Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest

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  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I don't need the grammar/post police to crawl up my ass and tell me how it all is...and how I should "be"....sorry.


    Roland, take a look at my posts from the past couple months... a very fair percentage of them are obvious joke posts. hell, check out my "contribution" to the Nugent thread.

    I didnt know it offended you, and if it does, i am sorry. I was just joking because i always see "post edited by..." and wonder what the heck you're always changing.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    I understand this issue hits close to home for you.


    This place is borderline ____ for trying to discuss anything seriously. Oh well, so be it.

    kill the messenger...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    This place is borderline ____ for trying to discuss anything seriously. Oh well, so be it.

    kill the messenger...

    And your message?

    I'm not one of those who takes comfort to being a non-entity in the process of assimilation going on. I'm not killing anyone.

    Unless the opportunity presents itself.

    Artistically speaking.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    What's worse, the police infiltrating this demonstration, or the assholes in this thread who cannot take a joke? My vote: the assholes. It was three police officers anyway, quit ur bitchin' and get jobs.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    What's worse, the police infiltrating this demonstration, or the assholes in this thread who cannot take a joke? My vote: the assholes. It was three police officers anyway, quit ur bitchin' and get jobs.

    This isn't an election.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    gue_barium wrote:
    This isn't an election.

    Oh, you gonna make a joke about my post? That's just like this board. I make a post and someone has to make a joke about it instead of talking about the point of my post.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Oh, you gonna make a joke about my post? That's just like this board. I make a post and someone has to make a joke about it instead of talking about the point of my post.

    I'm not very good at making jokes. Jokes usually make themselves 'round here.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I saw this on the news last night. Absurd!

    It's one thing for the Conservatives to try to degrade the Liberals in this way, but it's entirely a different thing for the Government to discredit the citizens they serve in this same manner.

    There shouldn't be a war between Government and Citizenry. Whenever a portion of the citizenry is discontented with this type of secrecy, it should be the governments priority to rectify the problem, not exacerbate it.

    What would happen if the agents were successful. It would appear that a bunch of headless apes rioted in opposition to something they don't understand. The nation dumbed down by their bubetubes would mostly relate to the "peaceful" appearance of the SPP and looked down upon the violent protesters. But, it is not so, has it ever been so? In this case, the government is the source of the violence, not the protestors and how many times has it been protestors?

    You can't know. The discontent with the citizenry is over the secrecy of the SPP, Harper chose to deal with it by extending that secrecy and clandestine activity to agent provacateurs. Absolutely absurd.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm not very good at making jokes. Jokes usually make themselves 'round here.

    Need another shovel for that hole you're digging...lol

    how was that?

    good/bad?

    (Your previous reply was too abstract)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    Roland, take a look at my posts from the past couple months... a very fair percentage of them are obvious joke posts. hell, check out my "contribution" to the Nugent thread.

    I didnt know it offended you, and if it does, i am sorry. I was just joking because i always see "post edited by..." and wonder what the heck you're always changing.


    Well I was like pulling teeth to try to introduce the SPP/NAU situation here. I got all kinds of endless repetitive nonsense slung at me for that.

    Then, all the way along trying to show people it's actually real, people kept taking shots. Now that everyone actually knows it is real, and I'm shedding further light on it for what it really is, the criticism keeps coming.

    So yeah...I'm a little touchy on the "you're crazy...."you're slipping/losing it" aspect over this topic at this point. Mostly because it's a pretty important issue.

    Anyhow... don't worry about it. It happens.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • not4u
    not4u Posts: 512
    we better be quite or else we're gunna be first in line for the 'SPP new american military draft' that will stretch from mexico to canada. With all the profiling going on now, liberals first.
    - this is based off a nightmare i had last night.

    Liberty is not wealth.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    not4u wrote:
    we better be quite or else we're gunna be first in line for the 'SPP new american military draft' that will stretch from mexico to canada. With all the profiling going on now, liberals first.
    - this is based off a nightmare i had last night.

    Liberty is not wealth.

    Yeah, they raised the draft age from 36 to 42 as well. I guess they're preparing for something potentially very huge.

    total lunatics! ...they should all be beaten, and locked away for their endless crimes towards humanity.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Roland, Do you think police should be allowed to do any undercover work? If yes, are there areas that you feel should be out of bounds for them to do this work in?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • not4u
    not4u Posts: 512
    surferdude wrote:
    Roland, Do you think police should be allowed to do any undercover work? If yes, are there areas that you feel should be out of bounds for them to do this work in?

    i believe they should do anything, aslong as no predetermined mindset exists to obsruct justice and walk in the way of freedom for the citizens of my country. Otherwize, they make themselves and thier jobs enemies to the citizens they get paid to protect.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    as long as we have our television and scandulous celebrities - all will be forgotten!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    surferdude wrote:
    Roland, Do you think police should be allowed to do any undercover work? If yes, are there areas that you feel should be out of bounds for them to do this work in?

    undermining the constitution guidelines (what few tattered pieces are left of it) and people rights to free speech for starters.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    undermining the constitution guidelines (what few tattered pieces are left of it) and people rights to free speech for starters.
    How does doing undercover work infringe on someone's right to free speach?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    surferdude wrote:
    How does doing undercover work infringe on someone's right to free speach?

    Did you miss the video? It wasn't exactly passive undercover. The term provocateur ring any bells?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    surferdude wrote:
    How does doing undercover work infringe on someone's right to free speach?

    It doesn't. The allegation is that this was not straight forward undercover work, you know this. If they were just collecting information, this wouldn't be as big a deal (it would still be unnecessary harassment IMO, as the protesters were cordoned off and probably being filmed anyway).

    Even if it is proven that they were trying to incite violence, it doesn't necessarily effect free speech directly. But indirectly, it would build the case for further protest restrictions, and give the public the perception that the people protesting the SPP are extremist radicals.

    It really makes me wonder about the violence at past WTO protests. It is dirty, political policing, and there should be a massive independant investigation into this. It strikes at the very heart of democracy.

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