the US isnt an empire. empires are ruled by emperors. every 4 (or recently 8) years we elect new leaders, have new polices. the US is a large industrial nation that will continue to prosper. it will also face tough times like it always has and recover from them. like I said, look at the numbers
the US isnt an empire. empires are ruled by emperors. every 4 (or recently 8) years we elect new leaders, have new polices. the US is a large industrial nation that will continue to prosper. it will also face tough times like it always has and recover from them. like I said, look at the numbers
You know what you take life way to seriously sometimes.
Why does it offend you so much that we talk about america taking a little step back from being the world super power? No matter how much you cry about it, it will happen eventually it's just the way the world works, just like the market changes from bull to bear every few years.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You know what you take life way to seriously sometimes.
Why does it offend you so much that we talk about america taking a little step back from being the world super power? No matter how much you cry about it, it will happen eventually it's just the way the world works, just like the market changes from bull to bear every few years.
beacause its simply not true. people from around the world will continue to flock to america like that have for hundreds of years to live out their hopes and dreams. our population and productivity growth isnt going anywhere. bush has done alot to hurt our imagine in recent years, but guess what, in less then a year he will be gone.
countries will catch up to us but we will not "fall" from being a super power.
fall to what...from what..and where is this empire youre talking about?
when you read history books they are that....history...we live on present times...not in a history book... come to the present...what is falling?
Ok ok chill i was just using a line i like, as i explained to jlew i meant superpower.
Fall to what i'm to going to predict the out come who knows but every dog has his day, and if we look at history we can clearly see that.
America is not the first and it won't be the last.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
yes america will be a super power forever. the only difference is that other countries (or group of countries EU) will catch up, giving you the illusion the america is going down.
this is a reasonable statement....and i am not on a doomsday train. many empires have come to pass, and yet their way of life is still intact.
yes america will be a super power forever. the only difference is that other countries (or group of countries EU) will catch up, giving you the illusion the america is going down.
this could be the most idiotic tinned hat response I have ever read.
and one of the reasons this, as with all the previous, will fall fast and hard
...dude, I bet you could pick almost any state, and the citizens of that state would own more guns than our army. I think if you guys fall apart, we're right there for the ride...unless it's the other way around, and you guys come here for our resources as you get desperate.
If there was suddenly a "revolution," I wonder if you'd suddenly see leftwing folks becoming pro-gun?
hey, I don’t disagree with you. I think the US has the potential to stay involved as a major player on the world stage for as long as there is a stage…however I’m sure there were a lot of Soviets in the 70s/80s that didn’t think their country could go from a long, steady decline to complete collapse overnight.
I guess we’re talking about two different things – the demise of America as a superpower, and the collapse of civilization as we know it. I think it’s inevitable for other countries to catch up to the US, which will significantly reduce it’s role in geopolitics….but unless there is a complete societal collapse, I don’t see the US being relegated to also-ran status.
But I don’t see that societal collapse as all that far fetched either…it’s nature in it’s most basic form for an overpopulated species to experience a ‘thinning of the heard’ – usually by fucking up their own food/water supply, or disease caused by conditions associated with that overpopulation…
So…I don’t really see someone taking over as world superpower while the US is reduced to third world status….I think it’s more likely that we’ll ALL be reduced to third world status at some point….
If there was suddenly a "revolution," I wonder if you'd suddenly see leftwing folks becoming pro-gun?
I don’t consider myself defined under any ‘wing’, but I do have a lot of leftist beliefs….and thru the combination of the loss of libery, and bureaucratic mess that is Canada’s gun registry, and my realization of the reasons behind the right to bear arms (which ties into this discussion), I decided a while back that I’m anti-gun control…..I will never call myself pro-gun tho
One thing that is surviving the term elected presidents, is the foreign policy...some could say, the MIC perhaps.
So in that sense it can be seen as an empire.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You do realize that other countries might catch up, and pass the US. That is a very likely scenario. And by definition that means you 'fall'.
a single country? doubtful. the EU has already passed us in terms of GDP. has the US fallen? no. we are still a superpower and will continue to be one.
i'm getting into this a little late and have only skimmed the responses in this thread. i'll put this in. i've already predicted that we are potentially headed for some serious shit that i believe will come from within. People are fed up. i know some will disagree and call me crazy but i believe there is a revolutionary element bubbling just under the surface that threatens to erupt if we aren't ble to unite the collective citizenry and get some changes made soon. i predict if Hillary Clinton is nominated, she loses big to whichever republican candidate she is up against. This means a continuation of our current administration. The people will not stand for it. Even if pigs start to fly and Hillary was elected (won't happen. trust me). Nothing will change. She will beexposed for the phony she is and there will be political gridlock. There will be scandal after scandal. Again, the people won't stand for it. i fear violent revolution will be inevitable. Our country will explode from within. After the dust settles... who knows.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
yes america will be a super power forever. the only difference is that other countries (or group of countries EU) will catch up, giving you the illusion the america is going down.
We won't be here forever. Maybe things won't change in our lifetime, but all nations rise and fall. Whether it be a major attack from a foriegn invader, disease, natural disaster, asteroid, whatever, things will change. The U.S. is only a little over 200 years old, so in the big picture, we are still just an experiment..
All I can say is, if the next US president is at any point interpreted by the global community to be another Bush clone, all hell is going to break loose so to speak.
At that point people around the world are going to start thinking it's not the institution, but perhaps the people themselves.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
We won't be here forever. Maybe things won't change in our lifetime, but all nations rise and fall. Whether it be a major attack from a foriegn invader, disease, natural disaster, asteroid, whatever, things will change. The U.S. is only a little over 200 years old, so in the big picture, we are still just an experiment..
fair enough. these are certainly possible.....disease, natural disaster, asteroid.......foreign invader though? that is not possible. we can mostly thank our oceans for that.
how come you guys cant explain what is going fall???
hmmm...
Take a look around, it's falling right now. It's a little piece of paper in your pocket.
People don't need to sell goods to the US. Populations around the world are booming, they will gladly pick up the slack on mother earths resources, and probably not worry too much about it, quite the opposite in fact.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the US isnt an empire. empires are ruled by emperors. every 4 (or recently 8) years we elect new leaders, have new polices. the US is a large industrial nation that will continue to prosper. it will also face tough times like it always has and recover from them. like I said, look at the numbers
You should mention that to all the countries the US controls, either directlm, economically, or through outright military occupation. And the WTO and IMF are controlling over 160 countries worldwide-those are not democratic institutions by any stretch.
And with all of the election sgoing on in the US, can you explain why foreign policy hasnt' changed in over 65 years? Why every presidency has a war?
You should mention that to all the countries the US controls, either directlm, economically, or through outright military occupation. And the WTO and IMF are controlling over 160 countries worldwide-those are not democratic institutions by any stretch.
And with all of the election sgoing on in the US, can you explain why foreign policy hasnt' changed in over 65 years? Why every presidency has a war?
the only suggestion I have is that you take up arms against this problem country, if you havent made plans to already. fight the real enemy!
The only way for social progress to occur is through non-violent mass protests.
Martin Luthar King taught us that. Ghandi.
i agree. i in no way endorse violence, yet i fear domestic violence is headed our way. You can almost smell it in the air. There is a growing sentiment that our voices are completely unheard. Our government, currently is so out of touch with whats going on in American cities its not even funny. The status quo must be broken. If the people come to the final conclusion that they cannot do it at the ballot box, they WILL resort to other means. Look around the globe. Violence and civil war is everywhere. What makes think were immune to it here. It was violent revolution afterall that saw these United states established. Will it solve anything? Doubtful. Yet people, i believe, will see it as a last resort.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
i agree. i in no way endorse violence, yet i fear domestic violence is headed our way. You can almost smell it in the air. There is a growing sentiment that our voices are completely unheard. Our government, currently is so out of touch with whats going on in American cities its not even funny. The status quo must be broken. If the people come to the final conclusion that they cannot do it at the ballot box, they WILL resort to other means. Look around the globe. Violence and civil war is everywhere. What makes think were immune to it here. It was violent revolution afterall that saw these United states established. Will it solve anything? Doubtful. Yet people, i believe, will see it as a last resort.
And they do invariably turn to violence. But during the 60's, Martin Luthar King was really amazing. Anytime the black minority would respond with violence they were often killed, and attacks againt them were stepped up, and people saw that on TV. His message of nonviolence, did 2 things-showed the rest of the country a group of citizens sitting peacefully and getting beaten by the authoritties-the public immediately sided with the oppressed. Also, the peaceful protesters were not breaking any laws, they were using a constitutional right to peaceably assemble.
So violence will give the authorities a right to use force, where they tend to have the uppper hand. Peaceful protesting, its all we got-but, its stronger than any army, really. If we don't work they don't have a country. That's the bottom line.
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the US isnt an empire. empires are ruled by emperors. every 4 (or recently 8) years we elect new leaders, have new polices. the US is a large industrial nation that will continue to prosper. it will also face tough times like it always has and recover from them. like I said, look at the numbers
You know what you take life way to seriously sometimes.
Why does it offend you so much that we talk about america taking a little step back from being the world super power? No matter how much you cry about it, it will happen eventually it's just the way the world works, just like the market changes from bull to bear every few years.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
beacause its simply not true. people from around the world will continue to flock to america like that have for hundreds of years to live out their hopes and dreams. our population and productivity growth isnt going anywhere. bush has done alot to hurt our imagine in recent years, but guess what, in less then a year he will be gone.
countries will catch up to us but we will not "fall" from being a super power.
fall to what...from what..and where is this empire youre talking about?
when you read history books they are that....history...we live on present times...not in a history book... come to the present...what is falling?
Ok ok chill i was just using a line i like, as i explained to jlew i meant superpower.
Fall to what i'm to going to predict the out come who knows but every dog has his day, and if we look at history we can clearly see that.
America is not the first and it won't be the last.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You do realize that other countries might catch up, and pass the US. That is a very likely scenario. And by definition that means you 'fall'.
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this could be the most idiotic tinned hat response I have ever read.
and one of the reasons this, as with all the previous, will fall fast and hard
If there was suddenly a "revolution," I wonder if you'd suddenly see leftwing folks becoming pro-gun?
I guess we’re talking about two different things – the demise of America as a superpower, and the collapse of civilization as we know it. I think it’s inevitable for other countries to catch up to the US, which will significantly reduce it’s role in geopolitics….but unless there is a complete societal collapse, I don’t see the US being relegated to also-ran status.
But I don’t see that societal collapse as all that far fetched either…it’s nature in it’s most basic form for an overpopulated species to experience a ‘thinning of the heard’ – usually by fucking up their own food/water supply, or disease caused by conditions associated with that overpopulation…
So…I don’t really see someone taking over as world superpower while the US is reduced to third world status….I think it’s more likely that we’ll ALL be reduced to third world status at some point….
I don’t consider myself defined under any ‘wing’, but I do have a lot of leftist beliefs….and thru the combination of the loss of libery, and bureaucratic mess that is Canada’s gun registry, and my realization of the reasons behind the right to bear arms (which ties into this discussion), I decided a while back that I’m anti-gun control…..I will never call myself pro-gun tho
What is "pro-gun"? Isnt it pro or anti gun CONTROL?
Like like saying people that are pro-choice are pro-abortion...
So in that sense it can be seen as an empire.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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a single country? doubtful. the EU has already passed us in terms of GDP. has the US fallen? no. we are still a superpower and will continue to be one.
the US will not fall fast and hard. sorry to bust your bubble. like I said, countries and unions will catch up.
first post was to agree with me? awesome. welcome to the train
At that point people around the world are going to start thinking it's not the institution, but perhaps the people themselves.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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hmmm...
this thread is laughable...what are you all afraid of.... you think you are going be liquidized?
All this super power mumbo jumbo is pretty lame anyways. Everything always has to be about control and power. Pretty selfish if you ask me.
fair enough. these are certainly possible.....disease, natural disaster, asteroid.......foreign invader though? that is not possible. we can mostly thank our oceans for that.
and they are still a super power today.
they were a super power mostly when the world didnt even know america (the physical land) even existed.
Take a look around, it's falling right now. It's a little piece of paper in your pocket.
People don't need to sell goods to the US. Populations around the world are booming, they will gladly pick up the slack on mother earths resources, and probably not worry too much about it, quite the opposite in fact.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You should mention that to all the countries the US controls, either directlm, economically, or through outright military occupation. And the WTO and IMF are controlling over 160 countries worldwide-those are not democratic institutions by any stretch.
And with all of the election sgoing on in the US, can you explain why foreign policy hasnt' changed in over 65 years? Why every presidency has a war?
the only suggestion I have is that you take up arms against this problem country, if you havent made plans to already. fight the real enemy!
The only way for social progress to occur is through non-violent mass protests.
Martin Luthar King taught us that. Ghandi.
cool glad to hear that. good luck
Okay, pro-gun rights.
i agree. i in no way endorse violence, yet i fear domestic violence is headed our way. You can almost smell it in the air. There is a growing sentiment that our voices are completely unheard. Our government, currently is so out of touch with whats going on in American cities its not even funny. The status quo must be broken. If the people come to the final conclusion that they cannot do it at the ballot box, they WILL resort to other means. Look around the globe. Violence and civil war is everywhere. What makes think were immune to it here. It was violent revolution afterall that saw these United states established. Will it solve anything? Doubtful. Yet people, i believe, will see it as a last resort.
And they do invariably turn to violence. But during the 60's, Martin Luthar King was really amazing. Anytime the black minority would respond with violence they were often killed, and attacks againt them were stepped up, and people saw that on TV. His message of nonviolence, did 2 things-showed the rest of the country a group of citizens sitting peacefully and getting beaten by the authoritties-the public immediately sided with the oppressed. Also, the peaceful protesters were not breaking any laws, they were using a constitutional right to peaceably assemble.
So violence will give the authorities a right to use force, where they tend to have the uppper hand. Peaceful protesting, its all we got-but, its stronger than any army, really. If we don't work they don't have a country. That's the bottom line.