Canadians...boycott all Petro Canada Gas stations from now on

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Ride a bike.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

All I'm reading is perfect world scenarios...

bowing down to corporate greed and citing it as an environmental do good issue to back it up.

There has to be some kind of deviation in the process instead of just sheeping it along as always... Surprising how people actually condemn this ideology.

I for one will not live in a box so I can have the pleasure of riding a bicycle or a bus in the winter. That's just ass backwards. Unrest....I say shake the system up as much as possible until energy alternatives arrive. It will hasten their arrival if anything. Mess with the system at every opportunity...especially in this case.

A perfect, green sparkling world would be great....were not there yet. We never will be burning coal and oil. essentially everything you touch and eat is made from it. We are getting 100% ripped off. It's already there in the ground...free.

Derrick

I like the idea in the OP, but the law of Supply and Demand will trump it...and that's if you could even get 5% of the population to buy in, which I don't think anyone could. Under 5% wouldn't even show a dent in their numbers.

Canada is built for the automobile. We are spread out. We have piss poor transit systems within cities and between cities. We like big yards and privacy. Plus, our autumns, winters, and springs make cycling and walking even less appealing.

Beyond that, there is the issue that an unnatural balance of large-number employers are condensed into metropolitan centres that increase the likelyhood of commuters. People live in Collingwood and work in Toronto. That's just WRONG, but it happens every day.

If you want to attack the gasoline prices, I salute you. I really do. I just don't think the Canadian consumer is the way to go. This is a place where, if public transit were suddenly free, people still wouldn't use it.

chromiam

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All I'm reading is perfect world scenarios...

They are all real world scenarios. Try carpooling to work with 3 or 4 other people, ride a bike when possible, don't drive to a different store everyday (run errands on the same day to save fue)l, use public transportation. These are all possible and plausible real world solutions.

Again, by not buying gas from one company you just create more demand on the others and the company which you are boycotting can just sell its surplus fuel to the other companies. So basically you accomplished nothing other than changing who you buy your fuel from.

polaris

the only issue i have with this campaign is that basically - if you want to use it - then you need to pay for it ... even at these prices - it is still subsidized and well below the true cost ... your desire for cheap gas impacts people like me who choose to avoid driving as much as possible ... we've already had like 5 smog alerts and its barely june here ...

even flow?

I need gas? I stop at whatever station happens to be on the corner when I look up. Dosen't matter if it is Shell, Pet-Can, Esso, etc. I drive. I pay. Do I complain when the prices go up? I only moan. And then I fill my tank up. I take the extra 2.5 (at least) hours it would take me to use public transit to get to and from work and put it to good use.

The only boycott that would work would be for nobody to turn up at work for a week and blame it on gas prices. But that is as easy to do as getting people to boycott Pet-Can.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

chromiam wrote:

They are all real world scenarios. Try carpooling to work with 3 or 4 other people, ride a bike when possible, don't drive to a different store everyday (run errands on the same day to save fue)l, use public transportation. These are all possible and plausible real world solutions.

Again, by not buying gas from one company you just create more demand on the others and the company which you are boycotting can just sell its surplus fuel to the other companies. So basically you accomplished nothing other than changing who you buy your fuel from.

Real world scenarios sure...likely scenarios...no. Just like I could fly to the moon but it's likely I wont anytime in the next 20 years.

If gas is a $1.50 and Petro Canada has to sell off to their competitors to move it...they sure as hell aren't going to get 1.50 (street price) for it are they?

I'm under the impression they are just a gasoline retailer buying gas from various refineries. Petro Canada is not a refinery to my knowledge.

Would lack of business not force them to make their product more appealing price-wise?

anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#Canada

oh well I just found this...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp

RolandTD20Kdrummer

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such a shame...my turbo loves a few more drops of juice with each deep breath...

sourdough

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All I'm reading is perfect world scenarios...

bowing down to corporate greed and citing it as an environmental do good issue to back it up.

There has to be some kind of deviation in the process instead of just sheeping it along as always... Surprising how people actually condemn this ideology.

I for one will not live in a box so I can have the pleasure of riding a bicycle or a bus in the winter. That's just ass backwards. Unrest....I say shake the system up as much as possible until energy alternatives arrive. It will hasten their arrival if anything. Mess with the system at every opportunity...especially in this case.

A perfect, green sparkling world would be great....were not there yet. We never will be burning coal and oil. essentially everything you touch and eat is made from it. We are getting 100% ripped off. It's already there in the ground...free.

If that is what you want, than that is your choice but be prepared to live with the consequences including high gas prices. It just seems like you want the convenience and benefits of living away from the city and use your car but without any of the drawbacks. Sprawling communities cost tax payers far more money because they are inefficient and low density areas. This is precisely why it is difficult to provide good transit to them. They are economically bad decisions and environmental disasters.

sourdough

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Real world scenarios sure...likely scenarios...no. Just like I could fly to the moon but it's likely I wont anytime in the next 20 years.

Really??? Flying to the moon? Its that hard? Is the concept of getting out of your car that foreign and unachievable?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sourdough wrote:

Really??? Flying to the moon? Its that hard? Is the concept of getting out of your car that foreign and unachievable?

The likelihood...yes...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sourdough wrote:

If that is what you want, than that is your choice but be prepared to live with the consequences including high gas prices. It just seems like you want the convenience and benefits of living away from the city and use your car but without any of the drawbacks. Sprawling communities cost tax payers far more money because they are inefficient and low density areas. This is precisely why it is difficult to provide good transit to them. They are economically bad decisions and environmental disasters.

hey man it's all we got right now short of embracing the stone age... I did say I refuse to live in a box and be disconnected with the outdoors.

If that's your thing well...viva la condo...and some freak upstairs walking on your head all the time.

chromiam

sourdough wrote:

If that is what you want, than that is your choice but be prepared to live with the consequences including high gas prices. It just seems like you want the convenience and benefits of living away from the city and use your car but without any of the drawbacks. Sprawling communities cost tax payers far more money because they are inefficient and low density areas. This is precisely why it is difficult to provide good transit to them. They are economically bad decisions and environmental disasters.

Thank you.. well said.
We all have choices to make, if all you want to do is bitch about gas prices and then continue to drive around in your car without changing anything, then its your choice. But if I'm going to complain about gas prices, then I think I might do something more concrete and effective then just changing who I buy my gas from.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

chromiam wrote:

Thank you.. well said.
We all have choices to make, if all you want to do is bitch about gas prices and then continue to drive around in your car without changing anything, then its your choice. But if I'm going to complain about gas prices, then I think I might do something more concrete and effective then just changing who I buy my gas from.

What do you suggest then?

chromiam

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What do you suggest then?

carpooling, running errands at the same time (not over days), using fuel efficient cars or alternative fuel cars, public transportation, transportation which isn't powered by gasoline or uses less gas (bikes, mopeds, motorcycles), maintaining your car properly, and I'm sure there a plethora of other things.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

chromiam wrote:

carpooling, running errands at the same time (not over days), using fuel efficient cars or alternative fuel cars, public transportation, transportation which isn't powered by gasoline or uses less gas (bikes, mopeds, motorcycles), maintaining your car properly, and I'm sure there a plethora of other things.

some of those are obviously just being smarter and pre-planning, but carpooling, 2 wheeling it, and public trans are pretty much out without drastic lifestyle changes. Most would have to be literally starving from gas prices first.

Practicality is the reality.

Alternative fuels is the way to go though. I'm very surprised more natural gas cars are not hitting the market.

polaris

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

some of those are obviously just being smarter and pre-planning, but carpooling, 2 wheeling it, and public trans are pretty much out without drastic lifestyle changes. Most would have to be literally starving from gas prices first.

Practicality is the reality.

Alternative fuels is the way to go though. I'm very surprised more natural gas cars are not hitting the market.

what kind of car do you drive ... you could probably make up that difference in the price of gas on the vehicle you drive alone

chromiam

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

some of those are obviously just being smarter and pre-planning, but carpooling, 2 wheeling it, and public trans are pretty much out without drastic lifestyle changes. Most would have to be literally starving from gas prices first.

Practicality is the reality.

Alternative fuels is the way to go though. I'm very surprised more natural gas cars are not hitting the market.

Lowering fuel consumption isn't rocket science. It's about making smarter decisions and planning. As for carpooling being a drastic lifestyle change, how hard is it to go "hmmm John down the street works in town too, we could spilt the gas cost and go to work together" ???

MCG

I know I would consider taking the bus where I live IF IT WERE EFFICIENT!!! The bus routes in my city are so poorly designed it takes me over an hour to go somewhere it takes me less than 15mins to go in my car. I can either burn time or gas, I choose gas. I walk and carpool when I can but for work and school I'm completely dependant on my car and costly gasoline for transportation.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I stationary bike 8 miles a day and can run 5 miles in 35-40 min no problem... I would love to be able to bike to work. I used to do exactly that when I lived midtown in an apartment with mice and roaches. That was a 45 min bike ride daily each way.

I refuse to live in a box or be crammed into a tiny house and pay through the nose though. I've lived in so many shitty, noisy, smelly downtown apartments...never again. they all have fleas... condo's are just slightly better...