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US nuclear weapons being guarded by Israel

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
"American supporters of Israel were delighted to learn that an Israeli company, Magal Security Systems-owned in part by the government of Israel-is in charge of security for the most sensitive nuclear power and weapons storage facilities in the United States

The largest perimeter security company in the world, Magal started out as a division of Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI)-which was owned in part by the government of Israel. In recent years, however, Magal evolved into a publicly-traded company, although IAI (and thus the government of Israel) still holds a substantial share in the highly successful firm.


What all of this means is that the government of Israel will actually have control over the security of America's nuclear weapons."


http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2007/09/26/8910.shtml
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    so?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so?

    So?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • somebodyelsessky2020somebodyelsessky2020 Posts: 1,173
    i feel very much safer now...thanks for letting me know. i'm going to sleep good tonight.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't really see the problem with an Israeli owned security firm guarding our weapons. Now if it was an Iranian owned firm then I would see the need for concern.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't really see the problem with an Israeli owned security firm guarding our weapons. Now if it was an Iranian owned firm then I would see the need for concern.

    You think something as sensitive as nuclear weapons should be trusted to another country?

    Going purely on defaults, would this scenario appear more or less secure to you?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't really see the problem with an Israeli owned security firm guarding our weapons. Now if it was an Iranian owned firm then I would see the need for concern.

    and therein lies the problem
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You think something as sensitive as nuclear weapons should be trusted to another country?

    Going purely on defaults, would this scenario appear more or less secure to you?

    kinda naive to think someone from the US doesnt have a pair of eyes on our nukes at all times no?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    and therein lies the problem

    what problem would that be?
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't really see the problem with an Israeli owned security firm guarding our weapons. Now if it was an Iranian owned firm then I would see the need for concern.


    That same problem with Dubai owning the ports? Can somebody say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    kinda naive to think someone from the US doesnt have a pair of eyes on our nukes at all times no?

    Eyes not directly on. Are you actually trying to suggest nothing has changed?

    Can't you even see the irony?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Eyes not directly on. Are you actually trying to suggest nothing has changed?

    Can't you even see the irony?

    I dont really see what you're getting at. you seem to believe Israel now has 100% control of US nukes. its just a security firm. US has plenty of people involved too.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    That same problem with Dubai owning the ports? Can somebody say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    I love Dubai but I have a serious problem with letting them own the ports. I really dont understand why this happened. maybe a sign of good faith that the US can and will work with muslim countries. but I still dont like it.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You think something as sensitive as nuclear weapons should be trusted to another country?

    Going purely on defaults, would this scenario appear more or less secure to you?

    I would prefer that our military guarded these facilities, but I'm not going to scream bloody hell just because an Israeli firm is doing it.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I love Dubai but I have a serious problem with letting them own the ports. I really dont understand why this happened. maybe a sign of good faith that the US can and will work with muslim countries. but I still dont like it.


    Juding by your posts on this thread, I don't think Polaris needs to come back and explain himself for you. You did a good job of that yourself.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    Juding by your posts on this thread, I don't think Polaris needs to come back and explain himself for you. You did a good job of that yourself.

    what the hell are you talking about
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont really see what you're getting at. you seem to believe Israel now has 100% control of US nukes. its just a security firm. US has plenty of people involved too.


    They're only nuclear weapons...why not eh?

    Why not outsource their security?

    wow...the questions you ask sometimes...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    That same problem with Dubai owning the ports? Can somebody say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    My problem with the posts deal was that UAE , as well as many of those Arab sheikdoms, is that they support radical islam by building and funding the madrahas that indoctrinate young muslims into that brand of Islam. Any country that willingly pays for these young men, and women, to learn to hate us should not have tthe right to do business with us or on our soil.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They're only nuclear weapons...why not eh?

    Why not outsource their security?

    wow...the questions you ask sometimes...

    again, Magal Security Systems is a respected security firm whos services are used all around the world. stop pretending they are the only ones with access to US nukes.

    wow the pointless threads you make sometimes.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They're only nuclear weapons...why not eh?

    Why not outsource their security?

    wow...the questions you ask sometimes...

    Your acting as if we handed the launch coded over to the Israeli government.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, Magal Security Systems is a respected security firm whos services are used all around the world. stop pretending they are the only ones with access to US nukes.

    wow the pointless threads you make sometimes.

    A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Think about that. for a second....

    ok....now think about nuclear weapons.

    ( I'm afraid to ask...) but what seems most logical to you?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I didn't read the article, but to what extent are they providing security. Are they providing physical security, guards etc.., are they conducting the hiring and screening process, or are they developing security systems for these facilities?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Your acting as if we handed the launch coded over to the Israeli government.

    Do you need the launch code if you actually get your hands on one?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    My problem with the posts deal was that UAE , as well as many of those Arab sheikdoms, is that they support radical islam by building and funding the madrahas that indoctrinate young muslims into that brand of Islam. Any country that willingly pays for these young men, and women, to learn to hate us should not have tthe right to do business with us or on our soil.


    My comment wasn't really directed at you. I just used your quote cause it fit my comment. Anyway, in a pretend world where a Jewish guy wants to show the world that they have nuclear capability and gets toasted for it. Oh yeah that was real. So you can trust everybody to not want monetary gain and just happen to leak something. That is bad when it is just national security. Mulitiply that by another country now. Safe?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Do you need the launch code if you actually get your hands on one?


    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    My comment wasn't really directed at you. I just used your quote cause it fit my comment. Anyway, in a pretend world where a Jewish guy wants to show the world that they have nuclear capability and gets toasted for it. Oh yeah that was real. So you can trust everybody to not want monetary gain and just happen to leak something. That is bad when it is just national security. Mulitiply that by another country now. Safe?

    Well what is the extent of the security that they are providing? As I asked before are they providing physical security, conducting the hiring and screening, or just developing security systems for us.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.


    Right, you just give them away to have airbases and corrupt leaders of bad nations on your side. ;)
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Right, you just give them away to have airbases and corrupt leaders of bad nations on your side. ;)

    I can't argue with you there.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.

    Really?
    It seems it was 'easy enough' for a B-52 bomber to "mistakenly" be loaded with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states a short time ago.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You think something as sensitive as nuclear weapons should be trusted to another country?

    Going purely on defaults, would this scenario appear more or less secure to you?

    People are people. Let's stop all the nationalistic nonsense. Are US companies more trustworthy than Israeli companies?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude we are not some failed soviet state where the generals come in and steal the nukes in order to make money on the black market. Even if this firm is providing physical security, ther are still US military personal at these facilities and lifting a nuclear warhead isn't as easy as lifting a CD at the local Best Buy.

    It doesn't have to be. Six went for a free ride on a b-52 quite recently.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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