O'Reilly Meets His 16-Year-Old Match:

Bu2

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/06/pinhead-16yearold-schools-oreilly.php

Bill O'Reilly is in his element when it comes to badgering the children of 9/11 victims, accusing kidnapping victims of enjoying their captivity, and anything involving loofahs or falafels. But put him in front of an affable and articulate 16-year-old, and he turns to mush.

Last week, O'Reilly imploded during an interview with Jesse Lange, a rising junior at Boulder High School in Colorado (video above). He was on the program to address O'Reilly's criticism of the Boulder High sex-education program. Lange tells Radar that he knew he was brought on for an opposing view, but his main concern before the show was how to address O'Reilly. "I wasn't sure whether or not I should call him Bill or Mr. O'Reilly," Lange tells Radar. "In the end, I decided to call him Bill, because if I called him Mr. O'Reilly, it would imply that I viewed him as some sort of expert or authority figure." Lange also says that in a brief pre-show interview, O'Reilly asked him not to quote the incendiary parts from The O'Reilly Factor For Kids. "Bill expressly asked me not to talk about it on the air," he says, but the book was the perfect counterpoint to O'Reilly's thinly constructed premise.

When Lange did quote from the book, the hotheaded host got so defensive that he labeled Lange a "pinhead" and cut him off when he tried to read the kiddie propaganda book's inflammatory passages. (Fox even took it upon themselves to remove O'Reilly's "pinhead" remark from subsequent airings of the segment.)

As for what it's like being the kid who put a hurting on Bill O'Reilly, Lange says he is getting "a couple hundred Facebook requests a day" and letters from college professors, "just asking me to consider their schools when I apply to college." (He's also single, ladies.) As for any fallout with O'Reilly, Lange says Bill isn't so tough when he's not on the air, "He didn't say anything to me when the segment ended ... he just had his producers cut off my feed."

By Ray Gustini 06/25/07 10:50 AM
File Under: Bill O'Reilly, Jesse Lange

bayleaf

Bill O'reilly is an asshole....and there is nothing more to it than that.

down_ski

Imploded?

And it wasn't a "Sex-Education" program. It was a school assembly that in many peoples opinions would be "inappropriate" for kids under the age of 18. Research what they are talking about before you just copy/paste off some crazy site.

Bu2

down_ski wrote:

Imploded?

And it wasn't a "Sex-Education" program. It was a school assembly that in many peoples opinions would be "inappropriate" for kids under the age of 18. Research what they are talking about before you just copy/paste off some crazy site.

the topic didn't even interest me.

It was the way this kid handled the debate, from start to finish.

Abookamongstthemany

down_ski wrote:

Imploded?

And it wasn't a "Sex-Education" program. It was a school assembly that in many peoples opinions would be "inappropriate" for kids under the age of 18. Research what they are talking about before you just copy/paste off some crazy site.

It was the opinion of some that the program was inappropriate, yes...but not all shared that view. And O'reilly was trying to make it out like they said stuff they just didn't say....his usual tactic, take something way out of context or just change it to suit your point.

Alex_Coe

Holy shit, I live right next door to Boulder High (practically). And this kid is only a year older than me. Kicked Billo's ass.

This is practically proof that Colorado is the best state in the union. We have the bitchinest teenagers on the planet.

Yes, I realise this post is a mind dump.

bayleaf

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It was the opinion of some that the program was inappropriate, yes...but not all shared that view. And O'reilly was trying to make it out like they said stuff they just didn't say....his usual tactic, take something way out of context or just change it to suit your point.

And then accuse the other guy of taking his quote out of context....when Bill misquoted and didn't even acknowledge he had done so.

dharma69

Bu2 wrote:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/06/pinhead-16yearold-schools-oreilly.php

Bill O'Reilly is in his element when it comes to badgering the children of 9/11 victims, accusing kidnapping victims of enjoying their captivity, and anything involving loofahs or falafels. But put him in front of an affable and articulate 16-year-old, and he turns to mush.

Last week, O'Reilly imploded during an interview with Jesse Lange, a rising junior at Boulder High School in Colorado (video above). He was on the program to address O'Reilly's criticism of the Boulder High sex-education program. Lange tells Radar that he knew he was brought on for an opposing view, but his main concern before the show was how to address O'Reilly. "I wasn't sure whether or not I should call him Bill or Mr. O'Reilly," Lange tells Radar. "In the end, I decided to call him Bill, because if I called him Mr. O'Reilly, it would imply that I viewed him as some sort of expert or authority figure." Lange also says that in a brief pre-show interview, O'Reilly asked him not to quote the incendiary parts from The O'Reilly Factor For Kids. "Bill expressly asked me not to talk about it on the air," he says, but the book was the perfect counterpoint to O'Reilly's thinly constructed premise.

When Lange did quote from the book, the hotheaded host got so defensive that he labeled Lange a "pinhead" and cut him off when he tried to read the kiddie propaganda book's inflammatory passages. (Fox even took it upon themselves to remove O'Reilly's "pinhead" remark from subsequent airings of the segment.)

As for what it's like being the kid who put a hurting on Bill O'Reilly, Lange says he is getting "a couple hundred Facebook requests a day" and letters from college professors, "just asking me to consider their schools when I apply to college." (He's also single, ladies.) As for any fallout with O'Reilly, Lange says Bill isn't so tough when he's not on the air, "He didn't say anything to me when the segment ended ... he just had his producers cut off my feed."

By Ray Gustini 06/25/07 10:50 AM
File Under: Bill O'Reilly, Jesse Lange

What's amazing is how differently we interpret things....

I saw that segment from start to finish and it was the 16-year old that looked (and sounded) foolish, not O'Reilly. Yes, he was there to supply the "opposing" view...he didn't do it very well.

Am I pro-O'Reilly? No, I'm pro-anyone-who-makes-sense-to-me. His argument against the show (NOT sex-education) that Colorodo school herded its students into assembly for is dead on. Whether you like it or not O'Reilly can be right.

I can deal with it.

jlew24asu

Alex_Coe wrote:

Holy shit, I live right next door to Boulder High (practically). And this kid is only a year older than me. Kicked Billo's ass.

This is practically proof that Colorado is the best state in the union. We have the bitchinest teenagers on the planet.

Yes, I realise this post is a mind dump.

I agree with you. kid has some balls.

Abookamongstthemany

bayleaf wrote:

And then accuse the other guy of taking his quote out of context....when Bill misquoted and didn't even acknowledge he had done so.

I know! That kid knew Bill's gig and came prepared.

jlew24asu

dharma69 wrote:

What's amazing is how differently we interpret things....

I saw that segment from start to finish and it was the 16-year old that looked (and sounded) foolish, not O'Reilly. Yes, he was there to supply the "opposing" view...he didn't do it very well.

Am I pro-O'Reilly? No, I'm pro-anyone-who-makes-sense-to-me. His argument against the show (NOT sex-education) that Colorodo school herded its students into assembly for is dead on. Whether you like it or not O'Reilly can be right.

I can deal with it.

O'Reilly is great for going after child predators. sometimes he can be a huge asshole, but, eh, thats life. I can deal with it too. I'm with ya dharma

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Alex_Coe wrote:

Holy shit, I live right next door to Boulder High (practically). And this kid is only a year older than me. Kicked Billo's ass.

This is practically proof that Colorado is the best state in the union. We have the bitchinest teenagers on the planet.

Yes, I realise this post is a mind dump.

It's "brain dump" and....btw....yes...rock on with that association.

Feels good....take it and run!

Abuskedti

dharma69 wrote:

What's amazing is how differently we interpret things....

I saw that segment from start to finish and it was the 16-year old that looked (and sounded) foolish, not O'Reilly. Yes, he was there to supply the "opposing" view...he didn't do it very well.

Am I pro-O'Reilly? No, I'm pro-anyone-who-makes-sense-to-me. His argument against the show (NOT sex-education) that Colorodo school herded its students into assembly for is dead on. Whether you like it or not O'Reilly can be right.

I can deal with it.

you listened? Lets see... Bill say that these 4 adults were "far left individuals" who encouraged drug use and indescriminate sexual activity. He offered no examples.

Then Bill misquoted in response to a student who disagreed.

then he closed by telling the boy to read his book.. The boy already mentioned he read the book and offered quotes - to perhaps illustrate how a statement could be taken out of context. The quote he read sounded quite like encouraging drug use.

You listened to that? and found Bill to be right? On what did he base his accusation that these four "adults" encouraged drug use and indescriminate sexual activity? Do you just take Bill at his word when he attacks people who are not present?

Gary Carter

Abuskedti wrote:

On what did he base his accusation that these four "adults" encouraged drug use and indescriminate sexual activity? Do you just take Bill at his word when he attacks people who are not present?

actually if u watched o'reilly that night, he did offer clips of these speakers and the speakers clearly said go do drugs and have sex without condoms and all the kids basically laughed.

Abuskedti

metsfan531941 wrote:

actually if u watched o'reilly that night, he did offer clips of these speakers and the speakers clearly said go do drugs and have sex without condoms and all the kids basically laughed.

Its tough to watch a whole show. they go much like that clip. the student on Bill's side stated that most of the students had no problem with what what said. I am sure there were some jokes that made drug use sound fun. I have some great stories about times when wasted. I can tell those stories too.. but I would never encourage drug use. I have children who just graduated high school - and know many of their friends.. I have told some funny stories - and surly if Bill was taping - he could show them to you and say I was encouraging drug use.

I suppose if all people were as narrow as bill - it may be best to edit your truths and only tell the bad parts of things that you have determined were bad.

But life is more complicated than that.. The fact is- there are some very wonderful benefits of getting high ... thats why people wind up doing them. Its best to tell the whole story to be credible. The whole story of drugs is definately one that would discourage their use. Even if there are some items on the pro side.

bayleaf

I know little about the speeches in question, but I fail to see how anyone could find Bill being in the right during this video. How can a journalist ever be taken seriousley and be considered "fair and balanced" (biggest joke ever) if he misquotes, if you don't get your facts straight, as Bill dosen't, then you really have little argument to make.

From what the kid said about the speeches, they were not condoning drug use. Just using there own life examples to outline the realities of drugs. I think this technique is much more likely to work in a high school than someone telling the students to 'just say no'.

MLC2006

I generally don't like O'reilly (though I DO like him better than rush Limbaugh). but I heard clips from this "sex education program" and in my opinion, it was very inappropriate and if my kid was in there without my knowing, I'd be owning somebody's ass in court. the speakers DID encourage drug use, and they DID encourage sex with as many partners as possible, and the speaker DID say "if I had some ecstacy I'd probably do it with some of you right now". now, what's the legal age for sexual consent? many of these students probably aren't even old enough to legally consent to sex, much less drugs. you saying you wouldn't have a problem with your child being subjected to that without your prior knowledge?

Gary Carter

Abuskedti wrote:

Its tough to watch a whole show. they go much like that clip. the student on Bill's side stated that most of the students had no problem with what what said. I am sure there were some jokes that made drug use sound fun. I have some great stories about times when wasted. I can tell those stories too.. but I would never encourage drug use. I have children who just graduated high school - and know many of their friends.. I have told some funny stories - and surly if Bill was taping - he could show them to you and say I was encouraging drug use.

I suppose if all people were as narrow as bill - it may be best to edit your truths and only tell the bad parts of things that you have determined were bad.

But life is more complicated than that.. The fact is- there are some very wonderful benefits of getting high ... thats why people wind up doing them. Its best to tell the whole story to be credible. The whole story of drugs is definately one that would discourage their use. Even if there are some items on the pro side.

i agree that bill is a jerk and loud mouth. but when people dont watch him and then come on message and say stuff that is wrong, thats where i feel the need to point out and say hey bill did show the clip of the speakers. we've all done stupid stuff drunk or high.some more then others

bayleaf

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dharma69

Simply:

Abuskedti wrote:

you listened? Yes.

Lets see... Bill say that these 4 adults were "far left individuals" who encouraged drug use and indescriminate sexual activity. He offered no examples.

Then Bill misquoted in response to a student who disagreed. Everyone "misquotes"...sometimes one has to paraphrase or surmise. As long as the content is correct, I'm not petty enough to quibble about it.

then he closed by telling the boy to read his book.. The boy already mentioned he read the book and offered quotes - to perhaps illustrate how a statement could be taken out of context. The quote he read sounded quite like encouraging drug use.

You listened to that? and found Bill to be right? On what did he base his accusation that these four "adults" encouraged drug use and indescriminate sexual activity? Do you just take Bill at his word when he attacks people who are not present?
I think a few others have answered this one. And I've heard this story for at least 2 1/2 weeks...not just that one segment. What how those speakers addressed their high school audience was ridiculous...and beyond inappropriate. It's not a left/liberal or right/conservative thing so much as it's a common sense thing.

But that's just me.

Purple Hawk

Bu2 wrote:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/06/pinhead-16yearold-schools-oreilly.php

Bill O'Reilly is in his element when it comes to badgering the children of 9/11 victims, accusing kidnapping victims of enjoying their captivity, and anything involving loofahs or falafels. But put him in front of an affable and articulate 16-year-old, and he turns to mush.

Last week, O'Reilly imploded during an interview with Jesse Lange, a rising junior at Boulder High School in Colorado (video above). He was on the program to address O'Reilly's criticism of the Boulder High sex-education program. Lange tells Radar that he knew he was brought on for an opposing view, but his main concern before the show was how to address O'Reilly. "I wasn't sure whether or not I should call him Bill or Mr. O'Reilly," Lange tells Radar. "In the end, I decided to call him Bill, because if I called him Mr. O'Reilly, it would imply that I viewed him as some sort of expert or authority figure." Lange also says that in a brief pre-show interview, O'Reilly asked him not to quote the incendiary parts from The O'Reilly Factor For Kids. "Bill expressly asked me not to talk about it on the air," he says, but the book was the perfect counterpoint to O'Reilly's thinly constructed premise.

When Lange did quote from the book, the hotheaded host got so defensive that he labeled Lange a "pinhead" and cut him off when he tried to read the kiddie propaganda book's inflammatory passages. (Fox even took it upon themselves to remove O'Reilly's "pinhead" remark from subsequent airings of the segment.)

As for what it's like being the kid who put a hurting on Bill O'Reilly, Lange says he is getting "a couple hundred Facebook requests a day" and letters from college professors, "just asking me to consider their schools when I apply to college." (He's also single, ladies.) As for any fallout with O'Reilly, Lange says Bill isn't so tough when he's not on the air, "He didn't say anything to me when the segment ended ... he just had his producers cut off my feed."

By Ray Gustini 06/25/07 10:50 AM
File Under: Bill O'Reilly, Jesse Lange

I'm not a big fan of O'Reilly, way too self-absorbed and wayyyy too liberal for my taste, but it was clear that these kids comming on his show were given quotes from his book to divert the point at hand...he was too lenient in my view and should have called him on it...he would have if it was an adult, but probably didn't have the sack to do it to a teenager, who was obviously coached by faculty.