Why spitzer was politically assassinated

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    tybird wrote:
    I believe that it did include wiretapping after certain irregular movements of money were noted in his bank accounts. So, yes, I guess that would probably classify as domestic spying. This type of operation was his baby in regards to its use against the big call girl rings and their big $$ johns.


    I know it included wiretapping and domestic spying.

    I'm saying that I'm pretty sure Spitzer didn't use those 'traps' to bust prostitution rings. This is America...are we ready to sit back allow this kind of crap?? Why was he being monitored in the first place? Is it okay to allow the gov't to go after other gov't officials in order to bring down the ones that are in their way? We all would come up hypocrites or unfit under that kind of magnifying glass. I'm not saying that it is okay for him to be a hypocrite but I'm saying that most politicians are...this isn't news and we're not looking at the big picture here but are instead being dazzled by the sensational headlines.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm saying that I'm pretty sure Spitzer didn't use those 'traps' to bust prostitution rings. This is America...are we ready to sit back allow this kind of crap?? Why was he being monitored in the first place? Is it okay to allow the gov't to go after other gov't officials in order to bring down the ones that are in their way? We all would come up hypocrites or unfit under that kind of magnifying glass. I'm not saying that it is okay for him to be a hypocrite but I'm saying that most politicians are...this isn't news and we're not looking at the big picture here but are instead being dazzled by the sensational headlines.
    Yeah, he did. Using this method was his brainchild. He made his name going after the prostitution rings thorough these pioneering methods. He was monitored based apparently on a computer program tagging his bank account (s) based on certain movements and amounts of money. The program apparently scans all bank transactions for for certain types of movements, transfers and such in certain amounts. He was only targeted after his account (s) were tagged is the only version of the story that I have read.

    "Who watches the Watchmen"???
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    tybird wrote:
    He was only targeted after his account (s) were tagged is the only version of the story that I have read.

    Correct. He wasn't targetted, and the prostitution ring wasn't targetted. The bank transactions triggered flags which required the banks to report those transactions. Those reports were forwarded to investigators who saw enough to follow up. The follow-up led to Spitzer on one end the the Emporer's Club on the other end of the path.

    The LA Times wrote a pretty good piece explaining it:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spitzer12mar12,1,7297829.story

    Big Brother is definitely watching. The banks were required by the government to report those sorts of transactions. But there is no evidence that there was a grand conspiracy against Spitzer that caused the government to wiretap and spy on him. Spitzer used the same investigative techniques himself to bust others. So while I'm not happy that big brother is watching, I'm glad one of it's own was caught in the trap.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jeffbr wrote:
    Correct. He wasn't targetted, and the prostitution ring wasn't targetted. The bank transactions triggered flags which required the banks to report those transactions. Those reports were forwarded to investigators who saw enough to follow up. The follow-up led to Spitzer on one end the the Emporer's Club on the other end of the path.

    The LA Times wrote a pretty good piece explaining it:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spitzer12mar12,1,7297829.story

    Big Brother is definitely watching. The banks were required by the government to report those sorts of transactions. But there is no evidence that there was a grand conspiracy against Spitzer that caused the government to wiretap and spy on him. Spitzer used the same investigative techniques himself to bust others. So while I'm not happy that big brother is watching, I'm glad one of it's own was caught in the trap.

    Oh okay, thanks for the clarification.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    jeffbr wrote:
    Correct. He wasn't targetted, and the prostitution ring wasn't targetted. The bank transactions triggered flags which required the banks to report those transactions. Those reports were forwarded to investigators who saw enough to follow up. The follow-up led to Spitzer on one end the the Emporer's Club on the other end of the path.

    The LA Times wrote a pretty good piece explaining it:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spitzer12mar12,1,7297829.story

    Big Brother is definitely watching. The banks were required by the government to report those sorts of transactions. But there is no evidence that there was a grand conspiracy against Spitzer that caused the government to wiretap and spy on him. Spitzer used the same investigative techniques himself to bust others. So while I'm not happy that big brother is watching, I'm glad one of it's own was caught in the trap.

    Big Brother watching can also help prevent fraud and identity theft. So it's not all bad.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Big Brother watching can also help prevent fraud and identity theft. So it's not all bad.
    its all ok, big brother is watching.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Big Brother watching can also help prevent fraud and identity theft. So it's not all bad.

    yea I agree. its also a very gray area on where to drawn the line. same goes for wire tapping for terrorism yada yada. its tough.

    for me, its like the abortion issue. I cant tell either side they are wrong. but we'll leave that for a different discussion :)
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Big Brother watching can also help prevent fraud and identity theft. So it's not all bad.


    But it can't be a good thing if those in power use surveillance against those who may pose a political threat to their power. I'd rather risk identity theft and fraud than have a government with this amount of unchecked power.

    Have any of you seen Michael Clayton? I just watched it last weekend
    and boy...that movie had me worked up! :D It was pretty good, though.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    seriously guy what is it with you and these responses?

    jlew gmab...at least try to pretend to be someone else if you're going to change your username...lol
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    jlew gmab...at least try to pretend to be someone else if you're going to change your username...lol

    what is jlew and gmab? something about drinking water again?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what is jlew and gmab? something about drinking water again?

    hehe...nice try, but you're already busted.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    hehe...nice try, but you're already busted.

    anybody else want to tell me? I really don't know these internet lingos.

    ps. I hope this guy doesnt represent the majority of people on this board. this immaturity is ridiculous.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    anybody else want to tell me? I really don't know these internet lingos.

    ps. I hope this guy doesnt represent the majority of people on this board. this immaturity is ridiculous.

    He's accusing you of being someone else who posts here.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    slightofjeff wrote:
    He's accusing you of being someone else who posts here.

    yea I kinda got that but does jlew and gmab mean something? I cant keep up with the kids these days and their terms. LOL is basically the only one I know :)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    yea I kinda got that but does jlew and gmab mean something? I cant keep up with the kids these days and their terms. LOL is basically the only one I know :)

    keep trying...you underestimate greatly.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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