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Obama backs off from pledge to talk with Iran

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
Ok here we go...try to make everyone happy, but is this indicative of the status quo?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/22/barackobama.usforeignpolicy

"Barack Obama has begun to edge away from his offer to pursue talks with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after being hammered by Republicans as an "appeaser".
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,304
    Have you heard him describe how he feels about this in full?
    Where he stands now is really no different than he did before.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    What? Was he in a red or swing state?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    This truly is no different than what he has been saying all along. He is saying that there will be pre-conditions, which he has said over and over again.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ledvedderman wrote:
    This truly is no different than what he has been saying all along. He is saying that there will be pre-conditions, which he has said over and over again.


    You mean talking out of both sides of his mouth this whole time? I agree.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    "backing off" ?????????????

    whilst the non-natural born hence unfit to hold the office old man backs off haggee, immigration , abortion etc etc....

    vote for a real american & true statesman ... barack obama
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Quite the ambidextrous individual, Obama is.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    ....vote for real americans & true statesmans................ ...Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nadar
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    NMyTree wrote:
    ....vote for real americans & true statesmans................ ...Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nadar

    Or Hulk Hogan! :D
    Can't be any worse than Obama - he'd at least agree to meet Ahmadinejad.



    At Wrestlemania 25!!!
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    wwfairfield wrote:

    vote for a real american & true statesman ... barack obama

    eh? You sure have a funny way of spelling Ron Paul.... ;):D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You mean talking out of both sides of his mouth this whole time? I agree.

    How is he talking out of both sides of his mouth? He has been saying this exact same thing for months now. This articles first paragraph makes it sound like he is switching, but when you get down to the meat of the article you see that nothing has changed.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    NMyTree wrote:
    Quite the ambidextrous individual, Obama is.

    I hear he gives one hell of a reach-around...











    sometimes
    I
    kill
    myself
    :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I hear he gives one hell of a reach-around...











    sometimes
    I
    kill
    myself
    :D

    You add so much to every discussion.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    You add so much to every discussion.

    Thanks! :D

    my bad....

    :D

    I needed the laugh...carpe diem.

    (my doc understands).
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Don't you Obama fans see this continual pandering as weakness in your candidate?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    NMyTree wrote:
    ....vote for real americans & true statesmans................ ...Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nadar

    Ever since Dennis Kucinich drop out or forced out, I've lost interest to an extent to this electoral process.

    Roland can have my vote, none of these candidates are worty of my vote. If Nader is on the ballot I'd rather give it to him.

    Peace
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't you Obama fans see this continual pandering as weakness in your candidate?
    When did you stop beating your wife?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't you Obama fans see this continual pandering as weakness in your candidate?

    What pandering? What is stated in this article is no different than what Obama has been saying for months.
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  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    " panderer " ?? see john 'not born in america thus unfit to serve' mccain
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RainDog wrote:
    When did you stop beating your wife?


    Holy fuck...this place...

    nice ..you
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    What pandering? What is stated in this article is no different than what Obama has been saying for months.

    Appease...pander..

    are they that dissimilar of terms?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • down_skidown_ski Posts: 328
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Holy fuck...this place...

    nice ..you

    Yeah, these forums are pretty bad. Most of the Obama fans that i know have no fucking clue what his policies are about, what his plans are. They just hear his radio ads stating he'll have tough diplomacy with Iran and other rogue nations (Never happen) And he'd pull our troops out of Iraq (Never happen) and that he'd lower gas prices (Never happen) And how he'd help college students with insane student loans (Never happen)

    Our 3 choices for president are shitty, but honestly...Hillary and Barack have very similar policies and beliefs. But i'd feel more comfortable with Bill as the first lady then Michelle Obama, one bitch of a lawyer.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Appease...pander..

    are they that dissimilar of terms?

    Where is this even coming from? What does appease or pander have to do with this. He is saying exactly what he has for months.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Where is this even coming from? What does appease or pander have to do with this. He is saying exactly what he has for months.

    As per the original article:

    "Barack Obama has begun to edge away from his offer to pursue talks with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after being hammered by Republicans as an "appeaser"."
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    RainDog wrote:
    When did you stop beating your wife?

    you make looking at this board worthwhile.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    you make looking at this board worthwhile.


    I rest my case.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    As per the original article:

    "Barack Obama has begun to edge away from his offer to pursue talks with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after being hammered by Republicans as an "appeaser"."

    Yes, Roland, I read that. That was in the part of the article that the author put those words together. If you make your way down to the exact quotes from the Obama campaign you will see that Senator Obama is keeping the exact same position he has had for months.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Yes, Roland, I read that. That was in the part of the article that the author put those words together. If you make your way down to the exact quotes from the Obama campaign you will see that Senator Obama is keeping the exact same position he has had for months.


    What was his position before the "months"

    I say this because the article indicates some kind of change in his position.

    I thought he was strong on diplomacy regardless. that article would seem to indicate otherwise right?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    He has stated for months that he would negotiate with nations such as Iran and Syria, with some conditions to attched before he would meet with them---which is exactly what this article says.

    Exact quote:
    "He wants to talk to the Iranian leadership," Bill Richardson, the New Mexico governor and Obama supporter told Fox television yesterday. "But he wants diplomatic preparation before doing that."
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    He has stated for months that he would negotiate with nations such as Iran and Syria, with some conditions to attched before he would meet with them---which is exactly what this article says.

    Exact quote:
    "He wants to talk to the Iranian leadership," Bill Richardson, the New Mexico governor and Obama supporter told Fox television yesterday. "But he wants diplomatic preparation before doing that."

    So the title ("Obama backs off from pledge to talk with Iran") of the article is a misnomer is what you're saying?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So the title ("Obama backs off from pledge to talk with Iran") of the article is a misnomer is what you're saying?

    To say it is misleading would be appropriate, yes.
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