Scientists Can Do Drug Testing on Whole Cities

RolandTD20Kdrummer

The govt...one step away from literally crawling up our asses...

"Wastewater facilities are wonderful places to understand what humans consume and excrete," Field said.

In the study presented Tuesday, one teaspoon of untreated sewage water from each of the cities was tested for 15 different drugs. Field said researchers can't calculate how many people in a town are using drugs.

She said that one fairly affluent community scored low for illicit drugs except for cocaine. Cocaine and ecstasy tended to peak on weekends and drop on weekdays, she said, while methamphetamine and prescription drugs were steady throughout the week."

http://cannabisnews.com/news/23/thread23276.shtml

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The govt...one step away from literally crawling up our asses...

"Wastewater facilities are wonderful places to understand what humans consume and excrete," Field said.

In the study presented Tuesday, one teaspoon of untreated sewage water from each of the cities was tested for 15 different drugs. Field said researchers can't calculate how many people in a town are using drugs.

She said that one fairly affluent community scored low for illicit drugs except for cocaine. Cocaine and ecstasy tended to peak on weekends and drop on weekdays, she said, while methamphetamine and prescription drugs were steady throughout the week."

http://cannabisnews.com/news/23/thread23276.shtml

definitely NOT a job I would want to have

DriftingByTheStorm

i can see where this could be going ...

.. just like cops can look through your trash on the curb, because anything you throw away becomes public domain ...

... the government could install small (possibly undetectable) drug sensors on the pipes exiting your house ... installed at the point where they leave your residence, but before they meet up with the sewer system at large ...

... hey, since you are "throwing it away" it is public domain, right?

... guess we will all have no choice but to take ourselves off the "waste grid" and install greywater systems ...

maybe that is why they don't want you using grey water!

lol.

Juberoo

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i can see where this could be going ...

.. just like cops can look through your trash on the curb, because anything you throw away becomes public domain ...

... the government could install small (possibly undetectable) drug sensors on the pipes exiting your house ... installed at the point where they leave your residence, but before they meet up with the sewer system at large ...

... hey, since you are "throwing it away" it is public domain, right?

... guess we will all have no choice but to take ourselves off the "waste grid" and install greywater systems ...

maybe that is why they don't want you using grey water!

lol.

here we go with the paranoia again.......

since I am an anti-drug proponent, I think this would be a great invention.

DriftingByTheStorm

Juberoo wrote:

since I am an anti-drug proponent, I think this would be a great invention.

Thanks for stepping right out and announcing to the forum that you denounce the US Constitution.

It makes it easier to disregard your skepticism seeing as how you seem to believe that the Federal Government not only has the authority to violate my natural born & constitutionaly protected right to pursue happiness in whatever manner i see fit , but the despotic wisdom to decide for me what actions are in my own best interest.

They needed an ammendment to take alcohol away, and that got repealed as unconstitutional ... remember?

You tread down a slippery slope towards the Sea of Repression when you give up your rights ... you seem to give them up so gleefuly that you aren't even content unless someone is guiding you down that slope with a Luger to your back shouting "Schnell! Schnell"!

Juberoo

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Thanks for stepping right out and announcing to the forum that you denounce the US Constitution.

It makes it easier to disregard your skepticism seeing as how you seem to believe that the Federal Government not only has the authority to violate my natural born & constitutionaly protected right to pursue happiness in whatever manner i see fit , but the despotic wisdom to decide for me what actions are in my own best interest.

They needed an ammendment to take alcohol away, and that got repealed as unconstitutional ... remember?

You tread down a slippery slope towards the Sea of Repression when you give up your rights ... you seem to give them up so gleefuly that you aren't even content unless someone is guiding you down that slope with a Luger to your back shouting "Schnell! Schnell"!

Oh yes...its all a conspiracy to deny you happiness.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

here we go with the paranoia again.......

since I am an anti-drug proponent, I think this would be a great invention.

You're scary with all the let "the government wipe my ass for me so there should be a program for it... I hope they spend more money on it...so I can be safe"

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i can see where this could be going ...

.. just like cops can look through your trash on the curb, because anything you throw away becomes public domain ...

... the government could install small (possibly undetectable) drug sensors on the pipes exiting your house ... installed at the point where they leave your residence, but before they meet up with the sewer system at large ...

... hey, since you are "throwing it away" it is public domain, right?

... guess we will all have no choice but to take ourselves off the "waste grid" and install greywater systems ...

maybe that is why they don't want you using grey water!

lol.

Well they do test neighborhoods and are able to monitor essentially anything that goes through your body. Viagra. prozac etc. These communities can then be targeted and exploited accordingly.

It is devious, and underhanded in nature.

I should also add that it closes the loop. They do regularly add stuff to the water supply. Now a closed loop analysis can be conducted to whatever is desired. Somewhat of a guinea pig approach. In the wrong hands. Well you see...the framework is being established for a monitoring process (yet another!). That is the problem. Why it's being established is the problem.

I can't wait for someone here *cough* to try to justify it, out of sheer mental retardation. hehe I need a good pathetic laugh

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You're scary with all the let "the government wipe my ass for me so there should be a program for it... I hope they spend more money on it...so I can be safe"

and Roland if you think it is so unconstitutional, I hope that tomorrow morning you and Drifting do you civic duty and march right down to your legislators office to protest!

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

here we go with the paranoia again.......

since I am an anti-drug proponent, I think this would be a great invention.

and by anti drug you mean....?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

and Roland if you think it is so unconstitutional, I hope that tomorrow morning you and Drifting do you civic duty and march right down to your legislators office to protest!

You don't think I'm entitled to the privacy of my own excrement and urine?

interesting...well you're flat off your rocker then

Don't you think that's just a tad demented that some freak is analyzing this for the govt and getting paid for it?

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You don't think I'm entitled to the privacy of my own excrement and urine?

interesting...well you're flat off your rocker then

Don't you think that's just a tad demented that some freak is analyzing this for the govt and getting paid for it?

nope

what I think is demented is watching videos of murder,rape etc. and calling it entertainment

like several of your friends pointed out on another thread, we should get to know ALL the aspects of society and human nature....what an ingenious way they have discovered to do this

if you aren't engaging in illegal drug use, what do you care?

DriftingByTheStorm

catefrances wrote:

and by anti drug you mean....?

One who denounces the prescriptions given, and chooses to believe "it's not an imbalance".

DriftingByTheStorm

Juberoo wrote:

if you aren't engaging in illegal drug use, what do you care?

Why do you care if i am, and of what concern is it to my government?

I hold a steady job and and i don't try to kill or rape anyone.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

nope

what I think is demented is watching videos of murder,rape etc. and calling it entertainment

like several of your friends pointed out on another thread, we should get to know ALL the aspects of society and human nature....what an ingenious way they have discovered to do this

if you aren't engaging in illegal drug use, what do you care?

I think you're quite possibly in another dimension then...or just saying it on purpose to be argumentative.

You represent such a small percentage of public opinion that it's actually suspicious.....as in literally unbelievable.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Why do you care if i am, and of what concern is it to my government?

I hold a steady job and and i don't try to kill or rape anyone.

It's imposing beliefs on others based on what you think they should do, because of what you believe. It's a broken ideology. It's predominantly observed, and upheld, by religious groups.

That mentality is a big part of the problem worldwide. Lot's of people dying in Iraq and Israel over that exact thing.

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I think you're quite possibly in another dimension then...or just saying it on purpose to be argumentative.

You represent such a small percentage of public opinion that it's actually suspicious.....as in literally unbelievable.

So wait....a non conformist is going to accuse me of being suspicious because I have the audacity to think differently than the masses of public opinion? Talk about hypocritical!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

So wait....a non conformist is going to accuse me of being suspicious because I have the audacity to think differently than the masses of public opinion? Talk about hypocritical!

look at the topic... try to stay within context.

Let's use the constitution as a baseline...how's that?

Juberoo

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Why do you care if i am, and of what concern is it to my government?

I hold a steady job and and i don't try to kill or rape anyone.

I don't care what YOU personally do at all....The government obviously does though. To me youre just one drop in the drug bucket of scum if you engage. What I care about is that the more people who use illegal drugs, the more it is perpetuated. I personally would like to see them completely erraticated, although I am not foolish enough to think that would ever happen. However, the harder it is made for users to get and pushers to distribute, the numbers of kids being exposed drops. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion. If it takes fear of being found out via bodily fluids at the street level...then so be it.

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

look at the topic... try to stay within context.

Let's use the constitution as a baseline...how's that?

then make your point without being accusatory

Juberoo

The constitution can be amended...it has and will continue to be.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

I don't care what YOU personally do at all....The government obviously does though. To me youre just one drop in the drug bucket of scum if you engage. What I care about is that the more people who use illegal drugs, the more it is perpetuated. I personally would like to see them completely erraticated, although I am not foolish enough to think that would ever happen. However, the harder it is made for users to get and pushers to distribute, the numbers of kids being exposed drops. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion. If it takes fear of being found out via bodily fluids at the street level...then so be it.

so drugs that can be regulated by the government are okay, but drugs that can't be aren't?

and besides how do they even know what shit came from which house?

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

so drugs that can be regulated by the government are okay, but drugs that can't be aren't?

and besides how do they even know what shit came from which house?

Im sure they would work it all out if this was a course of action actually being taken.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

Im sure they would work it all out if this was a course of action actually being taken.

well the whole thing just sounds so ludicrous. even for the US government.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

I don't care what YOU personally do at all....The government obviously does though. To me youre just one drop in the drug bucket of scum if you engage. What I care about is that the more people who use illegal drugs, the more it is perpetuated. I personally would like to see them completely erraticated, although I am not foolish enough to think that would ever happen. However, the harder it is made for users to get and pushers to distribute, the numbers of kids being exposed drops. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion. If it takes fear of being found out via bodily fluids at the street level...then so be it.

The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.

History proves this to us...again and again.

The war on drugs is a complete failure. I think everyone knows that.

What is this "new" thing going to do but confirm what they already know and setup yet another broken process that further strips down the constitution based on broken ideology, and wastes more money...more societal life wasted in taxpayer dollars.

All the while the most important factors as to the causes of drug abuse are grossly overlooked. Namely education. Education in America is pathetic. Oh, and opium production in Afghanistan is now at all time record levels since the occupation...interesting how that works.

You greatly misjudge the government and their intentions, and abilities .

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The more you give away to govt...the more you lose in personal rights. It's a double edged sword alway,s and without exception.

History proves this to us...again and again.

The war on drugs is a complete failure. I think everyone knows that.

What is this "new" thing going to do but confirm what they already know and setup yet another broken process that further strips down the constitution based on broken ideology, and wastes more money...more societal life wasted in taxpayer dollars.

All the while the most important factors as to the causes of drug abuse are grossly overlooked. Namely education. Education in America is pathetic. Oh, and opium production in Afghanistan is now at all time record levels since the occupation...interesting how that works.

You greatly misjudge the government and their intentions, and abilities .

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure. The causes of drug use are not 'education' it begins in the home...which is where society is breaking down the quickest...thus leading to the increase in societal ills.
Drug education is the best it has ever been in the the public sector. But unless it is reinforced at home, it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Maybe you don't realize this, but todays current drunk driving laws took decades to come into existance. Prior to the 1930s/post prohibition....it wasn't illegal to drink and drive. And you can bet your butt that alcohol proponents faught it's inception tooth and nail. It also wasn't until the 1980's that DUI was a public issue and really started to crack down on the punishments for it. Today though, look at how strong those laws are. There is not reason to think the war on drugs will be any different. It might take a little more time, but the trash will be taken out.

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you might want to adjust your mindset on that. or not.

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you have to adjust your mindset on that.

no Cate...reread carefully...several times in this discussion I specified "illegal" drug use.

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

can you see how judgmental you are? you label both users and pushers as trash. just because one takes drugs, both legal and illegal, that doesn't make them trash. you might want to adjust your mindset on that. or not.

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

prism

Juberoo wrote:

and another thing...why do I have to ajust my mindset on the matter? Why is it YOUR condoning of the lifestyle is the only right way to think?

Drug use and drug distribution does nothing for the betterment of society. If you took the time to look outside of your soap box of independence, you might be able to see the horrors that drugs play in the life of so many innocents. Not to mention the users themselves. Addiction, disease, rape, violence......nothing good comes from drugs. It and its people are filth. That is my opinion based on fact and I ahve as much right to speak against it as you do to speak against the government.

these samples that they take even test for mudane drugs such as caffeine and aspirin...oh my GAWD, i just drank a soda pop with caffeine in it...they better come and lock my filthy self away and throw away the keys :rolleyes:

for example alcohol and oxycotin are a legal drugs and anyone would agree that they can be dangerous, even deadly when used in excess. yet pot is illegal and has never killed anyone, no matter how much is smoked....maybe if the drug laws in this country made any fucking sense you might have a point but they don't so you make no fucking sense by trying to defend them

hippiemom

Juberoo wrote:

First of all the war on drugs is not a failure.

By what standard is it a success? It uses more and more of our money each year, more and more law enforcement man hours, imprisions more and more people, with the net result that drugs are more available than ever. If that's not failure, I don't know what is.