To All Nader Supporters

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  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I like cartoons, too!

    You should check out the Mr. Fish thread:

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=284901

    Thanks for the link. Some great work..My favs:
    http://harpers.org/media/image/art/cartoons/mrfish/IranianChild_490x492.jpg
    http://tryworks.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Obama.jpg
    http://www.harpers.org/media/image/art/cartoons/mrfish/ClintonObama_600.jpg
    http://harpers.org/media/image/art/cartoons/mrfish/Katrina_576x460.jpg
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  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,121
    cubbieblue82 wrote:
    Why do you insist on trying to get a 3rd party started at the highest level of office? Nader has absolutely NO chance of ever being elected president. I don't believe any 3rd party candidate does in this day and age.

    So you just say "fuck it then"? They give us two people to vote for, I'm gonna pick one of those???????
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  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    cubbieblue82 wrote:
    Why do you insist on trying to get a 3rd party started at the highest level of office? Nader has absolutely NO chance of ever being elected president. I don't believe any 3rd party candidate does in this day and age.

    It makes so much more sense to start at local and state levels and work up from there. For one, it is easier to get a smaller number of people to get behind an alternative candidate than convincing a nation 300 million strong. Last gubenatorial election in IL, the Green party candidate made a double-digit showing against the Repubs and Dems. Nader would be lucky to get 2%.

    Why not build up from the bottom until there is enough grassroots support for the party to challenge the 2 party system on the main stage?

    Not trying to offend any of you out there, but idealism with no basis in reality wont get us any farther than if you don't vote at all.

    I just had the pleasure earlier today to spend a few minutes talking one-on-one with Ralph Nader here in Montgomery, Alabama, on a campaign stop. He's a very engaging individual and has a wonderful, consumer oriented platform (which is very important to me). Even though he doesn't have a viable chance to win the presidency, he can at the very least bring to the forefront important issues that Obama and McCain refuse to mention. If Nader is on the ballot in Alabama (getting close with the petition drive), I'll be voting for him.
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I just had the pleasure earlier today to spend a few minutes talking one-on-one with Ralph Nader here in Montgomery, Alabama, on a campaign stop. He's a very engaging individual and has a wonderful, consumer oriented platform (which is very important to me). Even though he doesn't have a viable chance to win the presidency, he can at the very least bring to the forefront important issues that Obama and McCain refuse to mention. If Nader is on the ballot in Alabama (getting close with the petition drive), I'll be voting for him.

    Radness!
    I wish more people would take the opportunity to go hear Ralph Nader speak in person. I feel they would find he does in fact have charisma. I feel like I learn something every time I listen to his speeches.

    Good luck on that petition drive. :)
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    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Radness!
    I wish more people would take the opportunity to go hear Ralph Nader speak in person. I feel they would find he does in fact have charisma. I feel like I learn something every time I listen to his speeches.

    Good luck on that petition drive. :)


    I don't get that either...how people claim Nader isn't charismatic. They obviously know shit about what they are talking about and are just going by some idiotic media produced common misconception.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    he still stands wrote:
    I support Nader because I agree with his policy principles more than the other candidates, and at the local level I typically support the green or libertarian parties too. I don't think there are many Nader supporters who don't support a 3rd party at the local level too.

    It is this sort of pessismism that will be a self-fulfilling prophecy that will inevitably produce more of the same centrist politics and politicians.

    and do any of the green candidates you vote for at the local level ever win?

    i agree that we need more than two parties, but honestly, the greens just don't seem to be able to capture america's interest, esp not on a national level. maybe it's time for new blood, under a new banner. and without papa nader's frowning, grumpy specter to taint it (read: fuck it up).
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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    I have a deep suspicion that Ralph Nader is beginning to manifest the early signs of senile dementia, and possibly full-blown alzheimers.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I don't get that either...how people claim Nader isn't charismatic. They obviously know shit about what they are talking about and are just going by some idiotic media produced common misconception.

    Forget what we see with our own eyes, it must be the media causing this. Maybe if I had some rose colored lenses for my shades.....
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Forget what we see with our own eyes, it must be the media causing this. Maybe if I had some rose colored lenses for my shades.....

    Such as?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    godpt3 wrote:
    I have a deep suspicion that Ralph Nader is beginning to manifest the early signs of senile dementia, and possibly full-blown alzheimers.

    And you're basing this on what exactly?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    godpt3 wrote:
    I have a deep suspicion that Ralph Nader is beginning to manifest the early signs of senile dementia, and possibly full-blown alzheimers.


    That's practically a pre-requisite for President.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And you're basing this on what exactly?
    Probably his inability to be able to bullshit his way through politics. :D
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Such as?

    Such as I have seen him on numerous shows pitching himself and he is not charismatic to me and MANY others on here. To say we believe this because of media misconception is false.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    unsung wrote:
    And Obama can?

    yes, he can. Nader taking away votes might not even be a factor this time around.

    this answer of course is underestimating the overwhelming stupidity of about half of the united states.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Such as I have seen him on numerous shows pitching himself and he is not charismatic to me and MANY others on here. To say we believe this because of media misconception is false.


    Well give me an example of his uncharismatic ways so I know where you are coming from.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    yes, he can. Nader taking away votes might not even be a factor this time around.

    this answer of course is underestimating the overwhelming stupidity of about half of the united states.


    Who decides who's stupid?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Such as I have seen him on numerous shows pitching himself and he is not charismatic to me and MANY others on here. To say we believe this because of media misconception is false.

    Maybe some people don't see him as charismatic, because he stays very much on topic and is down to business.

    I love his passion for what he believes in, which translates into charisma for me. He uses what little time he gets in the spotlight to drive the message home. I'm sure if he spent any of his time bantering with show hosts, the same people bored by his on target answers would bash him for not having a serious message.

    I am impassioned by his drive. I don't know where he gets his energy and ability to keep fighting the good fight in such hostile territory. I am inspired by him and therefore find him very charismatic.

    I think those who don't find him charismatic want to be entertained by their leaders. I don't think they want to have to think and face the serious issues in this world. Anyone who asks them to think and take serious action is just 'like a total buzzkill, man'.
    Walking can be a real trip
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    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well give me an example of his uncharismatic ways so I know where you are coming from.

    OK, just let me figure out how to hook up the video download from my brain.

    Seriously, can I find Nader not charismatic without having to gather "proof" of this? It is my opinion of the man.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    OK, just let me figure out how to hook up the video download from my brain.

    Seriously, can I find Nader not charismatic without having to gather "proof" of this? It is my opinion of the man.


    I was just wondering if you had an example of something that helped you to form this opinion. lol
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Who decides who's stupid?

    well, the definition of stupid varies from person to person of course....

    but In my own personal view, If you get kicked in the nuts twice and you ask for another, that's stupid.

    Just for the record, I don't consider Nader voters stupid..

    just slightly delusional and self rightous.

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