US nuclear weapons being guarded by Israel

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I didn't read the article, but to what extent are they providing security. Are they providing physical security, guards etc.., are they conducting the hiring and screening process, or are they developing security systems for these facilities?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Your acting as if we handed the launch coded over to the Israeli government.

    Do you need the launch code if you actually get your hands on one?
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  • even flow?
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    mammasan wrote:
    My problem with the posts deal was that UAE , as well as many of those Arab sheikdoms, is that they support radical islam by building and funding the madrahas that indoctrinate young muslims into that brand of Islam. Any country that willingly pays for these young men, and women, to learn to hate us should not have tthe right to do business with us or on our soil.


    My comment wasn't really directed at you. I just used your quote cause it fit my comment. Anyway, in a pretend world where a Jewish guy wants to show the world that they have nuclear capability and gets toasted for it. Oh yeah that was real. So you can trust everybody to not want monetary gain and just happen to leak something. That is bad when it is just national security. Mulitiply that by another country now. Safe?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Do you need the launch code if you actually get your hands on one?


    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    My comment wasn't really directed at you. I just used your quote cause it fit my comment. Anyway, in a pretend world where a Jewish guy wants to show the world that they have nuclear capability and gets toasted for it. Oh yeah that was real. So you can trust everybody to not want monetary gain and just happen to leak something. That is bad when it is just national security. Mulitiply that by another country now. Safe?

    Well what is the extent of the security that they are providing? As I asked before are they providing physical security, conducting the hiring and screening, or just developing security systems for us.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.


    Right, you just give them away to have airbases and corrupt leaders of bad nations on your side. ;)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Right, you just give them away to have airbases and corrupt leaders of bad nations on your side. ;)

    I can't argue with you there.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.

    Really?
    It seems it was 'easy enough' for a B-52 bomber to "mistakenly" be loaded with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states a short time ago.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You think something as sensitive as nuclear weapons should be trusted to another country?

    Going purely on defaults, would this scenario appear more or less secure to you?

    People are people. Let's stop all the nationalistic nonsense. Are US companies more trustworthy than Israeli companies?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.

    It doesn't have to be. Six went for a free ride on a b-52 quite recently.
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  • mammasan
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    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Really?
    It seems it was 'easy enough' for a B-52 bomber to "mistakenly" be loaded with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states a short time ago.

    As stupid as that maybe, the US military mistakingly loading warhead on a plane is one think. Security guards driving off with one in the trunk of his Honda Civic is something else.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    know1 wrote:
    People are people. Let's stop all the nationalistic nonsense. Are US companies more trustworthy than Israeli companies?


    Is the US the same country as Israel?

    That right there is a pretty huge reason.
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  • Anon
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    mammasan wrote:
    As stupid as that maybe, the US military mistakingly loading warhead on a plane is one think. Security guards driving off with one in the trunk of his Honda Civic is something else.
    6 warheads being mistakingly loaded on a plane? And someone, not one person, somehow, somewhere, didn't notice? With all the security you would assume is around them? The red tape that you would have had to assumingly cross to have access them? Someone didn't notice? Apparently not.

    You'd like to think that one wouldn't be touring around in the back of a Honda Civic easily. I agree. Just like i'd like to think that we won't have any more taking joy rides around the countryside without anyone knowing they were missing.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    6 warheads being mistakingly loaded on a plane? And someone, not one person, somehow, somewhere, didn't notice? With all the security you would assume is around them? The red tape that you would have had to assumingly cross to have access them? Someone didn't notice? Apparently not.

    You'd like to think that one wouldn't be touring around in the back of a Honda Civic easily. I agree. Just like i'd like to think that we won't have any more taking joy rides around the countryside without anyone knowing they were missing.

    Well then this Israeli firm can't possibly be any worse than our own military.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Well then this Israeli firm can't possibly be any worse than our own military.

    Broken logic.

    All one needs to do is remove the patriotism aspect for a particular link, and you welcome in a host of ongoing issues.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what problem would that be?

    the problem that we somehow believe one nation is more virtuous then the next ... i would say mossad is in the top 5 of most active spy/covert groups in the world right now ...
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    I think the pertinent question to be asked is why? Why should we hire an Israeli firm to watch over the weapons. Yes, the U.S. will still have their eyes on the prize if you will. But do we really need to hire outside of our own country. Especially to another country that is as violence provoking as we are? I do believe this is a first for me, agreeing with a Roland thread.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Broken logic.

    All one needs to do is remove the patriotism aspect for a particular link, and you welcome in a host of ongoing issues.

    How is that broken logic. I would prefer the best people qualified for such an important task. If this firm is the best qualified, even above our own military, then who cares.
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  • jlew24asu
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    polaris wrote:
    the problem that we somehow believe one nation is more virtuous then the next ... i would say mossad is in the top 5 of most active spy/covert groups in the world right now ...

    we are talking about Israel and Dubai. Israel has been a trusted friend for a long time. dubai certainly is a friend too but, IMO, we run a risk of a muslim extremists mixing in with the bunch. maybe turning a blind eye to some fellow muslims who want to harm the US.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    How is that broken logic. I would prefer the best people qualified for such an important task. If this firm is the best qualified, even above our own military, then who cares.

    You automatically assume they are the best...why?

    What leads you towards that conclusion?
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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