Obama determined to pursue an 'aggressive diplomacy' with the Islamic Republic
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In a nutshell....let's get the troops out of Iraq so we can deal with (and threaten to use them) in Iran...
"In an exclusive interview with Israel's Ynet news, Obama described Iran as 'the gravest threat to Israel' and warned that diplomacy is not enough to keep Iran from pursuing nuclear weaponry.
"The threat from Iran is real, and my goal as President will be to eliminate it. Ending the war in Iraq will be an important step toward achieving this goal, because it will increase our flexibility and our credibility when we deal with Iran. Make no mistake; Iran has been the biggest strategic beneficiary of the war in Iraq, and I intend to change that," Obama said. "
hmm...
In a nutshell....let's get the troops out of Iraq so we can deal with (and threaten to use them) in Iran...
"In an exclusive interview with Israel's Ynet news, Obama described Iran as 'the gravest threat to Israel' and warned that diplomacy is not enough to keep Iran from pursuing nuclear weaponry.
"The threat from Iran is real, and my goal as President will be to eliminate it. Ending the war in Iraq will be an important step toward achieving this goal, because it will increase our flexibility and our credibility when we deal with Iran. Make no mistake; Iran has been the biggest strategic beneficiary of the war in Iraq, and I intend to change that," Obama said. "
hmm...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Period.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Just BRILLIANT!
Peace is what we need
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If history is any indication at all, when resources are desired you can bet your ass this will definitely happen. Especially if there's a "cause(s)" behind it all as well. The money will be there regardless of who is standing at the podium.
Again history tells the tale of what is to come. Left..Right...doesn't matter one bit.
I've been saying it for a long time now. Iran is in the cross hairs, and it is the prize.
It's coming.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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nut jobs....
nice
...learn much after school got out did you?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Bush wanted to attack Iran and now the Next President will also want to continue our aggresive attack on this country.
It is coming whether it's Obama or MaCain or Hillary.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And you say this why exactly?
Ever play with fire and burn something you didn't intend to? Ever follow the seemingly endless US conflicts and see what has transpired there again and agiain, and again and why?
Ever figure out that politicians are more or less puppets to serve as distraction?
Ever look into how various secret service organizations operate?
I'm thinking probably not.
You should. There are many viable reasons Iran should be worked over under new ownership according to some. Many indeed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Where does it say he's going to attack Iran? I must have missed it.
What exactly do you think he meant by, "Ending the war in Iraq will be an important step toward achieving this goal, because it will increase our flexibility and our credibility when we deal with Iran." ?
What flexibility do we gain by getting our troops out of Iraq with respect to Iran?
Are our troops going to join in the "dealing" with Iran?
:rolleyes:
The thing that bothers me most is that there IS NO CASE FOR A WAR WITH IRAN.
It is 100% trumped up.
It makes even less sense than war with Iraq did.
On what fucking grounds do we plan to get agressive with them?
Because they've said "not so nice" things about Israel?
Please.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"Ending the war in Iraq will be an important step toward achieving this goal, because it will increase our flexibility and our credibility when we deal with Iran" is a ridiculously vague statement. He probably meant that we would have more credibility because Iran would know we have troops available if things go horribly wrong. He's not saying we're going to attack them. He's saying we'll have the means to defend ourselves if necessary. He's said nothing, that I've heard at least, about attacking Iran without something drastic happening first.
You're just trying to make something out of nothing here, as usual. You're assuming things and believing what you want to believe.
Do you even know what "diplomacy" is?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diplomacy
History shows us PROVEN examples over and over (and over and over) again...
what do some people learn after all this? ...absolutely nothing..
but they are defiant somehow....which is indeed puzzling...astonishing really.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Who is the one "believing what you want to believe" here, exactly?
What on Gods fucking green earth do you think we wil need our troops to DEFEND ourselves from !?!?
WHAT exactly?
The United States has been the aggressor in this region for the last HOW MANY years?
Who is the one selling arms by the billions to every fucking side over there right now?
Who is the one literally forcing the region in to conflict?
And you think the guy wants our troops to DEFEND if needed?
WHAT IS IRAN GOING TO DO?
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON HERE?
America is the one bullying every fucking country (uh, except Israel of course) in the region in to submission ... or dropping bombs if that fails.
What the fuck do you want Iran to do?
Bend over and take Obamas Alabama Black Snake suprise?
They have been trying to acquire nuclear POWER for the past decade PLUS ... and America was once supportive and AIDING Iran in this quest, and then turned its back and tried to embargo the country in to submission.
I don't know what exactly you want to accuse Iran of other than having extremist views -- which granted are troublesome from a US perspective -- but that is no right for us to get all bully bully with them.
The attitude in this country is ridiculous.
There is no fucking reason for "diplomacy" which is just a polite term for "stern talking to, with possible consequences for failure to comply" with a country that is only trying to deal with its own domestic policies without US interference.
If America was not so fucking agressive and was not constantly bringing in the CIA and killing elected leaders, and manipulating an entire region, and generaly pissing a whole culture off, we wouldn't need any fucking "diplomacy" because we are basicaly fighitng our way out of a whole we dug ourself in to.
Just because Obama is bringing a "kinder, gentler police man's hand" to the region don't make it honorable or more tolerable.
They are just dressing up the same game with a new suit and a different name ... its pure imperialist bullshit.
This Unchecked Aggression Will Not Stand!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Can't you hear yourself?
Troops would send a message that we're serious. It's playing hardball, meant to make Iran nervous. Leverage. It's miles away from a full scale invasion like you suggest. Having troops ready and using them are two completely different tactics.
Fact of the matter is, you can't conclude from one vague line that he's going to invade Iran when it's clear that it wasn't his meaning. It's ridiculous.
Also, use more words in all caps, it makes you look smart.
I wish people on here could get the fuck over my use of capital letters. Give me a fucking break.
Anyhow.
You should hear YOUR self.
Like I said, what the fuck do you THINK the man is talking about?
What exactly is it that Iran is doing that warrants ANY kind of aggressive talk?
Its fucking BULLSHIT.
The fact that Obama is even going on about Iran in the first place is enough reason for me to believe he is full of shit about the whole thing.
There is NO REASON for us to even be bothering with Iran at this moment in history.
It is pure unchecked agression on OUR part. Not on THEIR part.
What exactly is Obama "playing hardball" about? What is this "make them nervous" bullshit?
IT MAKES ME NERVOUS!
???
We have ZERO business even stirring the pot with that region. Iran has done NOTHING to us. NOTHING.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Nukes. Or so the story goes.
Have you even been reading my posts? Or did you just read one line, roll your eyes, and type a long-winded response?
No wonder people hate debating with you. You ignore reasonable arguments so you can continue thinking that you're being screwed in every way imaginable by the government. Ron Paul 2008! :rolleyes:
Now please, tell me how I'm a simple-minded sheep who believes everything I hear because I don't make a giant assumption based on trying to read between the lines of a completely vague statement.
Nukes huh?
:rolleyes:
[how is that for not "long-winded"?]
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yeah, but the snap, crackle, popping in your Rice Krispies makes YOU nervous.
Actually,
there is some pretty convincing evidence that Crackle is a hardline communist. His grandfather has some pretty damning Marxist connections, and his stepfather was actualy a speechwriter for Lenin.
I've actualy even heard some rumors about Pop having a bit of a checkered history with Eugenics himself, though i tend to discount those theories based on some of his comments in recent years. He seems like a really nice guy.
Now that Snap guy. He is an enimga. A mystery wrapped in an enigma tucked in a riddle.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm sorry, but I just have to say something. what the fuck are you talking about? You are the one who has been completely ignoring everything the posts have been saying. In fact, this post here has nothing to do with the discussion at all. All your posts have had nothing to do with what Drifting is even saying.
Allow me to simplify it for you, since you don't seem to be understanding, though I'm sure you'll just ignore this post like you do all the others:
You keep arguing that having troops doesn't necessarily mean we will go to war, and that's fine and all, but we all understand that. No one here is a fucking moron. We know that. The point is however that:
WHY IS THAT EVEN NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why are we even thinking about having aggressive talks in the first place?
What's there to talk about? The fact of the matter is, that we shouldn't even be talking about Iran like it's a threat right now. There are many more important issues Obama should be focusing on, NOT IRAN. You keep saying people are jumping to conclusions, when it's you who is jumping in the first place. You're jumping over to "we have to do something about Iran" before stopping and thinking "What the fuck are we worried about anyway?"
Iran has not violated anything yet, so we should just leave them alone.
Do you understand now? Or are you just going to type another post saying absolutely nothing useful?
i knew there was something about that Crackle that i really liked.
and you can arrange them however you want
one is WAR
the other is NUCLEAR
you win cockroaches!
Nothing useful, right. Excuse me for trying to defend myself against the glaring condescension of Mr. Drifting. The point originally was what Obama meant by his statement about Iran. So I responded to it.
I responded to why we're concerned about Iran as well. But that was brief, so I'll elaborate. The powers that be here in America are concerned about Iran's nuclear program. We don't want them to gain nuclear power because we're worried what Mahmoud and co. will do with them. We believe him to be helping insurgents in Iraq, which he denies.
That's the story anyway. But oil is probably a major part of it as well, I don't doubt that. It could all be a ruse to secure oil, much like how it was probably the reason we went into Iraq. We'll never know.
But Drifting's point was that Obama was going to take us to war with Iran. Which I had a major problem with. It was only after that that he started asking about the reason we're focusing on Iran.
Drifting doesn't, apparently.
No.
Again what you are failing to recognize, even after 5v1 has stepped up and clarified is that even talking about getting tough with Iran is indication of intention to "get nasty" with them.
I can't clarify this any more than what i already have.
Talking about tough diplomacy with Iran is indication of Imperialist Intentions, plain and simple.
America has NO business bullying that country around.
Our concerns with their intent to go nuclear has never been justified by the International Atomic Energy Agency ... which has made is repeatedly clear that the levels of enrichment being attained by Iran are like 5% ... which is a full NINETY percent away from what one would need to make weapons.
I can pull the documents up on this thread if i have too. I've done it in others.
There is nothing in this nuclear bomb talk except just that ... TALK ... taking it one step further, we can call it FEARMONGERING ...
and why would one do that?
TO MANIPULATE THE PUBLIC.
And why?
TO HAVE GROUNDS FOR INTERVENTION.
And why?
Restructuring the power balance in the middle east in favor of western culture.
What are we afraid of REALLY?
Iran is going off the dollar for oil.
They are attacking our Achiles heel.
They also control alot of oil we would like more secure access to, which i think you are well aware.
BTW, Iran was authorized under international law to proceed with nuclear POWER development.
So we have the authority as a country to violate their soverign right to peaceful acquisition of fuel, huh?
Based on what again?
FEARMONGERING?
Again,
i don't care wether Obama is starting war with Iran tomorrow or not ... the point is EVEN HIS TALK about any sort of political discussions with Iran are indicative of an imperialist intent which is not consistent with his constitutional mandate as president.
I'm not really sure what you fail to grasp.
If it doesn't come down to war, it is only because Obama may achieve (if elected, duh) his aim of twisting Iran's arm through coercive contractual force ... and most likely very oblique threats of physical force if compliance is not achieved.
So what is the difference?
Either we are imposing our will on another country through implied force, or we are actualy using applied force.
And if we get our way through tough talk, chances our we actualy provoke and aggravate Iran so seriously that they actualy DO attack us.
And then what.
Then Obama is justified in going to war, right?
Its fucking no win for Iran.
I guess thats the way it goes when the big bully on the playground comes over and grabs your toy and says its his. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?