51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks

lucylespian

g under p wrote:

I find it utterly amazing that the US and captured or killed most of the senior Al Queda operatives but Osama seems to always slip away. Do ya think the US still needs him out there around the world to continue to drum up fear syndrome?

Peace

Saddam was the last to be captured as well, I think they would snag him if they could.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

You guys want to know what the dereference is?

play better wasted than your favorite bad plays straight...

then you have it...you have arrived.

I shit you not...

can anyone here reciprocate?

lucylespian

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You guys want to know what the dereference is?

play better wasted than your favorite bad plays straight...

then you have it...you have arrived.

I shit you not...

can anyone here reciprocate?

When you stop hallucinating and say something intelligible I might.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lucylespian wrote:

I really don't believe that the USA or Israel was complicit in any of the attacks.

I'm just going to let that simmer....just as you said it

You can do what you want to understand,....and when you want to understand it...

don't wait forever...

It would be your loss...

It depends what you want... what you appreciate........... from a moral perspective...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lucylespian wrote:

When you stop hallucinating and say something intelligible I might.

opinion..ok...sure... I have it....we all do.

Don't expect it to automatically mirror reality at this point in your understanding. Do you assume ultimate understanding by default?

That would mean you know everything there is to know.

So...do you make that claim??? You know all there is to know from a schooling perspective? From a discriminative level?

I don't... but I can assure you I am well ahead of the status quo. Well ahead.

Are you status quo? Or beyond it? If so tell me how?

Where.... and how often.... and for whom do you seek the truth? At what perspective does your filter engage? That is paramount. If anything tell me that. Where do you place priority, and where do you secure information from that basis?

What perspective....kill terrorists at all costs no matter what...or peace (i.e basic common sense)

On TV? Please don't tell me that. You will not get any respect or recognition from me on that level. The truth is not to be found there...i.e. freely available in mainstream media.

where else do you look?.....and how often do you search?

let me know...

Don't confuse me with average, or sub par... that would be your ultimate lack of understanding.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lucylespian wrote:

I believe that Osama bin LAden read two books by Tom Clancy, Debt of Honour, and Executive Orders, which you may or may not be familiar with.
IN thos e books, a wealthy private citzen in Japan initiates a war against the USA, simultaneously attacking financial institutions and strategic land targets. It culminates with a pilot whose son dies in the conflict flying his airliner into the White House, obliterating the US executive.
The sequel deals with various power factions around the world embarking on further attacks on the USA, including biological warfare etc.

The events since 9/11, including the failed anthrax attacks so closely mimic those books, I really believe Bin LAden read them and thought, holy fuck, I can do that.
I really don't believe that the USA or Israel was complicit in any of the attacks.

Tom Clancy....sounds like you're reading some fiction there and filling in the blanks according to make believe.

There is a difference..

lucylespian

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Tom Clancy....sounds like you're reading some fiction there and filling in the blanks according to make believe.

There is a difference..

Well, the books were written well before the events of 2001, so you work it out for yourself. Maybe you should check them out.

spiral out

lucylespian wrote:

Well, the books were written well before the events of 2001, so you work it out for yourself. Maybe you should check them out.

I am intruged as roland already asked you. What do you base all your knowledge of current world affairs on?

lucylespian

spiral out wrote:

I am intruged as roland already asked you. What do you base all your knowledge of current world affairs on?

I base my knowledge of world affairs on stuff I can access through whatever media is available to me, if and when I am interested. What choice do I have ?? You will no doubt say that all teh news media are biased, and feeding me the info teh govt wants me to have, but I don't have the divine line that roland has, so I have to make do.

What I am suggesting, is that the events of terrorism set in motion by Bin Laden so closely resemble the books by Clancy, that I think that he was inspired and informed by those books. I don't subscribe to the idea that the US govt was complicit in the attacks on the WTC.

I was not aware that any of rolands rmblings contituted a rational question.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lucylespian wrote:

I was not aware that any of rolands rmblings contituted a rational question.

Lemme check with Tom and get back to you

catefrances

lucylespian wrote:

I believe that Osama bin LAden read two books by Tom Clancy, Debt of Honour, and Executive Orders, which you may or may not be familiar with.
IN thos e books, a wealthy private citzen in Japan initiates a war against the USA, simultaneously attacking financial institutions and strategic land targets. It culminates with a pilot whose son dies in the conflict flying his airliner into the White House, obliterating the US executive.
The sequel deals with various power factions around the world embarking on further attacks on the USA, including biological warfare etc.

The events since 9/11, including the failed anthrax attacks so closely mimic those books, I really believe Bin LAden read them and thought, holy fuck, I can do that.
I really don't believe that the USA or Israel was complicit in any of the attacks.

oh oh luce, i read those clancy books. at the time i thought OMG what balls. and then 6 years ago clancy was one of my first thoughts.
and sure the disgruntled japanese kamikaze pilot killed the president, but WOOHOO jack ryan became president. hail to the chief.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member Calls for New Investigation of 9/11:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070905_former_congressional.htm

" Dr. Hirschhorn is a nationally recognized engineer who has testified before Congress more than 50 times on technology, science, and environmental issues. In addition to his work for the OTA, Dr. Hirschhorn also served as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association."

"Prior to his 13 years of service at the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment, Dr. Hirschhorn was Professor of Metallurgical Engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison from 1965 - 1978. He has a Bachelors and Masters degree in Metallurgical Engineering and a PhD in Materials Engineering. He has been a consultant to industrial and chemical companies, DOE laboratories, state governments, and public interest organizations. He currently is a Member of the Board of Directors of the National Foundation for Environmental Education and a Member of the Board of Directors of Sustainability Now! He is the author of more than 150 papers, articles, guest editorials, and book chapters on environmental science and technology.

Dr. Hirschhorn is one of 200 engineers and architects who have publicly criticized the official account of 9/11"

lucylespian

catefrances wrote:

oh oh luce, i read those clancy books. at the time i thought OMG what balls. and then 6 years ago clancy was one of my first thoughts.
and sure the disgruntled japanese kamikaze pilot killed the president, but WOOHOO jack ryan became president. hail to the chief.

Yeah, so it was corny that Jack Ryan became the Prez, but seriously, they really were a template for what Bin Laden was trying to do.
It's just pretty hard to find Ebola virus, let alone weaponize it, but they gave it a go with anthrax.
Clancy worked wiht a bunch of other war games geeks to play out scenarios. Red Storm Rising was the result of war games which revolved around the idea of the Cold War heating up into a European conflict of NATO vs the USSR.
I think BIn LAden did the revers, took a war game and tried to turn it into reality, probably hoping other players would get on baord to join in the fun.

Besides which, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is the most likely one, and a no-brainer that teh somplest explanatio is that a couple guys hijacked the planes and flew em into teh building.
The conspiracy theories require an iunreasonable amount of cmopication, but in motive, planning and and execution.

As for criticism of the public account of how the buildings collapsed, I really think that the engineers don't know precisely, they can't tell from a pile of rubble, there is no precedent here, the event can't be adequately modelled, and it is not realistic to repeat the experiment. So, there will be disagreement and holes in the explanations, but that is not the same as evidence the government did it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

catefrances

lucylespian wrote:

Yeah, so it was corny that Jack Ryan became the Prez, but seriously, they really were a template for what Bin Laden was trying to do.
It's just pretty hard to find Ebola virus, let alone weaponize it, but they gave it a go with anthrax.
Clancy worked wiht a bunch of other war games geeks to play out scenarios. Red Storm Rising was the result of war games which revolved around the idea of the Cold War heating up into a European conflict of NATO vs the USSR.
I think BIn LAden did the revers, took a war game and tried to turn it into reality, probably hoping other players would get on baord to join in the fun.

Besides which, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is the most likely one, and a no-brainer that teh somplest explanatio is that a couple guys hijacked the planes and flew em into teh building.
The conspiracy theories require an iunreasonable amount of cmopication, but in motive, planning and and execution.

As for criticism of the public account of how the buildings collapsed, I really think that the engineers don't know precisely, they can't tell from a pile of rubble, there is no precedent here, the event can't be adequately modelled, and it is not realistic to repeat the experiment. So, there will be disagreement and holes in the explanations, but that is not the same as evidence the government did it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this attack was unprecedented so how in the hell are they suppose to know HOW the buildings were MEANT to fall in any event. theory is great until actuality takes over.

and about occam. was he able to carry that razor onto a plane i wonder?