America Election Make Me Sick

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  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Three years campaigning?

    Try educating yourself on a subject before you bash it, you ignoramus.

    hey, according to Letterman they've been campaigning for like 9 years. ;)
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  • pateljampateljam Posts: 340
    Ok come on now.. there is nothing wrong with Canada.. can we kindly cut out the insults? really it is like being back on the playground with 3rd graders!!


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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    lukin2006 wrote:
    We just had an election here in Canada 37 days over and done, Your campaigning and election has been going on for what 3 years? What a joke! And it appears that he who spends the most gets elected. I'll take our Prime Minister over whoever you elect any day, as a matter of fact I would take the leader of the 2 main opposition parties any day over Obama or McCain. Can't you find a candidate with a little more substance and less BS.


    You know why your elections can be so short, simple an quiet? Because nobody cares about Canada.
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  • QuestionAuthorityQuestionAuthority Idaho Posts: 327
    Why? Because he's charismatic, handsome, well-spoken, and full of buzzword promises?

    Obama will suck, albeit slightly less than McCain will.


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  • iamicaiamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    know1 wrote:
    You know why your elections can be so short, simple an quiet? Because nobody cares about Canada.

    Just because you don't care about Canada doesn't mean that no one does.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    know1 wrote:
    You know why your elections can be so short, simple an quiet? Because nobody cares about Canada.

    Maybe they don't care but we are are respected.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Three years campaigning?

    Try educating yourself on a subject before you bash it, you ignoramus.
    For one 3 years was sarcasm, but it does go on for a long time. Why does it take so long to get to this point, just tell people what you stand for and vote, seems to me this could be done a lot quicker or in a shorter period of time.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Considering Canada's population and also the square mileage of populated land, it might be more realistic to compare its elections to that of ,say, California's.
  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    *Yawn* Nationalism is so immature. "My country is better than yours. Yours makes me sick. Mines respected." Who gives a fuck? Really. Canada has its pros and cons and so does this country. Can we stop competing like little fucking kids now?

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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    well then it's awesome for you that you live in canada and not the states! :)


    our system is far, far, far from perfect...would never suggest otherwise. campaign reform gets discussed ad nauseum, haven't seen many results just yet though.

    however, beyond that.....i am excited to vote in a presidential election for the first time in a LONG time and truly believe if elected obama can do some good for our country and for the world. differing perspectives. :)
    great post.:D:D
    I agree...I am excited to vote... counting down the days!!
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I'm with the original poster. American elections are annoying. Really.

    I don't know how Americans can stand so much bullshit. How many times have candidates flip flopped since the beginning? I know Obama is spinning around on some issues. How about all the smear campaigns? You think that's normal? We don't have that here. What about a wannabe plumber who is spouting bullshit on national tv. Who gave this guy air time? You've got two sides who hate each other. All they do is spread lies, false information and they attack the other side relentlessly.

    I realise how important these elections are to Americans and the world, but the whole process is seriously fucked up, imo.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Maybe they don't care but we are are respected.

    By whom?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,616
    it makes you sick? at least you have free health care in canada to take care of that ;)


    Better get in line now though if you want to be helped before summer. ;)
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Collin wrote:
    I'm with the original poster. American elections are annoying. Really.

    I don't know how Americans can stand so much bullshit. How many times have candidates flip flopped since the beginning? I know Obama is spinning around on some issues. How about all the smear campaigns? You think that's normal? We don't have that here. What about a wannabe plumber who is spouting bullshit on national tv. Who gave this guy air time? You've got two sides who hate each other. All they do is spread lies, false information and they attack the other side relentlessly.

    I realise how important these elections are to Americans and the world, but the whole process is seriously fucked up, imo.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=307452
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=307404

    edit: And of course I forgot to mention the money. It's all about the money, baby.


    I agree
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    sponger wrote:
    Considering Canada's population and also the square mileage of populated land, it might be more realistic to compare its elections to that of ,say, California's.


    Well the US population is about 10 times that of Canada. Yet the US election cycle (including primaries) seems to be more than 10 times as long, and the amount of campaign spending seems to be way more than 10 times what is spent in Canada.
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    fugawzi wrote:
    *Yawn* Nationalism is so immature. "My country is better than yours. Yours makes me sick. Mines respected." Who gives a fuck? Really. Canada has its pros and cons and so does this country. Can we stop competing like little fucking kids now?

    "I've never understood national pride. I could never understand ethnic or national pride 'cause to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Too much pride as it is." - George Carlin


    oh lighten up....

    We all the know that the back and forth between Canadians and Americans is in good faith. I bag on Canada all the time despite the fact that some of the coolest people I've ever met are Canadian.
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  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    stickfig13 wrote:
    oh lighten up....

    We all the know that the back and forth between Canadians and Americans is in good faith. I bag on Canada all the time despite the fact that some of the coolest people I've ever met are Canadian.

    I am light. I just can't stand the nationalism sometimes. I don't mean just Canadians. I think people who have bumper stickers that read "Proud to be American..Puerto Rican...Italian..." etc. are morons. I wasn't referring to the people of Canada, just nationalist idiots who compete with other nationalists all over the world. I'm sure there are many great Canadians. I wish we ran some of the things here like they do in Canada.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    I have issues with both of the American and Canadian election processes.

    I feel the main problem with the Canadian election process is: If you are going to have so many popular parties, you need to have some aspect of representation by popularity, instead of just the electoral region system. Case study: The Green Party of Canada generated support nation wide (not just a subregion like the Bloc Quebecois) and garnered nearly 10 percent of the national vote. However, they have no representation in parliament since they did not win any ridings (electoral areas).

    The days of the two party system are long gone in canada but the election process still favors it.

    My beef with the American election system is slightly different. I feel strongly that the two term limit introduced by the 22nd? amendment causes a president's second term to be a wash. The administration has no one to impress. Opinion polls mean nothing to that president. They can do whatever the hell they want for four years then they know they are out. In the concerns of brevity I will list only ONE case study that I feel is a microcosm to the bigger picture:

    Dick Cheney shot a person in the face and upper body, and recieved ZERO punishment. I don't know about you, but where I come from, if you take a loaded weapon, point it at another human, pull the trigger and inflict bodily harm upon that person, IT IS A SERIOUS OFFENCE, even if it is an accident. Even if Dick was aiming at a bird, but has terrible aim, he should still be liable for his action. Americans failed to address the gravity of this situation and just didn't care. To me, this event embodied the theme of the last four years. The administration is going to do what it wants regardless of any consequence, because no one will hold it responsible, and they will be out scot-free on Jan 1 2009. You can apply that to Iraq, the economy woes, anything.
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Derrick wrote:
    I have issues with both of the American and Canadian election processes.

    I feel the main problem with the Canadian election process is: If you are going to have so many popular parties, you need to have some aspect of representation by popularity, instead of just the electoral region system. Case study: The Green Party of Canada generated support nation wide (not just a subregion like the Bloc Quebecois) and garnered nearly 10 percent of the national vote. However, they have no representation in parliament since they did not win any ridings (electoral areas).

    The days of the two party system are long gone in canada but the election process still favors it.

    My beef with the American election system is slightly different. I feel strongly that the two term limit introduced by the 22nd? amendment causes a president's second term to be a wash. The administration has no one to impress. Opinion polls mean nothing to that president. They can do whatever the hell they want for four years then they know they are out. In the concerns of brevity I will list only ONE case study that I feel is a microcosm to the bigger picture:

    Dick Cheney shot a person in the face and upper body, and recieved ZERO punishment. I don't know about you, but where I come from, if you take a loaded weapon, point it at another human, pull the trigger and inflict bodily harm upon that person, IT IS A SERIOUS OFFENCE, even if it is an accident. Even if Dick was aiming at a bird, but has terrible aim, he should still be liable for his action. Americans failed to address the gravity of this situation and just didn't care. To me, this event embodied the theme of the last four years. The administration is going to do what it wants regardless of any consequence, because no one will hold it responsible, and they will be out scot-free on Jan 1 2009. You can apply that to Iraq, the economy woes, anything.


    i like your post!
    really agree what you said about 2nd terms in the USA.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I just think the election process in the states takes long just to get a leader who at the end of the day really only works for the corporations and special interest groups. So said, if I could vote in US election I would support a third party candidate.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I just think the election process in the states takes long just to get a leader who at the end of the day really only works for the corporations and special interest groups. So said, if I could vote in US election I would support a third party candidate.


    and....Canada doesn't have corporations and special interests?
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Derrick wrote:

    Dick Cheney shot a person in the face and upper body, and recieved ZERO punishment. I don't know about you, but where I come from, if you take a loaded weapon, point it at another human, pull the trigger and inflict bodily harm upon that person, IT IS A SERIOUS OFFENCE, even if it is an accident. Even if Dick was aiming at a bird, but has terrible aim, he should still be liable for his action. Americans failed to address the gravity of this situation and just didn't care. To me, this event embodied the theme of the last four years. The administration is going to do what it wants regardless of any consequence, because no one will hold it responsible, and they will be out scot-free on Jan 1 2009. You can apply that to Iraq, the economy woes, anything.

    Yeah....I'm sure every Canadian hunting accident has ended in prosecution.
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  • Royals32Royals32 Posts: 160
    I'm sorry did you guys hear something? Oh...was that the only country to be taken over by France trying to speak to America? I see....Bring back John Candy!


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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Yeah....I'm sure every Canadian hunting accident has ended in prosecution.

    I would hope so. I can't believe people attempt to marginalize this event.
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Derrick wrote:
    I would hope so. I can't believe people attempt to marginalize this event.

    C'mon, man. What's a shotgun blast to the face among friends? Nothing. Nothing at all.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Derrick wrote:
    I would hope so. I can't believe people attempt to marginalize this event.

    Out of all the things this administration has done.....



    You pick a hunting accident.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Well the US population is about 10 times that of Canada. Yet the US election cycle (including primaries) seems to be more than 10 times as long, and the amount of campaign spending seems to be way more than 10 times what is spent in Canada.

    That's why I mentioned square mileage of populated land in my post. Do you know what square mileage is? Did you know that when candidates campaign, they travel?
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    stickfig13 wrote:
    and....Canada doesn't have corporations and special interests?
    WE do have corporation and special interests, no doubt, but as of 2007 the conservative government banned corporate contributions and lowered the amount that can be contributed to 1100, now I am sure there are ways around this, but it still makes it much harder. But even our conservative party is much more to left than your democratic party, and this isn't even close in my opinion.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,382
    sponger wrote:
    That's why I mentioned square mileage of populated land in my post. Do you know what square mileage is? Did you know that when candidates campaign, they travel?
    its square kilometers
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,382
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Look at the influence your president has on the world compared to ours. Now doesn't it seem fitting that ours spend more time campaigning?
    ummm i dont know if anyone mentioned this in the thread yet, but we dont have a president, we have a Prime Minister.
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