14 reasons to impeach Bush...and another 35 more...

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May 3:

The impeachment train is starting to roll.

Last week, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), started things off by filing a three-article bill of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney. Initially largely ignored by the mainstream media, and even ridiculed by some leading Democrats in Congress, that bill, HR 333, today garnered two co-sponsors, Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO) and Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), the latter a deputy whip and senior member of the House congressional leadership.


http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff05032007.html

Derrick

Sorry. I know the United States is not the least educated nation in the world. Perhaps the least educated of first world countries but, meh. In a similar light, I read a chart where they pitted average IQ of state votes and what party they voted for in the 2000 election. The bottom half was exclusively red (GoP).

So let me restate my earlier sentence:

51% (or 100% of the stupidest half) of the united states support the criminal actions of the current president.

Happy?

PaperPlates

angelica wrote:

plus, isn't the republican credo "responsibility"? Isn't it important to accept accountability for what one has done, in order to actually move on?

We'd all be better off if that was mankinds "credo". Very few, whether they claim to believe in it or not, ever take responsibility for their own actions. Everyone creates their own reality, but few accept the blame for it.

bgivens33

Did the OP write this or was this an article... or found on the internet??

I still think it's a bit humorous that an army field manual was quoted as a reason for impeachment.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

bgivens33 wrote:

Did the OP write this or was this an article... or found on the internet??

I still think it's a bit humorous that an army field manual was quoted as a reason for impeachment.

Some of them are a bit whimsical....for example #25 for "murdering the English language" (my favorite one btw)...some humor is required to swallow the sheer magnitude Bush's nightmare legacy.

big picture...complete disaster... Should he be fired immediately? ...undoubtedly. Can a situation such as this be more obvious in presenting itself... I fail to see otherwise. The man is stuck on stupid in a loop. Worse actually.

cincybearcat

angelica wrote:

plus, isn't the republican credo "responsibility"? Isn't it important to accept accountability for what one has done, in order to actually move on?

Yes.

angelica

PaperPlates wrote:

We'd all be better off if that was mankinds "credo". Very few, whether they claim to believe in it or not, ever take responsibility for their own actions. Everyone creates their own reality, but few accept the blame for it.

What's your opinion regarding the President, then? Do you think he should be held accountable? Do you think he's merely representing a more widespread problem with the people, being a general lack of accountability? Do you think it's a good idea to let go of it and move on?

angelica

cincybearcat wrote:

Yes.

I'm glad that someone agrees.

I know that for myself, personally, I've learned that I have to accept responsibility and accountability for my actions, because if I try to gloss over even little things (much less big ones) it's like little stones in your shoe. It irritates you beneath the surface, no matter how much you try to move on. It's insidious. The key issue needs to be resolved before moving on is really possible, imo.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

I'm glad that someone agrees.

I know that for myself, personally, I've learned that I have to accept responsibility and accountability for my actions, because if I try to gloss over even little things (much less big ones) it's like little stones in your shoe. It irritates you beneath the surface, no matter how much you try to move on. It's insidious. The key issue needs to be resolved before moving on is really possible, imo.

Exactly, and Bush's presidency has been one huge gloss over after another...

There's more rock than shoe at this point.

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

There's more rock than shoe at this point.

As much as this is a very serious topic, the visuals on this are funny!

beachdweller

can't stand Bush, but, well see my responses below.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Here are 14 possible articles of impeachment against the President and Vice President.

1. Leaking classified information by disclosing the identity of Valerie Plame to reporters.

The President and Vice President unlawfully leaked classified information, the identity of a Non-official Cover, Valerie (Wilson) Plame, to a person or persons not authorized to receive such information, namely, Robert Novak, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune, and Matt Cooper, a reporter for Time Magazine.

I think the president can authorize unclassifying someone, and I remember something about him giving Cheney that same privilege, which if true needs to go before the supreme court to see if constitutionally he can do that.


2. Lying to congress -- passing false information about Iraq's WMD capacities.

George Bush and Dick Cheney passed false information to Congress about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities, to wit, their possession of chemical weapons, biological weapons, and delivery systems. Furthermore, George Bush and Dick Cheney passed false information to Congress by falsely stating that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States and that military action was therefore necessary.

this is all BS, they used information they got from intelligent resources, they did I believe cherry pick intelligence though. Not lies, just using the system and manipulating it, but they didn't make it up. Congress was the problem, they didn't want to be labeled anti american, unpatriotic, etc... after 9/11, same reason they passed the patriot act. They chose self preservation over duty to country.


3. Extraordinary Renditions.

George Bush and Dick Cheney authorized the arrest and transporting of prisoners to secret jails in Morocco, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Eastern Europe for detention and torture without trial.

agree with this, but unfortunately, our country has been doing this long before Bush was President.


4. Detentions without Trial.

George Bush and Dick Cheney detained thousands of people at Guantanamo Bay without the possibility of trial and without access to effective counsel.

held as enemy combatants, which is legal, but follow up on what their legal status was, enemy combatant or other and you may have something, but nothing that would lead to impeachment. Most legal questions would make their way to the Supreme Court, if Bush's policy is over ruled, then he'd follow the court's outcome half ass. Bush has legal advisors, as long as their was an arguement for his position, then he basically wouldn't get in trouble for it.


5. Torture.

George Bush and Dick Cheney either ordered or caused other foreign countries to perform torture on suspects illegally detained under sections 3 and 4 of these articles.

we've torture for a long time, see history of the CIA, and now we have a shadow army of merch's that continue to do so. CIA is about doing the things that we don't want to know are being done.



6. Misappropriation of Funds.

George Bush and Dick Cheney diverted funds from Afghanistan to Iraq as documented in Bob Woodward's "Plan of attack" and failed to notify Congress of such appropriations.

wouldn't be impeached, and their are loopholes in this anyway



7. Bombing Iraq without Congressional Approval.

George Bush and Dick Cheney authorized over 21,000 bombing missions on Iraq without Congressional approval before passage of the Iraq War Resolution in October 11th, 2002.

bombing is not declaring war, the President doesn't need congressional approval for military action, only to declare way, see Korean war and Vietnam war for proof, and all the bombings of Iraq in the 90's, Lebanon by the Navy in the 80's, etc...


8. Conspiracy to pass false information.

George Bush and Dick Cheney conspired to pass false information about the nature of the intelligence on Iraq to the US Congress in conjunction with British Prime Minister Tony Blair for the purposes of triggering a war with Iraq as documented in the Downing Street Minutes.

whether this is true or not, it would never be proven unless Blair, Bush, or Cheney confessed. it's hearsay at best, though actions do fall into this realm


10. Contempt of Congress.

George Bush and Dick Cheney showed a contempt of Congress by stating their intentions to violate laws passed by Congress or cause others to do so over 750 times.

bush administration said they were right and their lawyers backed them up on these things, it's Congresses fault it happened, they need to investigate, get things to the Supreme Court, but a Republican Congress did nothing, nothing at all


12. Concealment of the existance or nature of Domestic Intelligence Programs.

George Bush and Dick Cheney concealed the nature and extent of the JPEN program, used for the purpose of domestic intelligence.

this I would love Congress to take up seriously, but it won't will it

13. Destruction of Evidence.

George Bush and Dick Cheney destroyed evidence in conjunction with Plamegate.

hard to prove though it's seems obvious, they follow Rove's book of politics, deny, deny, deny, don't recall, don't recall, don't recall. Easy way around things in a weak system like ours


14. The use of White Phosphorus in Iraq.

George Bush and Dick Cheney authorized the use of White Phosphorus in Iraq in November 2004 during the Fallujah offensive.

prove they gave the order, second it's already in the armies arsenal, it's one of those things like 50 cal machine gun can't be used on personnel, it's against the geneva convention, but you can use it to take out equipment like helmets, rifles, LCE's, if a person is attached to those items, oh well.

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finally, the whole Bush and Cheney thing on each count is ridicules, never by able to prove conspiracy.

best chance is to impeach Bush for absolute incompetence. Problem is no one will impeach Bush with Cheney waiting to become President.

PaperPlates

angelica wrote:

What's your opinion regarding the President, then? Do you think he should be held accountable? Do you think he's merely representing a more widespread problem with the people, being a general lack of accountability? Do you think it's a good idea to let go of it and move on?

I believe he does, in an odd way, take full responsibility for his/their choices. He simply doesnt believe he's wrong. You cant impose your opinion of right and wrong on someone else. So, Id think he'd take credit, rather than responsibility. Responsibility and blame are two different things.

angelica

PaperPlates wrote:

I believe he does, in an odd way, take full responsibility for his/their choices. He simply doesnt believe he's wrong. You cant impose your opinion of right and wrong on someone else. So, Id think he'd take credit, rather than responsibility. Responsibility and blame are two different things.

Taking responsibility means understanding the gravity of what we've done, including when we've broken the law. And it's about people being held to account when it seems that they have broken the law. Of course including due process in actually determining that. Such processes are meant to weed out "fact" from "opinion". Accepting responsibility is accepting the consequences whatever they may be.

These processes of determining guilt/innocence are important beyond the personal opinion of anyone, because they are about finding out the "truth" beyond opinion (beyond your truth and my truth to THE truth). People who do wrong and break the law rarely happily step up and take ownership. If the system (including the people) let the person in question--in this case, the President--decide their own guilt/innocence, that sends the rest of the world a message about what Americans believe about personal accountability. Our actions speak much louder than the ideals we claim to uphold.

angelica

And PP, if you are representing Americans who honestly don't believe wrongdoing took place, then that's a valid position, of course. People believe what they believe. If the United States itself doesn't end up creating an impeachment, that will represent something, regardless of my opinion of what that is.