up..heh
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LOL...
Ok.
Well, if you don't trust my link, or think I'm tricking you into clicking something heinous, goto to youtube and search The Iraq War: Legal or Illegal? drag the slider to 12 mins ...watch for a few mins
surely youtube will not break or hack your computer browser
then you will see what I'm saying.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Saddam's "crimes" were miniscule compared to those our leaders have conspired and perpetrated over the last five years.
If we had balls to practice what we preach (globaly) ...then definitely illegal.
LOL...I'm not worried about youtube "breaking or hacking my computer browser". I simply don't have any interest in debating some video snippet.
It's a little more than that...nice attempt at a trivialize though.
facts speak for themselves in any medium...
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Your link is a "video snippet", is it not? I'm not suggesting that it doesn't have any merit, nor am I trying to trivialize it. I'm simply telling you I have no interest in debating the content of a video snippet.
Absolutely!
Words are words...whether you listen to them or read them.
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Agreed.
With that said, your argument is flawed.
If you made a legal argument that the President purposely mislead the people (which it seems he did) then a case could be made.
But, all of the evidence against the war was there, and still Congress voted to give the president the power to go to war.
So, in this sense, it is a legal war.
The video that you reference brings up war-crimes, which are committed in every war, and should be prosecuted. Also, are there facts that the kitties didn't bring up that tells us that the war was illiegal? If so, what?
The video is monotone (I don't expect flash and pizzazz, but not mind-numbing.)
Anyway, not to be too unfair to the Pinky Show, the war is wrong, war-crimes are wrong, the President lied, Congress blindly followed, the media followed and most Americans went along with the rest of them.
But as far as going to war, it was done "legally"
Legally according to who? The US?
The UN never mandated the use of military force in Iraq
Do the opinions of all the other countries around the world not mean anything anymore..
So this world belongs to Bush, and his grandiose ideas on who should be allowed to live and die until it (if ever) suits him?
hmm
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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We are a soveriegn nation, and as such we don't really answer to anyone (and neither should other peaceful nations.)
If another country were to invade another country (let's say Russia invades Afghanistan) would we argue whether or not it's illegal, or would our president train and arm an extremist military that would never come back and bite us in the ass (sarcasm).
You watched it didn't ya?
You just can't argue with it
.....chickenshit
Either you're dense, or goading him. I've never seen FFG afraid to argue anything.
I don't click on Roland's links and haven't for months. If he can make an argument in his own words, and cite sources, that would be one thing. But his MO is to post a link and think that the link is the argument. Lots of people here don't have any desire to sit around clicking Roland's links.
Aww, come on. The cat's a little cute, if somewhat dull.
Also, the video doesn't quite give us the reason why they find the war illegal. They simply just trot out some pictures of people being tortured and killed. Horrible, yes. Part of the war that was voted through by our elected officials (rightly or wrongly is not the issue here, just the legality of the war) and carried out exactly as promised: not very well.
To clarify, I'm against the war, but to argue the legality seems pointless.
Watch the video. Then argue.
It's pretty straightforward and definitely made for those that have thick skulls, live in a perpetual state of accountability denial.
You weren't paying attention... see the part where we (the US) signed the UN charter. We can't declare war (according to the UN charter we signed) unless:
1. We are attacked (self-defense) which we weren't
2. UN must sanction the war (it didn't)
those are the same as the laws of the 6th amendment to the constitution, therefore the war was illegal.
Watch the whole video!!! don't go to the 12 min spot.
See it in it's entirety.
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1> This is why Bush told us that Saddam was to blame for 9/11. Did he lie on purpose, or was he himself mislead, or did he mix the facts? Without intent you can't make either case.
Actually Saddam's link to 9/11 was dismissed before we invaded.
WMD's was the official excuse.
the CIA could not link Saddam with Al Quieda, they tried very hard but came across with no credibility.
essentially Saddam would have supported Al Quieda about as much as Jerry Fallwell would have supported Louis Farrakhan.
Did you watch it all to make that conclusion? It lays it all out rather clearly.
torture? basic human rights denied? executing the wounded? off the top of my head.
The Geneva convention has been shat on so thoroughly it's been buried, suffocated, and has turned on to compost.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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ADD yes I concur...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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