Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.
Millions and millions of people use illegal drugs responsibly, just as millions and millions use alcohol responsibly. They don't lose their jobs, or neglect their kids, or blow the family fortune on coke, or any of the other horror stories that we've all seen. They kick back on Saturday night, relax, have a good time, and that's it.
That some don't is no reason to try to ban them from existence, particularly when there is no way to do so.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?
Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.
absolutely you have every right to share your opinion. just as i have every right to disagree with you as vehemently as i see fit.
you are dismissive of drug takers as being trash. that's what i was addressing.
and now you describe them as filth. not to mention scum. again this is what i am objecting to. this is what you sincerely must adjust your mindset on. i know you won't and that is your prerogative, but i can not take anyone seriously who is so judgmentally dismissive across the board.
and not surprisingly you seem prejudicial against my opinion by assuming, incorrectly i might add, that i have had no exposure to anything drug related. you are so intent on jumping on your high horse and parading your holier than thou attitude, that it seems never to have occurred to you during my life i have come into contact with addicts. yet still you have managed to paint them as losers and trash and filth.
however, in making your myopic judgements do not for one second think that i condone the drug trafficking and pushing trade. i can at least see trafficking/pushing and addiction as two separate things, requiring separate strategies to resolve what are seen as the problems.
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The constitution can be amended...it has and will continue to be.
Oh yeah it's being amended all right....good ol patriot acts.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.
Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.
Just like abortion I bet. The white house will be in flames long before then.
Why is alcohol still legal then?
The war on drugs is sham employed on the public by liars and criminals interested in running privatized jails to pad pockets.
I think you're in the govt's hip pocket far too deep. I bet you voted twice for George and still think he's #1. Just a hard working good guy that nobody really understands?
I've met a few people that think that way before.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?
Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.
The majority of those "horrors" you speak of are caused by prohibition and the black market created by it, not the drugs themselves.
Pardon me for interupting but the government is not the one we should all be worried about here. It's the insurance agency. Say a monitoring system is put in place some time in the future. If, for example, it only monitors a town's waste as a whole (one monitoring site) then an insurance company could conceivably gain access to the results and adjust premiums accordingly for everyone in that town. Although it would probably never happen, if monitoring was done on a house by house basis then the insurance company could potentially deny claims, increase premiums substantially or drop you altogether based on the results. I believe all insurance companies would want to see the information available. Car insurance, home owners, life, medical, any company whose bottom line depends on your well being.
I am a firm believer based on statistics of violent crimes and deaths committed or caused by drug users vs. violence and deaths related to the drug war that this "war on drugs" has caused way more harm to the people of this world than all of the drugs put together could have. Just because there are sheeple out there like Juberoo that believe this whole "drugs are bad" propoganda doesn't mean that the majority of Americans feel this way. Start writing politicians on a regular basis, show political parties a way to win your vote.....................let them know that not everyone is buying into this "drugs are bad" ideology that was created by the ignorant and the believed by the fools. Start asking yourself which drugs are harmful and which drugs are worth killing mass numbers of people to eradicate, and how much you're having to pay in taxes to combat this rediculous "evil". And if your are completely cool with your tax dollars paying for people to sift around through your piss and shit, then get a fucking clue, weirdo.
if you're sad about the loss of privacy of your poops and peeps, you can have mine. i don't give a shit about it. pardon the pun.
Maybe we're all just like guinea pigs on a treadmill...dancing like slaves for some rich bastards. what a great life that is....so great.
I perhaps look down a longer road.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.
This is entirely true but I've yet to see you push for the abolishing of publicly funded healthcare in Canada, or doing away publicly funded with social saftey nets. You have a belief that the rights you cede to the government are the right rights to cede but anyone wanting to cede other rights is wrong. There's no logic to it, it's all about me.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
since I am an anti-drug proponent, I think this would be a great invention.
ok Toby.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
absolutely you have every right to share your opinion. just as i have every right to disagree with you as vehemently as i see fit.
you are dismissive of drug takers as being trash. that's what i was addressing.
and now you describe them as filth. not to mention scum. again this is what i am objecting to. this is what you sincerely must adjust your mindset on. i know you won't and that is your prerogative, but i can not take anyone seriously who is so judgmentally dismissive across the board.
and not surprisingly you seem prejudicial against my opinion by assuming, incorrectly i might add, that i have had no exposure to anything drug related. you are so intent on jumping on your high horse and parading your holier than thou attitude, that it seems never to have occurred to you during my life i have come into contact with addicts. yet still you have managed to paint them as losers and trash and filth.
however, in making your myopic judgements do not for one second think that i condone the drug trafficking and pushing trade. i can at least see trafficking/pushing and addiction as two separate things, requiring separate strategies to resolve what are seen as the problems.
You claim not to support drug trafficking, yet you support drug use? How could one exist without the other. DUH!
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Just like abortion I bet. The white house will be in flames long before then.
Why is alcohol still legal then?
The war on drugs is sham employed on the public by liars and criminals interested in running privatized jails to pad pockets.
I think you're in the govt's hip pocket far too deep. I bet you voted twice for George and still think he's #1. Just a hard working good guy that nobody really understands?
I've met a few people that think that way before.
Actually no..wrong again. I didnt not vote for Bush..I think he is as ignorant as many of hte posters here.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pardon me for interupting but the government is not the one we should all be worried about here. It's the insurance agency. Say a monitoring system is put in place some time in the future. If, for example, it only monitors a town's waste as a whole (one monitoring site) then an insurance company could conceivably gain access to the results and adjust premiums accordingly for everyone in that town. Although it would probably never happen, if monitoring was done on a house by house basis then the insurance company could potentially deny claims, increase premiums substantially or drop you altogether based on the results. I believe all insurance companies would want to see the information available. Car insurance, home owners, life, medical, any company whose bottom line depends on your well being.
Very good point Tenzing. I too am much more leary about Insurance companies who control our access to health care than I am about the government looking at my excrement.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
these samples that they take even test for mudane drugs such as caffeine and aspirin...oh my GAWD, i just drank a soda pop with caffeine in it...they better come and lock my filthy self away and throw away the keys :rolleyes:
for example alcohol and oxycotin are a legal drugs and anyone would agree that they can be dangerous, even deadly when used in excess. yet pot is illegal and has never killed anyone, no matter how much is smoked....maybe if the drug laws in this country made any fucking sense you might have a point but they don't so you make no fucking sense by trying to defend them
Which is exactly why this hype and propaganda against this very basic and study in its infancy isn't a big deal. So they are testing HUGE, yet annonymous waste water for various substances. So what. It is science doing what science does. Study. Evaluate. Learn. Saying they are going to put monitoring devices on your home is paranoia at its finest.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
It's time to knock off the personal comments on each other. Just debate the issues.
That sticky about dropping bombs on each other at the top of the page is not invisible.
See the Posting Guidelines for a reminder of your agreement with us. Remember, if your account is closes, it was your own personal choice for that to happen. I know that you're all too intelligent to go down that path.
I am a firm believer based on statistics of violent crimes and deaths committed or caused by drug users vs. violence and deaths related to the drug war that this "war on drugs" has caused way more harm to the people of this world than all of the drugs put together could have. Just because there are sheeple out there like Juberoo that believe this whole "drugs are bad" propoganda doesn't mean that the majority of Americans feel this way. Start writing politicians on a regular basis, show political parties a way to win your vote.....................let them know that not everyone is buying into this "drugs are bad" ideology that was created by the ignorant and the believed by the fools. Start asking yourself which drugs are harmful and which drugs are worth killing mass numbers of people to eradicate, and how much you're having to pay in taxes to combat this rediculous "evil". And if your are completely cool with your tax dollars paying for people to sift around through your piss and shit, then get a fucking clue, weirdo.
See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products. Do you think the drug lords give a flying fuck about their workers? Do you think they care about the children they are helping to get raped because someone else was high and felt entitled? Do you think they care that wasted Joe Shmoe out there killed an elderly couple because he couldn't operate his vehicle correctly? Do you think they care that there are families torn apart by poverty because the junkie mom or dad spends all their money for the next hit? Do you think they care that children are going homeless and hungry and living in crack houses becuase their parents only care about their freedom to indulge?
The argument that some people only use drugs recreationally is ignorant beyond belief. Cate if you had any idea what life like that was like you would shut your yap. How bout you come down to work with me and see first hand a child who has AIDS because their mom was whoring herself out for heroin. Or come sit with a man going through detox because his whole life has been ruined due to his drug habit that started one night years ago in his teens as a "good time". Oh and then you can go assist with a few hundred abortions because these addicted women get pregnant time and again from not having the sense and mental faculty to remember to use birth control due to being so obliterated on meth. Better yet, lets go take a visit to rehab and you can change diapers on some young adults who destroyd their bodies from casual drug use. Then again, you could help embalm the teenage girl who died from ONE ex pill that caused her body to so overheat that she literally boiled internally. But best of all, why not hand over your paycheck to help out the addicts because someone has to support them. Why not you who thinks drugs are harmless.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products. Do you think the drug lords give a flying fuck about their workers? Do you think they care about the children they are helping to get raped because someone else was high and felt entitled? Do you think they care that wasted Joe Shmoe out there killed an elderly couple because he couldn't operate his vehicle correctly? Do you think they care that there are families torn apart by poverty because the junkie mom or dad spends all their money for the next hit? Do you think they care that children are going homeless and hungry and living in crack houses becuase their parents only care about their freedom to indulge?
The argument that some people only use drugs recreationally is ignorant beyond belief. Cate if you had any idea what life like that was like you would shut your yap. How bout you come down to work with me and see first hand a child who has AIDS because their mom was whoring herself out for heroin. Or come sit with a man going through detox because his whole life has been ruined due to his drug habit that started one night years ago in his teens as a "good time". Oh and then you can go assist with a few hundred abortions because these addicted women get pregnant time and again from not having the sense and mental faculty to remember to use birth control due to being so obliterated on meth. Better yet, lets go take a visit to rehab and you can change diapers on some young adults who destroyd their bodies from casual drug use. Then again, you could help embalm the teenage girl who died from ONE ex pill that caused her body to so overheat that she literally boiled internally. But best of all, why not hand over your paycheck to help out the addicts because someone has to support them. Why not you who thinks drugs are harmless.
Your argument has obviously become over biased and you are blinded by your own experiences. Shall I proclaim null and viod? When did I say that drugs are harmless? I have sit with many men going through detox and rehab, which is mainly what has brought me to such conclusions. I have seen every side of the spectrum through my line of work over the past few years..............................and if you have as well, it troubles me that you don't mention how these people never seek help for fear of being thrown in jail, or how it has become so hard to get drugs into this country that Mexico plants them in slaves while offering human sacrifices to their fucked up "Saints" in hopes of a safe drug run...............Those are all things that the drug war has caused, not helped. Did I forget that you would probably have to embalm way less teenage girls if better means of obtaining safer recreational drugs were available? I never said that drugs are harmless, but they are not near as harmful as this so called "war on drugs". The argument that some people do not just use some "drugs" recreationally is way more ignorant than the one you pose....................but then again, null and void.
Edit: Teenage girls should never do any drugs, legal or not. Things happen to people based on their bad choices every day, whether it be a skydiver, hunter, teenage girl, or a normal joe..............at least it's their fucking choice. Teaching people to make better choices would be money much better spent than a stupid "War on drugs"...
See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products. Do you think the drug lords give a flying fuck about their workers? Do you think they care about the children they are helping to get raped because someone else was high and felt entitled? Do you think they care that wasted Joe Shmoe out there killed an elderly couple because he couldn't operate his vehicle correctly? Do you think they care that there are families torn apart by poverty because the junkie mom or dad spends all their money for the next hit? Do you think they care that children are going homeless and hungry and living in crack houses becuase their parents only care about their freedom to indulge?
The argument that some people only use drugs recreationally is ignorant beyond belief. Cate if you had any idea what life like that was like you would shut your yap. How bout you come down to work with me and see first hand a child who has AIDS because their mom was whoring herself out for heroin. Or come sit with a man going through detox because his whole life has been ruined due to his drug habit that started one night years ago in his teens as a "good time". Oh and then you can go assist with a few hundred abortions because these addicted women get pregnant time and again from not having the sense and mental faculty to remember to use birth control due to being so obliterated on meth. Better yet, lets go take a visit to rehab and you can change diapers on some young adults who destroyd their bodies from casual drug use. Then again, you could help embalm the teenage girl who died from ONE ex pill that caused her body to so overheat that she literally boiled internally. But best of all, why not hand over your paycheck to help out the addicts because someone has to support them. Why not you who thinks drugs are harmless.
Your little detox facility isn't the whole world.
Your insistance that this picture you portray is strictly at the the "hands" of drugs is entirely ignorant. You have to first educate yourself as to why some people are more prone addiction than others. You have to ask yourself why most people aren't addicts. You have to ask yourself why you are addicted to the notion that cause and effect is limited to substance abuse.
See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products..
So I assume that you also don't wear Nikes, or shop at the Gap or Walmart, right? If you are truly concerned about the kids who are working in the drug dens instead of your own agenda, then I hope that you wouldn't support the other brands that I have mentioned.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Which is exactly why this hype and propaganda against this very basic and study in its infancy isn't a big deal. So they are testing HUGE, yet annonymous waste water for various substances. So what. It is science doing what science does. Study. Evaluate. Learn. Saying they are going to put monitoring devices on your home is paranoia at its finest.
what's to keep the government from narrowing down their searches for illegial substances to neighborhoods and even so far as individual houses? hell under the Patriot Act law enforement doesn't even need a warrant or even any cause to search your home or vehicle, so it's hardly paranoia. they only seek the warrant after they're ALREADY SEARCHED your stuff, and they're doing it more and more in drug cases. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/04/05/government_nearly_doubles_use_of_patriot_act_search_power/
how many miles are you willing to give up when you give the government an inch into your private business?
See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products. Do you think the drug lords give a flying fuck about their workers? Do you think they care about the children they are helping to get raped because someone else was high and felt entitled? Do you think they care that wasted Joe Shmoe out there killed an elderly couple because he couldn't operate his vehicle correctly? Do you think they care that there are families torn apart by poverty because the junkie mom or dad spends all their money for the next hit? Do you think they care that children are going homeless and hungry and living in crack houses becuase their parents only care about their freedom to indulge?
The argument that some people only use drugs recreationally is ignorant beyond belief. Cate if you had any idea what life like that was like you would shut your yap. How bout you come down to work with me and see first hand a child who has AIDS because their mom was whoring herself out for heroin. Or come sit with a man going through detox because his whole life has been ruined due to his drug habit that started one night years ago in his teens as a "good time". Oh and then you can go assist with a few hundred abortions because these addicted women get pregnant time and again from not having the sense and mental faculty to remember to use birth control due to being so obliterated on meth. Better yet, lets go take a visit to rehab and you can change diapers on some young adults who destroyd their bodies from casual drug use. Then again, you could help embalm the teenage girl who died from ONE ex pill that caused her body to so overheat that she literally boiled internally. But best of all, why not hand over your paycheck to help out the addicts because someone has to support them. Why not you who thinks drugs are harmless.
Your view is so ignorant it is scary.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned is a product of the "ILLEGAL" status of drugs in america.
If drugs were legal, they would be manufactured here, and cheaply. No "slaves" would work in your self described horrid conditions. People would feel free to seek help and not fear being jailed for their "crime". Not to mention the tax revenue (or the outright sale revenue if sales were all government controlled) would go to "harm reduction" programs, and care for addicts would improve so greatly as to make the things you describe far less frequent.
Yes, i think we can all agree that abuse of certain drugs can be severly debilitating and oh so sad ... but that doesn't trump the fundamental truth that we are constitutionaly protected in our god given rights to engage in any activit we so se fit, so long as we do not infringe on the rights of another.
If someone were to commit any of the above crimes you suggested because they were on drugs, then they should be treated as criminals for those crimes. But the use of drugs in and of themselves should not be.
And your inability to distinguish between someone who uses drugs for recreation, and someone who fundamentaly has no self-control is unfortunate.
i have never been addicted to ANY substance, and i have dabbled in most all of them. We do not live in a democracy, you can not take away my rights because the majority of people are too stupid to exercise those rights with proper care. We live in a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority are supposed to be protected from abuse\repression by those too dumb to figure out how to live there own damn life happily and wish to transfer that self-blame on to others.
You may want to read up on our legal system or get some quotes from people who knew what they were talking about:
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."
~ Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States
"We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."
~ Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington, author of the Federalist Papers
AND MY FAVORITE: “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” - Benjamin Franklin
Again,
think about the real problem.
The real problem is PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO SELF-CONTROL, NOT DRUGS!
And the "war on drugs" has made that harm far more extreme by causing mothers to whore themselves for the overpriced drugs, and addicts to rob and kill for that money.
But that is not the concern of a constiutional republic.
you are free to do what you want with your life.
Government should not be there to try and make that choice for you.
But if they want to TAX that choice and use those funds for the good of those users, that is great!
But keep your opinions out of my life!
The comment that the constitution has and can be ammended is also pure ignorance ... go research how ammendments to the constitution started ...
the first 10 all came the same day, they were are Bill Of Rights, and even those were STRONGLY CONTESTED ... it was actualy argued by the Federalists themselves that a list of rights could be interpreted by future americans as the ONLY rights possessed, and therefore it was dangerous to start ammending the constitution. They believed that the constitution TOOK AWAY NO RIGHTS and therefore need not be ammended to include anyrights.
The anti-federalists, unfortunately did themselves a disservice by arguing that "half a loaf was better than no bread" and let us secure what rights we can.
And if you actually READ the constitution and its ammendments you would see that NOT ONE AMMENDMENT TAKES AWAY ANY RIGHT THERE IN PERSCRIBED.
Alot of those ammendments give others rights: Women, slaves, 18 year olds & DC residents allowed to vote, state citizens the right to directly elect senators instead of the legislature
A lot more of them just deal with proceedural matters: redefining how presidential succession works, updating the workings of the congressional schedule, electoral college rules etc.
Again. NOT ONE AMMENDMENT EVER TOOK AWAY ANY RIGHT OF YOURS.
(unfortunately, save for the 18th which made drinking illegal. And that was repealed by the 21st)
SO AS IT STANDS.
THE AMMENDMENTS TAKE AWAY NO RIGHTS!
Why should the government be allowed to take away a right to do drugs .. particulary without the ammendment you described,
which by its definition would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BTW.
You can not propose an ammendment that violates the constitution.
IF YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT DRUGS ARE THAT BAD,
put your money where your mouth is and move to Singapore, or China or some place where they kill drug users.
I'm sure you will find society much more agreeable to you there.
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This is entirely true but I've yet to see you push for the abolishing of publicly funded healthcare in Canada, or doing away publicly funded with social saftey nets. You have a belief that the rights you cede to the government are the right rights to cede but anyone wanting to cede other rights is wrong. There's no logic to it, it's all about me.
I'm not an Anarchist if that's what you mean...there's a lot of fat to trim before you get the basics like fire, police, and health. A whole lot...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and your radio station sucks...too bad your're trapped in it....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So I assume that you also don't wear Nikes, or shop at the Gap or Walmart, right? If you are truly concerned about the kids who are working in the drug dens instead of your own agenda, then I hope that you wouldn't support the other brands that I have mentioned.
Jesus wears Nike's...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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That some don't is no reason to try to ban them from existence, particularly when there is no way to do so.
absolutely you have every right to share your opinion. just as i have every right to disagree with you as vehemently as i see fit.
you are dismissive of drug takers as being trash. that's what i was addressing.
and now you describe them as filth. not to mention scum. again this is what i am objecting to. this is what you sincerely must adjust your mindset on. i know you won't and that is your prerogative, but i can not take anyone seriously who is so judgmentally dismissive across the board.
and not surprisingly you seem prejudicial against my opinion by assuming, incorrectly i might add, that i have had no exposure to anything drug related. you are so intent on jumping on your high horse and parading your holier than thou attitude, that it seems never to have occurred to you during my life i have come into contact with addicts. yet still you have managed to paint them as losers and trash and filth.
however, in making your myopic judgements do not for one second think that i condone the drug trafficking and pushing trade. i can at least see trafficking/pushing and addiction as two separate things, requiring separate strategies to resolve what are seen as the problems.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Oh yeah it's being amended all right....good ol patriot acts.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Just like abortion I bet. The white house will be in flames long before then.
Why is alcohol still legal then?
The war on drugs is sham employed on the public by liars and criminals interested in running privatized jails to pad pockets.
I think you're in the govt's hip pocket far too deep. I bet you voted twice for George and still think he's #1. Just a hard working good guy that nobody really understands?
I've met a few people that think that way before.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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if you're sad about the loss of privacy of your poops and peeps, you can have mine. i don't give a shit about it. pardon the pun.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Maybe we're all just like guinea pigs on a treadmill...dancing like slaves for some rich bastards. what a great life that is....so great.
I perhaps look down a longer road.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
ok Toby.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
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A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
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You call drug users filth, scum and trash. Would that include people who drink alcohol, which is a hard drug?
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See what you who support drug use don't get is that behind your little cloud of joy are people being maimed tortured and living horrific lives to produce and transport these products. Do you think the drug lords give a flying fuck about their workers? Do you think they care about the children they are helping to get raped because someone else was high and felt entitled? Do you think they care that wasted Joe Shmoe out there killed an elderly couple because he couldn't operate his vehicle correctly? Do you think they care that there are families torn apart by poverty because the junkie mom or dad spends all their money for the next hit? Do you think they care that children are going homeless and hungry and living in crack houses becuase their parents only care about their freedom to indulge?
The argument that some people only use drugs recreationally is ignorant beyond belief. Cate if you had any idea what life like that was like you would shut your yap. How bout you come down to work with me and see first hand a child who has AIDS because their mom was whoring herself out for heroin. Or come sit with a man going through detox because his whole life has been ruined due to his drug habit that started one night years ago in his teens as a "good time". Oh and then you can go assist with a few hundred abortions because these addicted women get pregnant time and again from not having the sense and mental faculty to remember to use birth control due to being so obliterated on meth. Better yet, lets go take a visit to rehab and you can change diapers on some young adults who destroyd their bodies from casual drug use. Then again, you could help embalm the teenage girl who died from ONE ex pill that caused her body to so overheat that she literally boiled internally. But best of all, why not hand over your paycheck to help out the addicts because someone has to support them. Why not you who thinks drugs are harmless.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Edit: Teenage girls should never do any drugs, legal or not. Things happen to people based on their bad choices every day, whether it be a skydiver, hunter, teenage girl, or a normal joe..............at least it's their fucking choice. Teaching people to make better choices would be money much better spent than a stupid "War on drugs"...
Your little detox facility isn't the whole world.
Your insistance that this picture you portray is strictly at the the "hands" of drugs is entirely ignorant. You have to first educate yourself as to why some people are more prone addiction than others. You have to ask yourself why most people aren't addicts. You have to ask yourself why you are addicted to the notion that cause and effect is limited to substance abuse.
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So I assume that you also don't wear Nikes, or shop at the Gap or Walmart, right? If you are truly concerned about the kids who are working in the drug dens instead of your own agenda, then I hope that you wouldn't support the other brands that I have mentioned.
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what's to keep the government from narrowing down their searches for illegial substances to neighborhoods and even so far as individual houses? hell under the Patriot Act law enforement doesn't even need a warrant or even any cause to search your home or vehicle, so it's hardly paranoia. they only seek the warrant after they're ALREADY SEARCHED your stuff, and they're doing it more and more in drug cases. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/04/05/government_nearly_doubles_use_of_patriot_act_search_power/
how many miles are you willing to give up when you give the government an inch into your private business?
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Your view is so ignorant it is scary.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned is a product of the "ILLEGAL" status of drugs in america.
If drugs were legal, they would be manufactured here, and cheaply. No "slaves" would work in your self described horrid conditions. People would feel free to seek help and not fear being jailed for their "crime". Not to mention the tax revenue (or the outright sale revenue if sales were all government controlled) would go to "harm reduction" programs, and care for addicts would improve so greatly as to make the things you describe far less frequent.
Yes, i think we can all agree that abuse of certain drugs can be severly debilitating and oh so sad ... but that doesn't trump the fundamental truth that we are constitutionaly protected in our god given rights to engage in any activit we so se fit, so long as we do not infringe on the rights of another.
If someone were to commit any of the above crimes you suggested because they were on drugs, then they should be treated as criminals for those crimes. But the use of drugs in and of themselves should not be.
And your inability to distinguish between someone who uses drugs for recreation, and someone who fundamentaly has no self-control is unfortunate.
i have never been addicted to ANY substance, and i have dabbled in most all of them. We do not live in a democracy, you can not take away my rights because the majority of people are too stupid to exercise those rights with proper care. We live in a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority are supposed to be protected from abuse\repression by those too dumb to figure out how to live there own damn life happily and wish to transfer that self-blame on to others.
You may want to read up on our legal system or get some quotes from people who knew what they were talking about:
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."
~ Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States
"We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."
~ Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington, author of the Federalist Papers
AND MY FAVORITE:
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” - Benjamin Franklin
Again,
think about the real problem.
The real problem is PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO SELF-CONTROL, NOT DRUGS!
And the "war on drugs" has made that harm far more extreme by causing mothers to whore themselves for the overpriced drugs, and addicts to rob and kill for that money.
But that is not the concern of a constiutional republic.
you are free to do what you want with your life.
Government should not be there to try and make that choice for you.
But if they want to TAX that choice and use those funds for the good of those users, that is great!
But keep your opinions out of my life!
The comment that the constitution has and can be ammended is also pure ignorance ... go research how ammendments to the constitution started ...
the first 10 all came the same day, they were are Bill Of Rights, and even those were STRONGLY CONTESTED ... it was actualy argued by the Federalists themselves that a list of rights could be interpreted by future americans as the ONLY rights possessed, and therefore it was dangerous to start ammending the constitution. They believed that the constitution TOOK AWAY NO RIGHTS and therefore need not be ammended to include anyrights.
The anti-federalists, unfortunately did themselves a disservice by arguing that "half a loaf was better than no bread" and let us secure what rights we can.
And if you actually READ the constitution and its ammendments you would see that NOT ONE AMMENDMENT TAKES AWAY ANY RIGHT THERE IN PERSCRIBED.
Alot of those ammendments give others rights: Women, slaves, 18 year olds & DC residents allowed to vote, state citizens the right to directly elect senators instead of the legislature
A lot more of them just deal with proceedural matters: redefining how presidential succession works, updating the workings of the congressional schedule, electoral college rules etc.
Again. NOT ONE AMMENDMENT EVER TOOK AWAY ANY RIGHT OF YOURS.
(unfortunately, save for the 18th which made drinking illegal. And that was repealed by the 21st)
SO AS IT STANDS.
THE AMMENDMENTS TAKE AWAY NO RIGHTS!
Why should the government be allowed to take away a right to do drugs .. particulary without the ammendment you described,
which by its definition would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BTW.
You can not propose an ammendment that violates the constitution.
IF YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT DRUGS ARE THAT BAD,
put your money where your mouth is and move to Singapore, or China or some place where they kill drug users.
I'm sure you will find society much more agreeable to you there.
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I'm not an Anarchist if that's what you mean...there's a lot of fat to trim before you get the basics like fire, police, and health. A whole lot...
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and your radio station sucks...too bad your're trapped in it....
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Jesus wears Nike's...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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