The common sense approach to why 9/11 was clearly an inside job
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Found this on the internet....food for thought.
Edit It almost makes you wonder if the US was "reached out and touched" (so to speak) by Israel...."psst...hey...come over and join us....the water is much warmer ($$$) over here!! "
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=drkg9jg_14153xr6fcg2
"If terrorism was really a threat to the US, don't you think we would have had another attack since 9/11? It wouldn't even have to be more airplane attacks. It could be bombs blowing up buses, houses, trains, but no - it hasn't happened. That shows that there is ABSOLUTELY no homegrown terrorist threat to the US. If you have any common knowledge, you know that you can find most of the ingredients to make a bomb in your local Walmart (Fox has even done reports on it). There are NO terrorists in the US (except for the government, of course).
And then also, look at all the legislation that has been justified in the name of this one, lone 9/11 attack: The Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, the FISA warantless wiretapping act, stupid security measures at the airports, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq war, soon to be the Iran and Syria wars. All of this justified in the name of one isolated attack. Just thinking about it in a common sense approach only leaves one conclusion: COMPLETE inside job.
Now, is there a terrorist threat to Middle Eastern countries - or should I say, country? Yes. Israel, America's orgy partner, is absolutely at threat from all kinds of suicide bombers, radical Muslim extremists. There is no doubt about it. But AMERICA has absolutely no direct terrorist threat, yet the authorities continually try to sell us this lie.
So you don't even need to read the PNAC: Rebuilding America's Defences document, or the Operation Northwoods plan, or the staged Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or the UN population reduction agenda. It's all there if you just use a bit of critical thinking and common sense. 9/11 was an inside job."
Edit It almost makes you wonder if the US was "reached out and touched" (so to speak) by Israel...."psst...hey...come over and join us....the water is much warmer ($$$) over here!! "
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=drkg9jg_14153xr6fcg2
"If terrorism was really a threat to the US, don't you think we would have had another attack since 9/11? It wouldn't even have to be more airplane attacks. It could be bombs blowing up buses, houses, trains, but no - it hasn't happened. That shows that there is ABSOLUTELY no homegrown terrorist threat to the US. If you have any common knowledge, you know that you can find most of the ingredients to make a bomb in your local Walmart (Fox has even done reports on it). There are NO terrorists in the US (except for the government, of course).
And then also, look at all the legislation that has been justified in the name of this one, lone 9/11 attack: The Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, the FISA warantless wiretapping act, stupid security measures at the airports, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq war, soon to be the Iran and Syria wars. All of this justified in the name of one isolated attack. Just thinking about it in a common sense approach only leaves one conclusion: COMPLETE inside job.
Now, is there a terrorist threat to Middle Eastern countries - or should I say, country? Yes. Israel, America's orgy partner, is absolutely at threat from all kinds of suicide bombers, radical Muslim extremists. There is no doubt about it. But AMERICA has absolutely no direct terrorist threat, yet the authorities continually try to sell us this lie.
So you don't even need to read the PNAC: Rebuilding America's Defences document, or the Operation Northwoods plan, or the staged Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or the UN population reduction agenda. It's all there if you just use a bit of critical thinking and common sense. 9/11 was an inside job."
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USING 2001 as an AVERAGE year for terrorism in the USA, no less! ! !! !! ! !! ! ! ! ! !
Preliminary 2001 data:
Number of Deaths Annually: 2,417,798.
Death Rate (age-adjusted): 849.0 deaths per 100,000 population.
Ten Leading Causes of Death in the U.S.:
Heart Disease: 699,697;
Cancer: 553,251;
Stroke: 163,601;
Respiratory Disease: 123,974;
Accidents: 97,707;
Diabetes: 71,252;
Pneumonia/Influenza: 62,123;
Alzheimer's Disease: 53,679;
Nephritis and Nephrosis: 39,661;
Septicemia: 32,275; and
Assault or Homicide (including terrorism at 14th): At 16,775, including 9-11.
Terrorism alone would come in way down the list at 3,000 people. [and 2001 was hardly an average year- ed. note]
Terrorist attack is 2 or 3 times more likely to take a life than lightning, averaged over the past 10 years. But you are 10 times more likely to be struck by lightning.
The chance of being killed by a firearm is 38 times greater than by a terrorist attack.
Accidental death is 323 times more likely.
Automobile accident alone is 137 times more likely.
Your chance of death by disease is 8,000 times greater.
Your chances of dying in an airplane accident in the USA are one-third the chance of death by terrorist attack.
SOME threat.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.911myths.com/
"Whatever you believe about 9/11, the spreading of false claims helps no-one, and we’d like to play a small part in revealing some of them. We’re not about debunking entire conspiracies, then, but will use this site to zoom in on what we think are the more dubious stories, revealing the misquotes, the distortions, the inaccuracies that are so common online."
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/About
if you have questions: maybe some will be answered there...I'm sure they have been linked many many times...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Have you looked at the credentials of the authors of those web pages?
Acouple of them just look like blogs.
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Just to provide a counterweight to your counterweight (it's gonna get heaqvy around here!) you should really check this book out:
http://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216512510&sr=8-1
This books asks these 4 main questions, and the answer to all them is yes:
Did US Officials have advance information about 9/11?
Did US Officials obstruct investigations prior to 9/11?
Did US Officials have reasons for allowing 9/11?
Did US Officials block captures and investigations after 9/11?
This is his latest book, which I've yet to read:
http://www.amazon.com/11-Contradictions-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216512849&sr=1-1
From a readers review:
'Let us turn to the contradictions. But first, to quote Professor Griffin:
"Within the philosophy of science, there are two basic criteria
for discriminating between good and bad theories. First, a theory
should not be inconsistent with any of the relevant facts....
Second, it must be self-consistent, devoid of any internal contradictions. If a theory contains an internal contradiction, it is an unacceptable theory."
Unacceptable, for example, is the following internal contradiction, quoted verbatim from the chapter summaries that have been helpfully provided at the end of the book for consultation by truth-seeking investigative journalists and members of Congress:
"With regard to the identity of the plane spotted over the
White House around the time of the Pentagon strike: The military's denial that it was a military plane is contradicted by CNN footage of the plane's flight, which showed, as former military officers have agreed, that it was an Air Force E-4B." [Reviewer note: "The E-4B serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the president, secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff or JCS." Cited from a current US Air Force factsheet.]
In an earlier book, "The New Pearl Harbor", Griffin had already noted that with regard to military flight interceptions, Standard Operating Procedures had been inexplicably dropped on September 11th. This reviewer surmises that because a complex mesh of defense systems could not have been fully disabled without coordination from a high military level, it was logical for Dr. Griffin to open the current volume by asking questions that the 9/11 Commission failed to ask: what were President Bush, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and General Richard B. Myers, Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff doing that morning? In each case, inexplicable contradictions emerge in the reports of their whereabouts---and the same applied to Vice President Dick Cheney.
In Part II, Griffin meticulously examines the disparities in the reported times at which the military was notified about the erratic behaviors of Flights 11, 175, 93, and 77. In every case, the striking contradictions he unearths are shown to require full and comprehensive investigation.
In Part III, probing questions regarding the pre-9/11 habits and tastes of the alleged hijackers are closely pursued through early press reports, with the astonishing revelation that they had taken up Western sexual and drinking practices, and could certainly not be characterized as devout Muslims ready to meet their maker. The contradictions revealed in the investigation of cell phone and airphone reports of their actions on the planes is nothing short of brilliant, negating as they do, the entire phenomenon of the aggregate onboard story.
Part IV deals with the strangely incompetent pilot, Hani Hanjour, who flew a giant airliner in an acrobatic dive, like a spiralling paper dart, into the Pentagon at ground level---a feat which a growing number of experienced pilots claim to have been impossible for anyone to do.
Part V deals with the towers themselves, including advance knowledge of their collapses, plus the extraordinary oral testimonies of dozens of firefighters who reported, among other things, massive explosions in the sub-basements of the buildings: a 50-ton hydraulic press reduced to rubble; a 300-lb. steel door wrinkled up like a piece of aluminum foil.
Each one of the 25 carefully researched contradictions represents a crumbling brick in the official facade that has been erected to shield the world from the truth about 9/11.'
blogs that use actual sources and documents to back up their discarding of useless speculation...see how much is left after that other than believe.
instead of saying there was a money transfer, for example, they show the actual transfer confirmation with signatures and stuff...
you know, evidence...
the logic you apply to this(and other subjects) is that of young-earth-creationalists: god put the dinosaur bones (physical evidence) there to mislead us and test our faith(=our willingsness to discard clear facts and stick to believes and 'deep' speculation)
and it's okay, really: you base your opinions on believes and questions, I base mine on facts...but don't pretent that believes are facts, and a motive is all you need. (ever checked India's motives in claiming pakistan was behind it?)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
"I think this reaches the heart of the matter. One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. How do you personally set priorities? That's of course up to you. I've explained my priorities often, in print as well as elsewhere, but we have to make our own judgments."
"...I don't see any reason to accept the presuppositions. As for the consequences, in one of my first interviews after 9/11 I pointed out the obvious: every power system in the world was going to exploit it for its own interests: the Russians in Chechnya, China against the Uighurs, Israel in the occupied territories,... etc., and states would exploit the opportunity to control their own populations more fully through "prevention of terrorism acts" and the like. By the "who gains" argument, every power system in the world could be assigned responsibility for 9/11."
"I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel. The effects, however, are all too clear, namely, what I just mentioned: diverting activism and commitment away from the very serious ongoing crimes of state."
Noam Chomsky
http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I agree with Barrie Zwicker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU&feature=related
I like Chomsky and all but he's a outright shill when it comes to 9/11.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You say 911 was definitely an inside job:
okay: dish out the facts, no questions(="facts" that begin with the word why) and coincidences, but facts and evidence.
then we can have a discussion about whether it was one or not.
until then, you BELIEVE it was one, just like you believed that there is no pentagon footage, like you believe those buildings fell at free fall speed, like others believe the high jackers are still alive, like others believe it's impossible to highjack a plane with box-cutters etc etc etc.
so far the real hard evidence points to 911 not being an inside job...
it also points toward an incompetent administration, a questionable foreign policy, and the assumption of unvulnerability of the USA, and thus a neglect of proper security measures...
reading this statement by OBL in the washington post also gives you a wider perspective: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16990-2004Nov1.html
peace out
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
The laws of physics don't lie. You can't evade them. When the laws of the universe disagree with you...it's time to rethink your understanding.
http://www.marchonottawa2008.com/MOO_2008.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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oh i forgot the obligitory link of undeniable proof: click for valuable information.
http://images.google.com/images?as_q=peaches&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgtype=&imgsz=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_st=y
Oh... I believe you...
no really...
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You seem to like clicking and posting in them enough
Have you applied for a job in censorship?
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funny shit..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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no, i believe free speech exists so that the public can determine logic from bullshit, which they have on the 9/11 issue. Free speech gives people with dumb ideas just enough rope to hang themselves with. thats why i love it. you seem perturbed that i post in 9/11 threads. Don't be. I think they are cute.
now that's some funny shit.
seriously...
think
about
it
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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post all you want ...it's your time...
you can appear to know whatever you want, but on this issue. It the fundamental laws of physics telling you to dig deeper and try again.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yeah you've said it at one point...or made reference to the utter incompetence of the current administration.
Regardless this is the though process of the day for anti-truthers.
caught with their pants down they are.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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you keep forgetting that not only the administration, the FBI, and the CIA is involved, but also foreign intelligence, family members of victims, the overwhelming majority of the NY fire fighters, countless of scholars, domestic and foreign media, eye-witnesses, aquintances of the high-jackers in europe, countless of bureucrats who need to be involved in the planning...
and what is their gain and motive exactly???????????????
oh, and I forgot: of course it is also part of the plan for the heads of the attack to meet on the morning of 911, so they can break out into communal laughter about how they are fooling everyone...and then have a cup-o-tea...
just like in a good austin powers flick...
I thought you guys are vivid Orwell readers...one might expect that you are aware of the fact that not everything that carries the name truth is truth...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
You're kidding me right?
You just asked me all of that?
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all of that?
there was but one question...
and it is your claim: you must have some sort of idea...
before repeating all those deep questions you have for the administration again and again...
start and ask the "truth" some questions...maybe, that also answers some of the questions you have for the government as well...you know, like why do they hide camera footage and the like...
I know I'm not in your league when it comes to looking up stuff on the internets(=research)...sorry for entering your playground...but just as in real life: I just can't let children play with a piece of dogshit in their sand-pit and let them believe it's their favourite toy...
now how's that for a real SHITTY ANALogy!!!
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
How can I put this...
Basically all the questions and angles you;ve presented to me I have already (been asked) and have argued about more times than I can remember on this forum already.
There are too many (literally ridiculous) coincides just before, during, and after 9/11 that it's undeniable that something is up...
Ironically something isn't kosher
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at least we have reached a point now, where you call them coincidences...
now it would be far more than I could expect, but maybe you can check another source than truth websites and see if those coincidences really took place the way they are commonly described...if some of those coincidences are cleared up by now(could have happened two days ago;))...or if they remain ridiculous...
and maybe it turns out that something isn't halal, rather than not kosher;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Re: competence of governments
Have you heard about the ineptitude and total incompetence of the UK government - the US staunchest ally - with data security?
Inland Revenue missing CD fiasco with data relating to every child in the country, laptop of an MI5 or MI6 (forget which branch of the secret service) left in the back of a black cab in London, the Ministry of Defence laptops lost, etc.
EDIT - links to some news stories:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2907495.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7514281.stm
List of missing data cases:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7449927.stm
I should add coincidences that took place undeniably as recorded fact. Sept 10th over 2 trillion goes missing, the mock 9/11 exercises live, and in the air the morning of 9/11... put options... then there's the impossible physics....the forensics of 9/11, melting of the steel, precipitate steel, thermite reside found everywhere, impossible temperatures months afterwards...unburned passports..
the list of coincidences that don't mirror known reality is endless.....
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what? - people in secret services are HUMAN???;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
WTC 7
WHOMP....totally leveled.
levels out and hits the dirt from what the official story says was "primarily fires"
ok.
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it's not only what the government says, but a lot of scholars. And I may point out that those scholars are actually civil engineers and not mathmaticians or physicists...
however, as I said before...I don't see the point to continue this...
as I am not gonna make such an effort anymore like in the pentagon thread...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."