Are We Witnessing the Fall of America?

MasterFramer

fanch75 wrote:

If there was suddenly a "revolution," I wonder if you'd suddenly see leftwing folks becoming pro-gun?

What is "pro-gun"? Isnt it pro or anti gun CONTROL?

Like like saying people that are pro-choice are pro-abortion...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

One thing that is surviving the term elected presidents, is the foreign policy...some could say, the MIC perhaps.

So in that sense it can be seen as an empire.

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

You do realize that other countries might catch up, and pass the US. That is a very likely scenario. And by definition that means you 'fall'.

a single country? doubtful. the EU has already passed us in terms of GDP. has the US fallen? no. we are still a superpower and will continue to be one.

cornnifer

i'm getting into this a little late and have only skimmed the responses in this thread. i'll put this in. i've already predicted that we are potentially headed for some serious shit that i believe will come from within. People are fed up. i know some will disagree and call me crazy but i believe there is a revolutionary element bubbling just under the surface that threatens to erupt if we aren't ble to unite the collective citizenry and get some changes made soon. i predict if Hillary Clinton is nominated, she loses big to whichever republican candidate she is up against. This means a continuation of our current administration. The people will not stand for it. Even if pigs start to fly and Hillary was elected (won't happen. trust me). Nothing will change. She will beexposed for the phony she is and there will be political gridlock. There will be scandal after scandal. Again, the people won't stand for it. i fear violent revolution will be inevitable. Our country will explode from within. After the dust settles... who knows.

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

this could be the most idiotic tinned hat response I have ever read.

someone already used that line chief.

Abuskedti wrote:

and one of the reasons this, as with all the previous, will fall fast and hard

the US will not fall fast and hard. sorry to bust your bubble. like I said, countries and unions will catch up.

jlew24asu

yellowsnowbetter wrote:

this is a reasonable statement....and i am not on a doomsday train. many empires have come to pass, and yet their way of life is still intact.

first post was to agree with me? awesome. welcome to the train

LikeAnOcean

jlew24asu wrote:

yes america will be a super power forever. the only difference is that other countries (or group of countries EU) will catch up, giving you the illusion the america is going down.

We won't be here forever. Maybe things won't change in our lifetime, but all nations rise and fall. Whether it be a major attack from a foriegn invader, disease, natural disaster, asteroid, whatever, things will change. The U.S. is only a little over 200 years old, so in the big picture, we are still just an experiment..

RolandTD20Kdrummer

All I can say is, if the next US president is at any point interpreted by the global community to be another Bush clone, all hell is going to break loose so to speak.

At that point people around the world are going to start thinking it's not the institution, but perhaps the people themselves.

macgyver06

how come you guys cant explain what is going fall???



hmmm...


this thread is laughable...what are you all afraid of.... you think you are going be liquidized?

LikeAnOcean

macgyver06 wrote:

how come you guys cant explain what is going fall???



hmmm...


this thread is laughable...what are you all afraid of.... you think you are going be liquidized?

Take England for example.. Once THE superpower of the world.

All this super power mumbo jumbo is pretty lame anyways. Everything always has to be about control and power. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

jlew24asu

LikeAnOcean wrote:

We won't be here forever. Maybe things won't change in our lifetime, but all nations rise and fall. Whether it be a major attack from a foriegn invader, disease, natural disaster, asteroid, whatever, things will change. The U.S. is only a little over 200 years old, so in the big picture, we are still just an experiment..

fair enough. these are certainly possible.....disease, natural disaster, asteroid.......foreign invader though? that is not possible. we can mostly thank our oceans for that.

jlew24asu

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Take England for example.. Once THE superpower of the world.

and they are still a super power today.

they were a super power mostly when the world didnt even know america (the physical land) even existed.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

macgyver06 wrote:

how come you guys cant explain what is going fall???



hmmm...

Take a look around, it's falling right now. It's a little piece of paper in your pocket.

People don't need to sell goods to the US. Populations around the world are booming, they will gladly pick up the slack on mother earths resources, and probably not worry too much about it, quite the opposite in fact.

Commy

jlew24asu wrote:

the US isnt an empire. empires are ruled by emperors. every 4 (or recently 8) years we elect new leaders, have new polices. the US is a large industrial nation that will continue to prosper. it will also face tough times like it always has and recover from them. like I said, look at the numbers

You should mention that to all the countries the US controls, either directlm, economically, or through outright military occupation. And the WTO and IMF are controlling over 160 countries worldwide-those are not democratic institutions by any stretch.

And with all of the election sgoing on in the US, can you explain why foreign policy hasnt' changed in over 65 years? Why every presidency has a war?

jlew24asu

Commy wrote:

You should mention that to all the countries the US controls, either directlm, economically, or through outright military occupation. And the WTO and IMF are controlling over 160 countries worldwide-those are not democratic institutions by any stretch.

And with all of the election sgoing on in the US, can you explain why foreign policy hasnt' changed in over 65 years? Why every presidency has a war?

the only suggestion I have is that you take up arms against this problem country, if you havent made plans to already. fight the real enemy!

Commy

jlew24asu wrote:

the only suggestion I have is that you take up arms against this problem country, if you havent made plans to already. fight the real enemy!

Violence solves nothing in this struggle.

The only way for social progress to occur is through non-violent mass protests.

Martin Luthar King taught us that. Ghandi.

jlew24asu

Commy wrote:

Violence solves nothing in this struggle.

The only way for social progress to occur is through non-violent mass protests.

Martin Luthar King taught us that. Ghandi.

cool glad to hear that. good luck

fanch75

MasterFramer wrote:

What is "pro-gun"? Isnt it pro or anti gun CONTROL?

Like like saying people that are pro-choice are pro-abortion...

Okay, pro-gun rights.

cornnifer

Commy wrote:

Violence solves nothing in this struggle.

The only way for social progress to occur is through non-violent mass protests.

Martin Luthar King taught us that. Ghandi.

i agree. i in no way endorse violence, yet i fear domestic violence is headed our way. You can almost smell it in the air. There is a growing sentiment that our voices are completely unheard. Our government, currently is so out of touch with whats going on in American cities its not even funny. The status quo must be broken. If the people come to the final conclusion that they cannot do it at the ballot box, they WILL resort to other means. Look around the globe. Violence and civil war is everywhere. What makes think were immune to it here. It was violent revolution afterall that saw these United states established. Will it solve anything? Doubtful. Yet people, i believe, will see it as a last resort.

Commy

cornnifer wrote:

i agree. i in no way endorse violence, yet i fear domestic violence is headed our way. You can almost smell it in the air. There is a growing sentiment that our voices are completely unheard. Our government, currently is so out of touch with whats going on in American cities its not even funny. The status quo must be broken. If the people come to the final conclusion that they cannot do it at the ballot box, they WILL resort to other means. Look around the globe. Violence and civil war is everywhere. What makes think were immune to it here. It was violent revolution afterall that saw these United states established. Will it solve anything? Doubtful. Yet people, i believe, will see it as a last resort.

And they do invariably turn to violence. But during the 60's, Martin Luthar King was really amazing. Anytime the black minority would respond with violence they were often killed, and attacks againt them were stepped up, and people saw that on TV. His message of nonviolence, did 2 things-showed the rest of the country a group of citizens sitting peacefully and getting beaten by the authoritties-the public immediately sided with the oppressed. Also, the peaceful protesters were not breaking any laws, they were using a constitutional right to peaceably assemble.

So violence will give the authorities a right to use force, where they tend to have the uppper hand. Peaceful protesting, its all we got-but, its stronger than any army, really. If we don't work they don't have a country. That's the bottom line.