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Obama...flip floppin like the best of them...

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
impressive...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JQquWTddE&feature=related
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    impressive...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JQquWTddE&feature=related

    is this another tard-made video...?

    no thanks...
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,300
    Wow yet another worthless video.

    First part: Iran does not pose a threat to US.
    Second part: Iran does pose a threat to the area and not referring to US.

    Roland, I know you love this shit but I figured you of all people would be able to see that. I hope you're drunk or you have a definition of "flip-flopping" all to your own, but if you really think that, that is just comical.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Iran is no threat to us, that is correct. However, they are to our allies in the middle east. Clearly he wasn't speaking of the same things during each of those. The first clip was him talking about Iran as a threat to the United States...the second was him discussing Irans threat to the middle east.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    yawn....
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    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
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    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Wow the blind faith you guys have is f-ing scary... The guy just pulled a 180 before your eyes and you;re like ...meh so what?

    Obama does experience matter?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cBHFCs7pi4&feature=PlayList&p=16A069216601F514&index=17

    make peace not war Barak...

    Good luck!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Wow the blind faith you guys have is f-ing scary... The guy just pulled a 180 before your eyes and you;re like ...meh so what?

    Maybe if you paid attention to what he actually said, maybe you would be able to tell that there was no contradiction...

    But I guess it's much easier to just pay attention to out-of-context, spliced videoclips on youtube and make judgements based on that.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Wow the blind faith you guys have is f-ing scary... The guy just pulled a 180 before your eyes and you;re like ...meh so what?

    The same could be said about you. You really are reaching for something that's not there Roland.
    I mean, it's clear that you dislike the guy so much that your own distaste for him is really clouding what is otherwise completely obvious.
    And to me (and I think most people) that is a bit f-ing scary.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Maybe if you paid attention to what he actually said, maybe you would be able to tell that there was no contradiction...

    But I guess it's much easier to just pay attention to out-of-context, spliced videoclips on youtube and make judgements based on that.


    "Iran is not a threat".... v.s. "Iran is a very grave threat...with an illegal nuclear program"

    Ok What's not to understand?

    You tell me... please...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mca47 wrote:
    The same could be said about you. You really are reaching for something that's not there Roland.
    I mean, it's clear that you dislike the guy so much that your own distaste for him is really clouding what is otherwise completely obvious.
    And to me (and I think most people) that is a bit f-ing scary.

    laughable..

    All you have to do is listen to what he just said and realize what is going on.

    Are you telling me that wasn't Barak? because it sure looked like him to me.

    The only defense you have in this scenario is if that wasn't him...

    and it was.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    "Iran is not a threat".... v.s. "Iran is a very grave threat...with an illegal nuclear program"

    Ok What's not to understand?

    You tell me... please...

    Did you not read the previous responses?

    That video is basically the same thing as me saying...

    The serial killer that lives in the other state is not a threat to me, but is a threat to the people that live by him.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mca47 wrote:
    Did you not read the previous responses?

    That video is basically the same thing as me saying...

    The serial killer that lives in the other state is not a threat to me, but is a threat to the people that live by him.

    The US is impervious to nuclear weapons?

    incredible....

    uhh...when?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    "Iran is not a threat".... v.s. "Iran is a very grave threat...with an illegal nuclear program"

    Ok What's not to understand?

    You tell me... please...

    do you have any listening/reading comprehension skills whatsoever?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,300
    blackredyellow wrote:
    do you have any listening/reading comprehension skills whatsoever?

    Hahaha

    Yeah, what's awesome is that words by themselves have meaning but you can put them together to form sentences that mean other things.
    I think he got this out of that video...

    ...Iran...not...threat...
    ...Iran...is...threat...

    Where everything else was just missed.

    Oh well.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    "They don't pose a very serious threat to us"

    vs.

    "Iran is a grave threat...it threatens Israel's existence"

    Yup...flip flopping like a fish out of water
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ledvedderman wrote:
    "They don't pose a very serious threat to us"

    vs.

    "Iran is a grave threat...it threatens Israel's existence"

    Yup...flip flopping like a fish out of water



    Crap... you had to mention Israel, didn't you? You Zionist pig....




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    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    I can't watch the video at work, but after reading this thread I think Roland's point is that how can someone say "Iran is not a threat to the US" then talk about an illegal nuclear weapons operation... doesn't nuclear weapons=threat?

    But what I'm more interested in is why you all agree that Iran is a threat to Israel/the Middle East when it clearly isn't. I don't care so much about Obama flip flopping as I do about him saying outright bullshit. ;)
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ledvedderman wrote:
    "They don't pose a very serious threat to us"

    vs.

    "Iran is a grave threat...it threatens Israel's existence"

    Yup...flip flopping like a fish out of water

    I'll have to remember that all Americans automatically assume they are invincible to nuclear weapons from now on then.

    I just want to know when that all transpired?!? I only remember sleeping 8 hours last night.

    What is it...magic suits? magic wands?

    "make believe" I think....

    but that's not what people are thinking when they think of "terrorists" with nuclear weapons now are they..

    answer: No they are not.

    And BTW he said *ILLEGAL* nuclear program for those who missed that part as well.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The US is impervious to nuclear weapons?

    incredible....

    uhh...when?


    Well, when we are talking about a country with primitive nuclear capabilities and tremendously short range missiles, yes, the US is impervious to those nuclear weapons.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    _outlaw wrote:
    I can't watch the video at work, but after reading this thread I think Roland's point is that how can someone say "Iran is not a threat to the US" then talk about an illegal nuclear weapons operation... doesn't nuclear weapons=threat?

    But what I'm more interested in is why you all agree that Iran is a threat to Israel/the Middle East when it clearly isn't. I don't care so much about Obama flip flopping as I do about him saying outright bullshit. ;)

    It's a very short video of Obama talking out his ass about proving the case for military action on Iran, while at the same time thoroughly contradicting his original position and ideologies on the matter.

    flip

    flop...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Well, when we are talking about a country with primitive nuclear capabilities and tremendously short range missiles, yes, the US is impervious to those nuclear weapons.


    You think a nuclear bomb has to be a missile?

    They can't float into various harbors inside shipping crates at all eh?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
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    (")_(")
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's a very short video of Obama talking out his ass about proving the case for military action on Iran, while at the same time thoroughly contradicting his original position and ideologies on the matter.

    flip

    flop...

    When again in that clip (or that speech for that matter) did he bring up, or endorse military action against Iran?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Well, when we are talking about a country with primitive nuclear capabilities and tremendously short range missiles, yes, the US is impervious to those nuclear weapons.
    what about the troops in Iraq? Afghanistan?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    When again in that clip (or that speech for that matter) did he bring up, or endorse military action against Iran?


    I knew that would be the next question from someone.

    hmm terrorists with nuclear weapons...lets ponder the scenario and decide what to do.

    Given the ongoing attack Iran rhetoric in the media, and the undeniably clear intentions on both sides, what do you think he's talking about with scare mongering talk like this?

    Inciting public opinion and impression to plant flowers in Iran?

    hmm...I'm guessing no...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki...boom...just dropped em from airplanes...

    I think Iran owns at least one airplane at last check.

    It's all so scary Barak....and it's even illegal you say?

    Oh my goodness...we must do something Barak...

    save us from the terrorists..

    lead us...

    do whatever is necessary...

    Iran is bad.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki...boom...just dropped em from airplanes...

    I think Iran owns at least one airplane at last check.

    It's all so scary Barak....and it's even illegal you say?

    Oh my goodness...we must do something Barak...

    save us from the terrorists..

    lead us...

    do whatever is necessary...

    Iran is bad.

    you should create a youtube clip...
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    you should create a youtube clip...

    You mean assemble mainstream television footage to help those with limited memories?

    It's seems to be the order of the day ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    and the verdict is in

    180 degree flip flop...

    I rest my case.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • angryyoungmanangryyoungman Medford, NY Posts: 1,028
    mca47 wrote:
    The same could be said about you. You really are reaching for something that's not there Roland.
    I mean, it's clear that you dislike the guy so much that your own distaste for him is really clouding what is otherwise completely obvious.
    And to me (and I think most people) that is a bit f-ing scary.
    roland reaching for something that isn't there???? NO!!!! get out of here!!! you're so silly, you probably believe that planes brought down the wtc!!
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  • angryyoungmanangryyoungman Medford, NY Posts: 1,028
    speaking of flip flopping. . .how does one go from accusing the current admin. of the things you have about 9/11 to now obama bashing. . .so then go ahead roland, vote for mccain. . .you're lost bro
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    and the verdict is in

    180 degree flip flop...

    I rest my case.


    I agree. Not a threat to a threat. Doesn't matter to whom. His implication is that if they continue to be considered a threat to us or our allies, he will push for an attack.
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