This Just In: Pat Tillman Revisited

El_Kabong

gabers wrote:

Was the entire unit involved? I don't see why. It was just a handful of Rangers, correct?

A vast majority of soldiers would never dream of killing one of their unit members, their "brothers" as you put it. But when disputes happen in the heat of battle, shit can go really wrong. I'm sure you heard of the "frag" incidents in Vietnam.

I too, find an organized hit hard to believe, but not totally out of the range of possibility. I think the more likely cause was accident or an act of rage by one soldier rather than a directive from the White House. As much as I despise Cheney and Bush that's very difficult to believe. Whatever the cause the cover up was despicable though. Heads should roll.

lots of.... accidents...remember that italian intelligence guy who was gunned down by US military after rescuing a kidnapped journalist?

El_Kabong

Chris1401 wrote:

I am not disagreeing with your previous points, but if the stars aligned and some psycho had an opportunity (because of the wrong turn, smoke, etc) to take out Tillman (cause he didn't like him) or an officer told him to do it, I wouldn't be surprised because of the background soldiers have, as in, going to work includes killing. Job function=kill.

However, don't underestimate the Bush Administration, they are the ones who successfully sold this war on terrorism to us via the media, etc. They may seem retarded, but they aren't, unfortunately. I mean, for all I know we are still in Iraq cause of some big contract one of Bush's cronies is banking off of.

that's the whole reason cheney and others have bush as their puppet, they can just say 'come on, this guy's close to retarded, he couldn;t do anything like that!'

gue_barium

Cosmo wrote:

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The Unit that was on patrol that afternoon. There were 3 HMMWVs dispatched... so, what... a minimum of 4 per vehicle. Split to 6 per vehicle after the one broke down. Tillman, another soldier and their Afghani guide/interpreter (soldier, not civilian) went up the adjacent hill to get between the suspected persons position and the low angled Sun... when the second HMMWV came around and spotted them. The main gun (turret mounted .50 cal) never fired because the turret gunner had the weapon pointed towards the sunlit hillsides, 180 degrees away from Tillman's position. By the time he had swung the turret around, he saw the smoke tossed by Tillman's group and knew there were Rangers in the area.
And you have to remember... these guys are Army Rangers... not Army Regulars or National Guardsmen... Rangers.
I cannot believe that all of that was staged to occur... the breakdown of the vehicle... the wrong turn by the second HMMWV. It was a combination of a series of mistakes (and poor decisions to cover their mistakes) and bad luck that resulted in deaths.
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And I definately believe that the Bush Administration is too inept to execute such a mission. They are EXCELLENT at lying and spinning the story to make them look better... but, planning and executing (and keeping their big yappers shut about it)... not so much.

First off, you're relying on the official version of events. It's bullshit. Secondly, this didn't have to be executed by the administration, but its obvious that Rumsfeld may have given a nod to the idea. He followed through with the official bullshit story.

gue_barium

El_Kabong wrote:

lots of.... accidents...remember that italian intelligence guy who was gunned down by US military after rescuing a kidnapped journalist?

Yeah. And I would guess there was some "patriotic" motivation to that senseless murder as well.

Dirtie_Frank

El_Kabong wrote:

lots of.... accidents...remember that italian intelligence guy who was gunned down by US military after rescuing a kidnapped journalist?

That was an accident. The Intelligence guy who was killed ran a checkpoint. If he slowed down he would have been alive if he took into consideration the warning shots he would be alive. Let's not call our soldiers murders for something they thought would have killed them. Why don't you try to stand guard and make the decicion this kid had to make.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Looks like they pulled this link...page not found...how old is this thread?

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Looks like they pulled this link...page not found...how old is this thread?

Someone from Counterpunch wrote a very compelling piece which essentially explains that Tillman's death was not an orchestrated "hit", but rather more probably a murder commited spontaneously by ground level troops ...

read this:
Counterpunch Article on Tillman's "Murder" - Reposted at ... gasp ... Prison Planet ...

tell me what you think.
It seems pretty hard to conclude that his "murder" was ordered if he really was in a position (time and place) that seemed to be totally random, by chance, and those with him were also somewhat arbitrarily involved ...

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Someone from Counterpunch wrote a very compelling piece which essentially explains that Tillman's death was not an orchestrated "hit", but rather more probably a murder commited spontaneously by ground level troops ...

read this:
Counterpunch Article on Tillman's "Murder" - Reposted at ... gasp ... Prison Planet ...

tell me what you think.
It seems pretty hard to conclude that his "murder" was ordered if he really was in a position (time and place) that seemed to be totally random, by chance, and those with him were also somewhat arbitrarily involved ...

?

He probably took on some friendly fire and when they realized who they had killed, they did some stupid/foolish things to cover up the fact, which made it look even more suspicious so people started drawing various conclusions about iit.

I remember seeing some video testimony from the family (brother), and it seemed to be a stretch of the imagination what was being said and implied.