Scientists Can Do Drug Testing on Whole Cities

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

I don't care what YOU personally do at all....The government obviously does though. To me youre just one drop in the drug bucket of scum if you engage. What I care about is that the more people who use illegal drugs, the more it is perpetuated. I personally would like to see them completely erraticated, although I am not foolish enough to think that would ever happen. However, the harder it is made for users to get and pushers to distribute, the numbers of kids being exposed drops. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion. If it takes fear of being found out via bodily fluids at the street level...then so be it.

so drugs that can be regulated by the government are okay, but drugs that can't be aren't?

and besides how do they even know what shit came from which house?

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

so drugs that can be regulated by the government are okay, but drugs that can't be aren't?

and besides how do they even know what shit came from which house?

Im sure they would work it all out if this was a course of action actually being taken.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

Im sure they would work it all out if this was a course of action actually being taken.

well the whole thing just sounds so ludicrous. even for the US government.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

I don't care what YOU personally do at all....The government obviously does though. To me youre just one drop in the drug bucket of scum if you engage. What I care about is that the more people who use illegal drugs, the more it is perpetuated. I personally would like to see them completely erraticated, although I am not foolish enough to think that would ever happen. However, the harder it is made for users to get and pushers to distribute, the numbers of kids being exposed drops. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion. If it takes fear of being found out via bodily fluids at the street level...then so be it.

The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.

History proves this to us...again and again.

The war on drugs is a complete failure. I think everyone knows that.

What is this "new" thing going to do but confirm what they already know and setup yet another broken process that further strips down the constitution based on broken ideology, and wastes more money...more societal life wasted in taxpayer dollars.

All the while the most important factors as to the causes of drug abuse are grossly overlooked. Namely education. Education in America is pathetic. Oh, and opium production in Afghanistan is now at all time record levels since the occupation...interesting how that works.

You greatly misjudge the government and their intentions, and abilities .

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.

History proves this to us...again and again.

The war on drugs is a complete failure. I think everyone knows that.

What is this "new" thing going to do but confirm what they already know and setup yet another broken process that further strips down the constitution based on broken ideology, and wastes more money...more societal life wasted in taxpayer dollars.

All the while the most important factors as to the causes of drug abuse are grossly overlooked. Namely education. Education in America is pathetic. Oh, and opium production in Afghanistan is now at all time record levels since the occupation...interesting how that works.

You greatly misjudge the government and their intentions, and abilities .

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you might want to adjust your mindset on that. or not.

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you have to adjust your mindset on that.

no Cate...reread carefully...several times in this discussion I specified "illegal" drug use.

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you might want to adjust your mindset on that. or not.

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

prism

Juberoo wrote:

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

these samples that they take even test for mudane drugs such as caffeine and aspirin...oh my GAWD, i just drank a soda pop with caffeine in it...they better come and lock my filthy self away and throw away the keys :rolleyes:

for example alcohol and oxycotin are a legal drugs and anyone would agree that they can be dangerous, even deadly when used in excess. yet pot is illegal and has never killed anyone, no matter how much is smoked....maybe if the drug laws in this country made any fucking sense you might have a point but they don't so you make no fucking sense by trying to defend them

hippiemom

Juberoo wrote:

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure.

By what standard is it a success? It uses more and more of our money each year, more and more law enforcement man hours, imprisions more and more people, with the net result that drugs are more available than ever. If that's not failure, I don't know what is.

hippiemom

Juberoo wrote:

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

Millions and millions of people use illegal drugs responsibly, just as millions and millions use alcohol responsibly. They don't lose their jobs, or neglect their kids, or blow the family fortune on coke, or any of the other horror stories that we've all seen. They kick back on Saturday night, relax, have a good time, and that's it.

That some don't is no reason to try to ban them from existence, particularly when there is no way to do so.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

absolutely you have every right to share your opinion. just as i have every right to disagree with you as vehemently as i see fit.

you are dismissive of drug takers as being trash. that's what i was addressing.

and now you describe them as filth. not to mention scum. again this is what i am objecting to. this is what you sincerely must adjust your mindset on. i know you won't and that is your prerogative, but i can not take anyone seriously who is so judgmentally dismissive across the board.

and not surprisingly you seem prejudicial against my opinion by assuming, incorrectly i might add, that i have had no exposure to anything drug related. you are so intent on jumping on your high horse and parading your holier than thou attitude, that it seems never to have occurred to you during my life i have come into contact with addicts. yet still you have managed to paint them as losers and trash and filth.
however, in making your myopic judgements do not for one second think that i condone the drug trafficking and pushing trade. i can at least see trafficking/pushing and addiction as two separate things, requiring separate strategies to resolve what are seen as the problems.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

The constitution can be amended...it has and will continue to be.

Oh yeah it's being amended all right....good ol patriot acts.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.

Just like abortion I bet. The white house will be in flames long before then.

Why is alcohol still legal then?

The war on drugs is sham employed on the public by liars and criminals interested in running privatized jails to pad pockets.

I think you're in the govt's hip pocket far too deep. I bet you voted twice for George and still think he's #1. Just a hard working good guy that nobody really understands?

I've met a few people that think that way before.

1970RR

Juberoo wrote:

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

The majority of those "horrors" you speak of are caused by prohibition and the black market created by it, not the drugs themselves.

Tenzing N.

Pardon me for interupting but the government is not the one we should all be worried about here. It's the insurance agency. Say a monitoring system is put in place some time in the future. If, for example, it only monitors a town's waste as a whole (one monitoring site) then an insurance company could conceivably gain access to the results and adjust premiums accordingly for everyone in that town. Although it would probably never happen, if monitoring was done on a house by house basis then the insurance company could potentially deny claims, increase premiums substantially or drop you altogether based on the results. I believe all insurance companies would want to see the information available. Car insurance, home owners, life, medical, any company whose bottom line depends on your well being.

PJPOWER

I am a firm believer based on statistics of violent crimes and deaths committed or caused by drug users vs. violence and deaths related to the drug war that this "war on drugs" has caused way more harm to the people of this world than all of the drugs put together could have. Just because there are sheeple out there like Juberoo that believe this whole "drugs are bad" propoganda doesn't mean that the majority of Americans feel this way. Start writing politicians on a regular basis, show political parties a way to win your vote.....................let them know that not everyone is buying into this "drugs are bad" ideology that was created by the ignorant and the believed by the fools. Start asking yourself which drugs are harmful and which drugs are worth killing mass numbers of people to eradicate, and how much you're having to pay in taxes to combat this rediculous "evil". And if your are completely cool with your tax dollars paying for people to sift around through your piss and shit, then get a fucking clue, weirdo.

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You don't think I'm entitled to the privacy of my own excrement and urine?

if you're sad about the loss of privacy of your poops and peeps, you can have mine. i don't give a shit about it. pardon the pun.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

if you're sad about the loss of privacy of your poops and peeps, you can have mine. i don't give a shit about it. pardon the pun.

Maybe we're all just like guinea pigs on a treadmill...dancing like slaves for some rich bastards. what a great life that is....so great.

I perhaps look down a longer road.

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.

This is entirely true but I've yet to see you push for the abolishing of publicly funded healthcare in Canada, or doing away publicly funded with social saftey nets. You have a belief that the rights you cede to the government are the right rights to cede but anyone wanting to cede other rights is wrong. There's no logic to it, it's all about me.