Coming to a Community Near You: Blackwater
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Blackwater primer by Jeremy Scahill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8
Blackwater primer by Jeremy Scahill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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1. Iowa Department of Natural Resources
2. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff's Department
3. Matthews, North Carolina Police
4. Atlanta Police
5. Chillicothe, Ohio Police
6. Charleston, South Carolina Police
7. Port Chester, NY Police
8. Highland, Indiana Police
9. Unalaska, Alaska Police
10. Metropolitan Washington, DC Police
11. Charlottesville, Virginia Police
12. Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (Dulles and Reagan National Airports)
13. St. Louis County Police (Missouri)
14. Queen Anne's County, Maryland Police
15. Prince George's County, Maryland Police
16. FBI SWAT Team
17. Gloucester Township, New Jersey Police
18. Tempe, Arizona Police
19. New York Police Department
20. Yonkers, New York Police
21. Fairfax County, Virginia Police
22. Maplewood, New Jersey Police
23. Gastonia, North Carolina Police
24. Tampa Police
25. U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
26. DeKalb County, Georgia Police
27. Arlington County, Virginia Police
28. Baltimore Police
29. U.S. Coast Guard
30. Suffolk, Virginia Police
31. Franklin City, Virginia Police
32. Milford, Delaware Police
33. University of Texas Police
34. Norfolk, Virginia Police
35. Ottawa-Carleton, Canada Police
36. San Bernardino County, California Sheriff
37. Plattsburgh, New York Police
38. Chicago Police Department
39. Oregon State Police
40. Los Angeles Police Department
41. Tonawanda, New York Police
42. Special Forces of Colombia
43. Jacksonville, North Carolina Police
44. Harvey Cedars, New Jersey Police
45. Elmira, New York Police
46. Department of Corrections, New Jersey
47. Lexington, Kentucky Police
48. Willimantic, Connecticut Police
49. Georgia Department of Law Enforcement
50. City of Fairfax, Virginia Police
51. Alexandria, Virginia Police Special Operations
52. Illinois State Police
53. Dallas, Texas Police
54. Hamilton, Ohio Police
55. Morganton, North Carolina Police
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't know. Maybe they have expertise in some situations. What do your conspiracy nut friends think? Are they going to round us up and start shooting us?
What kind of situations would you expect a mercenary army to train regular civilian police officers?
can you list a few?
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It's probably part of the homeland security budget. How convenient.
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Close quarters defense, firearms training, k9 training, general security consulting, etc...
Your "mercenary army" tag, while probably accurate for what they're doing in Iraq, is hardly what they have been known for pre-Iraq. The founder is a former Navy SEAL. I'm sure a Navy SEAL could teach a cop a thing or two.
Now that I've answered your questions, answer my original question - what do your wacky conspiracy nut friends think Blackwater is up to domestically?
That is probably true. I'm no fan of Homeland Security or the bullshit Blackwater has been up to in Iraq.
All of that is already available. So why use Blackwater? They're not exactly cheap btw.
Did you notice they are expensive at all?
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051010/scahill
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702214.html
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/25320/
http://www.counterpunch.org/maass06022006.html
Readily available by other consultants? So what? If someone chooses Acme Security or Blackwater USA, why does it get your panties in a bunch?
As far as cost goes, perhaps Gue is correct. Maybe there is some sort of idiotic federal subsidy for police forces who choose Blackwater.
You never answered my question.
You question is pointless. Why do you think I'm posting about it?
For one, it can be seen as a combining of police and military. In reality it is, however why use special military training with the high price tag?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think this says it all about the idiots blackwater employ.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
9. Unalaska
Unalaska! That's golden! Big terror threat on a tiny island in the Aleutians. Someone probably mistook a drunk Inuit for a terrorist and called in the cavalry.
Everything I've seen, heard, and read about Blackwater leads me to the conclusion that they're a bunch of above the law, trigger happy, backwoods, no conscious having assholes. They damn sure don't have a place training a civilian police force.
You're right Unalaska looks pretty suspicious... it's disguised as a quiet sleepy town on an island in the wilderness of Alaska...how insidious!
Oh the humanity...
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The "conspiracy nut" tactic, how pitful? Everyone is not ex-Navy Seal are they, hell some aren't even citizens of the U.S. or hold loyality to any country.
Every state has a police training center, why do we need to have a private paramilitary force training public law enforcement officers. If Homeland is funding this training then why not send them to VA(Quantico), GA, FL, TX, CO, CA or UT for advance military training courses? There are advance U.S. military training instruction site all over the U.S., Blackwater is not unique in this training.
So, what do you think Blackwater is up to?
Police forces can't learn anything from the military? If A group of active special forces came to your local police department to train the police in SWAT type training or bomb squad or urban combat, would you have a problem with that? or is it just because it's Blackwater?
Edit - Besides the fact that there is probably some Haliburtan style kickback and/or overbilling going on, I don't have a problem with them training police forces. I'm sure that in specialized fields, they are better trained then the average local cop.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Seems to me that the State law enforcement personnel would be better trained to teach the military about urban combat. Both the ATF and FBI train and work with law enforcement personnel for bomb squads. Again, why is Blackwater needed?
Probably because our gov't needs to find more ways to get more contracts/money to Blackwater.
It just seems like there is some other sinister motive that Roland is implying, and I don't know what that would be. Maybe I'm just calloused to the fact that our gov't (especially this administration) has shady side-deals to companies and people...
And do you think state law enforcement could train the military in urban combat? I think you have that backwards.
was like a picture
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Consider the source.
Blackwater isn't unique, they are one of many private security companies that do everything from providing protection for ambassadors / public officials, to security consulting, to law enforcement training, to paramilitary operations. Do you really not understand why private firms train public and private officials, groups and companies?
I already answered a number of posts ago. I think it is what it looks like. They are providing training to law enforcement. Sorry if that isn't sexy enough for Team Tin Hat.
If you really believe this, then that explains the major disconnect we will continue to have. State law enforcement training military personnel in urban combat? Jesus Christ, New Mexico must have one hell of a special forces oriented state patrol. Please provide ANY examples of state law enforcement providing tactical urban combat training to our armed forces. I'd be really interested in this.
This is the logical explanation for me. It is one thing to be skeptical and cynical, it is another to indulge in "sky is falling" doomsday fantasies.
Consider the State and its activities. Yes, we do have a well trained State law enforcement personnel.
After events in Samolia, the military instituted close quarter urban training and it was incorporated at the War College in Maryland and invited speakers were law enforcement officers. Stop acting like the military is know all.
This is your interpretation not mines, thus, your fantasy.
I believe you were the original source of the quote.
I understand the purpose of a security firm, even Blackwater on a domestic level and when utilized in the security of a facility. Their role for training local law enforcement, no I don't understand the justification for their involvement.
what is so hard to understand? they are a bunch of american ex-military highly trained people. here is just one requirement for working at blackwater
Minimum of 8 years of active US military experience (National Guard & reserve time does not count) and qualified in Special Operations Forces (Navy: SEAL, Army: Special Forces, Ranger, Marine: Force Recon, Air Force CCT, PJ)
they bring years of experience to the table. they seem like a perfect fit to train young rookie civilian police force.
seriously, what don't you understand?
I was the source of the quote. But let me try this again, with a little more clarity, and less room for you to get sidetracked: Consider the source of the thread, which prompted the quote.
There are thousands of consulting firms consulting public and private organizations on many and diverse topics. You can find consultants to provide specialized expertise in fields ranging from business efficiency to accounting to specialized areas of employment law to specialized weapons usage to crowd control to executive protection, etc... Blackwater is just one of those thousands. A law enforcement organization can't be expert at all things. They are, by nature, generalists. They need specialized expertise to come in and provide training. Every law enforcement agency does it to one degree or another.
You and I were interacting, not Roland, thus, I wasn't sidetracked, I was responding directly to you. Clarification noted.
I have concerns when a company, even if it presents itself as a security consulting firm, is contracted for training and/or supplemental local law enforcement protection, and, yet is permitted to operate domestically in secret and without public accountability. It's not like they're training the police to be bodyguards. Seems to me you're ok with allowing Blackwater to do what you would never permit the FBI/CIA simply because they're a private entity.
"...is permitted to operate domestically in secret and without public accountability."
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I thought we were talking about them being hired to train police? how are they operating domestically in secret if they are training? And if they or any of their employees commit a crime, why wouldn't they be subject to our legal system (public accountability).
Question for you... let's say your local small town police force pays a local guy who happens to be a retired green beret to come in a couple of times to teach officers different hand-to-hand combat skills.... would you have a problem with that?
Besides the money thing which I already conceded is a problem, I just can't figure out what the main issue is with this whole thing?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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But that's normal...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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