Rachel Corrie....dead at 23

RolandTD20Kdrummer

You may not have known who this little girl was, and who she grew up to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utrTTOg0KQ

Supported by hundreds of billions in US taxpayer money (and weapons) to oppressively occupy and murder innocent women and children in Palestine.

America's tax dollars hard at work.

nickcat0

I admire people like Rachel who know what they believe in .

Personally , whilst finding her death sad , I've no idea if she was a martyr or a troublemaker .

I find the whole "Middle East" question too confusing . So many conflicting stories , so many atrocities on all sides , I just don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad ?

This applies to Israel , Palestine , Iraq ..... all of them . Sometimes it seems that everyone is in the wrong .

FinsburyParkCarrots

I'll never forget the radio host, Charlie Wolf, referring to Rachel as "scum". That was surely the lowest point in British phone-in talk radio broadcasting.

fuck

nickcat0 wrote:

I admire people like Rachel who know what they believe in .

Personally , whilst finding her death sad , I've no idea if she was a martyr or a troublemaker .

I find the whole "Middle East" question too confusing . So many conflicting stories , so many atrocities on all sides , I just don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad ?

This applies to Israel , Palestine , Iraq ..... all of them . Sometimes it seems that everyone is in the wrong .

Well, I'm sure running someone over with a tank when they are trying to protect a house from being bulldozed is no accident.

honestly, i feel like sometimes people forget who rachel corrie was and it's gonna sad...

jlew24asu

so American soldiers killed her? i dont understand. how is this Americans fault?

Eliot Rosewater

jlew24asu wrote:

so American soldiers killed her? i dont understand. how is this Americans fault?

Now's one hell of a time to call on your selective memory, jlew. America and Israel are one. Anyone with cognitive thought knows that. The two countries aren't just sleeping together. They're gang-raping the world together.

jlew24asu

don't gimme no wrote:

Now's one hell of a time to call on your selective memory, jlew. America and Israel are one. Anyone with cognitive thought knows that. The two countries aren't just sleeping together. They're gang-raping the world together.

ok right. so how did this girl die?

Truthmonger

jlew24asu wrote:

ok right. so how did this girl die?

She got (intentionally ?) ran over by an Israeli tank. She was an aid worker, unless I'm mistaken.

jlew24asu

Truthmonger wrote:

She got (intentionally ?) ran over by an Israeli tank. She was an aid worker, unless I'm mistaken.

intentionally? did she jump in front of it as a protest type thing? does anyone know the real story?

Eliot Rosewater

Truthmonger wrote:

She got (intentionally ?) ran over by an Israeli tank. She was an aid worker, unless I'm mistaken.

It was absolutely intentional. She was wearing bright orange clothing and well within the view of the driver. I think it was a bulldozer though....not a tank, but I could be wrong. I'm not wrong about it being Israeli though and I'm not wrong about them giving the U.S. and A. constant head.

Eliot Rosewater

jlew24asu wrote:

intentionally? did she jump in front of it as a protest type thing? does anyone know the real story?

I know the real story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa_WFZyN2l8&mode=related&search=

beachdweller

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You may not have known who this little girl was, and who she grew up to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utrTTOg0KQ

Supported by hundreds of billions in US taxpayer money (and weapons) to oppressively occupy and murder innocent women and children in Palestine.

America's tax dollars hard at work.

there was plenty of death in the middle east every before U S dollar 1 was every spent there.

if we do nothing they will kill each other, if we try and fund one or both sides they will kill each other, but I think the death rate is lower with our involvement, though I think we are going about dealing with almost every issue in the middle east wrong.

peace can't work everywhere yet, but their are peaceful nations in the middleeast, but that doesn't mean that they are full of peaceful people.

I think the way things are going, we can see Jordan, Egypt, and Pakistan fall to extremists overnight. The situation is so delicate, then what?

Not sure of the answer, but a lot of it has to come from muslims themselves, and changes in policies by the West.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

so American soldiers killed her? i dont understand. how is this Americans fault?

The US supports Israel. They give Israel more aid then they give every country combined.

The Israeli's are exterminating the Palestinians, and the media is hiding it. Actually worse than hiding it...they are spinning it to make it look normal and just. The crime of the century is in full swing right now, and here we are looking at Iran.

No ifs and's or buts...it's pure and simple genocide, and the US is in deep with both hands financing everything to make it all happen.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

beachdweller wrote:

there was plenty of death in the middle east every before U S dollar 1 was every spent there.

if we do nothing they will kill each other, if we try and fund one or both sides they will kill each other, but I think the death rate is lower with our involvement, though I think we are going about dealing with almost every issue in the middle east wrong.

peace can't work everywhere yet, but their are peaceful nations in the middleeast, but that doesn't mean that they are full of peaceful people.

I think the way things are going, we can see Jordan, Egypt, and Pakistan fall to extremists overnight. The situation is so delicate, then what?

Not sure of the answer, but a lot of it has to come from muslims themselves, and changes in policies by the West.

This is the average semi-informed viewpoint. I used to think that way myself. You need to puke of that last bit of CNN propaganda bile that poisons your thinking.

It's genocide carried out by religious lunatics. Check out my Occupation 101 thread....and watch the movie.

You will fully understand afterwards.

Truthmonger

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This is the average semi-informed viewpoint. I used to think that way myself. You need to puke of that last bit of CNN propaganda bile that poisons your thinking.

It's genocide carried out by religious lunatics. Check out my Occupation 101 thread....and watch the movie.

You will fully understand afterwards.

You're right. One thing the documentary points out is that its not true that people there have been at war forever. In fact, there was a relative sense of harmony between the Jews and Arabs. I'm not saying it was paradise, but there was peace. Things changed with the formation of Israel after WW II and the expulsion of thousands of Palestinians from the land in order to create the new state.

CorporateWhore

The creation of the Jewish state is a sunk decision - you cannot base any future decisions on it. You can only base decisions on the fact that Israel is a state that is not going anywhere.

Therefore, what next? Are we going to hold Israel AND the Palestinians accountable or just Israel because they're successful and organized?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

CorporateWhore wrote:

The creation of the Jewish state is a sunk decision - you cannot base any future decisions on it. You can only base decisions on the fact that Israel is a state that is not going anywhere.

Therefore, what next? Are we going to hold Israel AND the Palestinians accountable or just Israel because they're successful and organized?

You don't really seem to understand it. Hundreds (and hundreds, and hundreds) of billions of dollars and endless military support tanks, planes, guns, bombs etc... v.s. kids throwing rocks and the odd farmer that can get his hands on something to actually fight back with.

Yeah man....it's like that. Just like that.

Your head has been programmed by a very cunning, and highly deceptive media, up down and sideways.

CorporateWhore

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You don't really seem to understand it. Hundreds (and hundreds, and hundreds) of billions of dollars and endless military support tanks, planes, guns, bombs etc... v.s. kids throwing rocks and the odd farmer that can get his hands on something to actually fight back with.

Yeah man....it's like that. Just like that.

Your head has been programmed by a very cunning, and highly deceptive media, up down and sideways.

So I guess Hamas is just madeup pretend! Haha, talk about "programmed."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

CorporateWhore wrote:

So I guess Hamas is just madeup pretend! Haha, talk about "programmed."

I expected you to revolt against the logic of it. You don't seem to get it...why is that?

It's not a question anymore what is going on over there. Please catch up with the rest of reality.

beachdweller

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This is the average semi-informed viewpoint. I used to think that way myself. You need to puke of that last bit of CNN propaganda bile that poisons your thinking.

It's genocide carried out by religious lunatics. Check out my Occupation 101 thread....and watch the movie.

You will fully understand afterwards.

sorry, but you're wrong, the video is as much propaganda as some sort of CNN agenda you reference, wouldn't know, I don't watch CNN. Anyway, it's not nearly as simple as you make it out to be. The relgious lunatics are only a section of the problem there, we here in the U S are a part of the problem because all we act on is the last few decades or last weeks cable news report, and the issue is thousands of years old. If most people knew the history, muslim vs jew vs christian, muslim vs muslim, trib vs trib, family vs family, how many times the so called holy land has switch masters, and how much money goes into that region today to keep the peace, steal more land, and/or create more turmoil they would be amazed. Even those that think they know what's going on.

anyone that thinks any side will win without compremise on all sides, at all levels is kidding themselves. Muslim extremist seem to have no problem waiting, there are far more of them then Jews.

There was a possibility to continue to chip away at states and get them to go by the way of Jordan and Egypt, but with invading Iraq unnecessarilly, there is more of a chance that Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan, among others, make fall to extremists coup's in the future than more muslim countries going the moderate, peaceful, world participating route.

My take is that Israel well nuc it's enemies before it gives up it's state.

This is what you get when holy land is more important than the holy faith.

You might have a better chance for peace by moving everyone out of the Jerusalem area and nuc it.

If the U S was able to drop their oil consumption by 19%, the amount we import from the Middle East, we wouldn't need to protect the oil reserves then, so how would our allegiance to Israel look then? Not sure....

Any chance of strong leaders in the middle east stepping up and trying for peace with all and not getting killed first?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

beachdweller wrote:

sorry, but you're wrong, the video is as much propaganda as some sort of CNN agenda you reference, wouldn't know, I don't watch CNN. Anyway, it's not nearly as simple as you make it out to be. The relgious lunatics are only a section of the problem there, we here in the U S are a part of the problem because all we act on is the last few decades or last weeks cable news report, and the issue is thousands of years old. If most people knew the history, muslim vs jew vs christian, muslim vs muslim, trib vs trib, family vs family, how many times the so called holy land has switch masters, and how much money goes into that region today to keep the peace, steal more land, and/or create more turmoil they would be amazed. Even those that think they know what's going on.

anyone that thinks any side will win without compremise on all sides, at all levels is kidding themselves. Muslim extremist seem to have no problem waiting, there are far more of them then Jews.

There was a possibility to continue to chip away at states and get them to go by the way of Jordan and Egypt, but with invading Iraq unnecessarilly, there is more of a chance that Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan, among others, make fall to extremists coup's in the future than more muslim countries going the moderate, peaceful, world participating route.

My take is that Israel well nuc it's enemies before it gives up it's state.

This is what you get when holy land is more important than the holy faith.

You might have a better chance for peace by moving everyone out of the Jerusalem area and nuc it.

If the U S was able to drop their oil consumption by 19%, the amount we import from the Middle East, we wouldn't need to protect the oil reserves then, so how would our allegiance to Israel look then? Not sure....

Any chance of strong leaders in the middle east stepping up and trying for peace with all and not getting killed first?

If you say and think that...then you don't know what's really going on.

I could create some simple scenarios that would turn you into a terrorist against me just by me doing what Israel is doing. With a snap of my fingers.

That's the hard truth. It's not even a question anymore man. It's reality. Exactly the same as what the US is doing in Iraq.

Huge US military war mongering corporations tell the politicians, and media what to say and do in order to make money. It's all one big sleep in bed together brainwash being carried on the dumbed down people of America. Hundreds of billions of dollars to fight farmers with AK47's and shoulder rockets?!?! ...I mean really....who's kidding who here?

Who is actually buying this shit? Billions of dollars to fight a country that was bombed back to the stone ages in the first gulf war?

Disgusting lies and manipulation...it's sickening. Stop swallowing it.

It's not a 1000's of years old war...that's the ongoing myth. It started up in the 1920's by an imposed occupation.

It's the same as apartheid..it's the same as Iraq...it's going to be the exact same deal in Iran.