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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    Israel is the more powerful actor, for sure. That doesn't mean it is in the wrong. Besides which power is a matter of perspective. If you look just at Israel and the Palestinians Israel is a goliath. However if you view the same situation the way an Israeli might, within the context of the wider Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel is a tiny country surrounded on all sides by hostile neighbors.

    A tiny, powerful nuclear country, with the 2nd largest fleet of F16's in the world. Also, a tiny country given unconditional support by the worlds only superpower.

    Still, far be it for me to interrupt your little fantasy.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    nor am I so foolish or so malicious as to think that Israel WANTS to be oppressing the Palestinians.

    I apologize if there isn't enough nuance in the following quotations for your liking:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/martin03112005.html

    '..Theodor Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, said in 1892:

    [We shall] spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.

    And in 1937, Ben Gurion stated:

    The compulsory transfer of Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple.

    And in a letter to his son, also in 1937, he stated:

    We must expel the Arabs and take their places and if we have to use force, to guarantee our own right to settle in those places ­ then we have force at our disposal.

    And in early 1948 Ben Gurion wrote in his War Diary,

    "During the assault we must be ready to strike the decisive blow; that is, either to destroy the towns or expel its inhabitants so our people can replace them."

    And in February 1948, Ben Gurion told Yoseph Weitz, director of the settlement of the Jewish National Fund and head of the official Transfer Committee of 1948:

    The war will give us land. The concept of 'ours' and 'not ours' are peace concepts, only, in war they lose their whole meaning.

    In fact, the concept of transfer, a euphemism for expulsion, was embraced by the entire Jewish leadership from the earliest stages of Zionism until the 1948 extirpation of the indigenous population. Transfer committees were actually set up from 1937 on until 1948 in order to study ways of ridding Palestine of as many Arabs as possible...'
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