Copy the original link again.. You are just copying the link showing on the forums...
See the "..." between "Temperature" and "ticle". The forums just do that for displaying long URLs. Hover over the link and see the URL at the bottom of your browser.
Copy the original link again.. You are just copying the link showing on the forums...
See the "..." between "Temperature" and "ticle". The forums just do that for displaying long URLs. Hover over the link and see the URL at the bottom of your browser.
You're crazy. The lines clearly trend up on all studies....
The article's conclusion:
We conclude that global data indicate a 30-year trend toward more frequent and intense hurricanes, corroborated by the results of the recent regional assessment (29). This trend is not inconsistent with recent climate model simulations that a doubling of CO2 may increase the frequency of the most intense cyclones (18, 30), although attribution of the 30-year trends to global warming would require a longer global data record and, especially, a deeper understanding of the role of hurricanes in the general circulation of the atmosphere and ocean, even in the present climate state.
I'm worried about our oceans. Most of the world's population lives within a couple hours of a coast. Water temperatures and pollution levels are rising. Reefs are dying. Overfishing is rampant. With the way the world's population is increasing, we're going to need intelligent fishing to help provide food. Talk all you want about the ice caps and the air, but if the oceans go, we're fucked. And while there may not be a consensus on actual climate change, I think the problems of the oceans have been pretty well documented.
Very true.
And also, whether or not global warming is man made or even exists is not so important to me. I've always been against pollution, acid rain, against chopping down our rain forests... I think it's foolish that we're fucking up our air and our fresh water. As well as the oceans. Italian mafia is just dumping nuclear waste into the seas. Walk outside next to a busy road in the rain, a vagrant who hasn't showered in twenty years and sleeps in smokey bars in piles of puke will smell better. People just throw their soda cans or beer cans out the window. There world is your trash bin. So you can give me complete studies that prove without a doubt that global warming does not exist. I don't care, go green anyway. Let's start polluting less anyway. Let's reduce the amount of harmful emission we pump into the air our children will have to breathe. Let's not fuck up our waters.
here you go again, why make this a political issue?
i believe you started with the agenda/bias thing but i digress - you are right, it shouldn't be a political issue but for some reason the environment does tend to fall left vs. right ...
there are no peer-reviewed scientific articles that claim global climate change is not happening and is not caused largely by man - this is a fact ... these oil/coal funded think tank op-ed pieces are part of the PR wars ...
read this book ... you can get it at the library ...
Good talk. There are studies that refute the talk, which I have posted earlier in this thread. Anyone can take snapshots of different locations at different times.
The fact is Global Warming can actually cool some areas of the earth:
Without the thermohaline circulation, not as much heat would be transported from the tropics to the North Atlantic region. Eastern North America and Western Europe would cool, while the rest of the world continues to warm. We don’t know how much of this cooling would be balanced by the simultaneous warming in the atmosphere.
If that gets here first, or gets here because of Global Warming, or gets here despite Global Warming, I think we can be safe in assuming that it's coming.
The trick is (and NO ONE knows for sure), if a new Little Ice Age is caused by Global Warming and possibly preventable (unlikely) by slowing Global Warming, we should all be aware of it at the very least.
However, I have still not seen any hard facts or anything to tell me the fucking ice shelf isn't actually slipping into the ocean... which... it is
i believe you started with the agenda/bias thing but i digress - you are right, it shouldn't be a political issue but for some reason the environment does tend to fall left vs. right ...
there are no peer-reviewed scientific articles that claim global climate change is not happening and is not caused largely by man - this is a fact ... these oil/coal funded think tank op-ed pieces are part of the PR wars ...
read this book ... you can get it at the library ...
no its not a fact that its largely caused by man. there are facts refuting it. both sides have evidence. didn't we talk about this open mind thing? you aren't doing very well.
You white people sure worry about global warming a lot. It's great all the things your doing to help out, like chatting about it on a BBS and linking other white people to youtube video clips. Time to take it to the next level! The good thing is, all you have to do to go there is buy a Toyota Prius!
Over the years, white people have gone through a number of official cars. In the 1980s it was the Saab and the Volvo. By the 1990s it was the Volkswagen Jetta or a Subaru 4WD stastion wagon. But these days, there is only one car for white people. One car that defines all that they love: the Toyota Prius.
The Prius might be the most perfect white product ever. It’s expensive, gives the idea that you are helping the environment, and requires no commitment/changes other than money.
The Toyota Prius gets 45 miles per gallon. That’s right, you can drive 45 miles and burn only one gallon of gasoline. So somehow, through marketing or perception, the Prius lets people think that driving their car is GOOD for the environment.
It’s a pretty sweet deal for white people. You can buy a car, continue to drive to work and Barak Obama rallies and feel like you are helping the environment!
Some white people decide to pull the ultimate move. Prius, Apple Sticker on the back, iPod rocking, and Democratic Candidate bumper sticker. Unstoppable!
There are a few ways you can use this to your advantage. If you are carpooling to an event or party you can always say “can we take your Prius? my car doesn’t get good mileage and I feel guilty driving it.” And bam! Free ride!
Also, if you see a white person in a Prius you can say “wow, that’s great to see that you’re doing something for the earth.” The white person will feel very good about themselves and offer to drive you home, to Ikea, or drop you off at 80s night.
if i picked out the one thing that had nothing to do with the topic im sorry. Maybe you shouldnt have used it as one of your arguements for the causes of global warming.
No my viewpoint is that it doesn't matter whether there is global warming or not when there are other positive factors to going green. Like spending less on $3.81 per gallon gasoline.
I also never hear a valid argument as to not going green other then its BS and Global Warming doesn't exist. That kind of thinking still doesn't solve the declining fossil fuels on our planet OR the rising gas prices at the pump.
If you go green you MAY help save the planet (if global warming exists) but you will cut down on smog, on gas consumption, and that could cause gas prices to go down because demand will be less.
So again what is peoples problem with going a little green and driving a little less when there are so many positive factors for doing so?
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No my viewpoint is that it doesn't matter whether there is global warming or not when there are other positive factors to going green. Like spending less on $3.81 per gallon gasoline.
I also never hear a valid argument as to not going green other then its BS and Global Warming doesn't exist. That kind of thinking still doesn't solve the declining fossil fuels on our planet OR the rising gas prices at the pump.
If you go green you MAY help save the planet (if global warming exists) but you will cut down on smog, on gas consumption, and that could cause gas prices to go down because demand will be less.
So again what is peoples problem with going a little green and driving a little less when there are so many positive factors for doing so?
Robots need to refute that link somehow... with science. I haven't seen any science to tell me the icecaps are NOT melting.
Oh they will bring up shit like sun temperature, or the temperature of one town in some location on earth, ignoring the average temperature of entire continents all together.
Go for it. Find something credible to refute it. Try. I'll send you money via Paypal if you do.
We at least contribute to global warming, if we aren't the primary cause of it.
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I gave you evidence to the contray and all you said was bullshit! yea ya got me.
The first link there doesn't work.
The second one I refuted above.
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm
Actually that's another lie. I did not just say bullshit. I sited two studies that 100% refute what's in your article.
here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../309/5742/1844
and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications...y/tor30yrs.pdf
Here is the link to my post for those keeping track... http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5298979&postcount=25
All I get is "Bad Request"...
Copy the original link again.. You are just copying the link showing on the forums...
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these links dont work
damnit, ok how bout now
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
ROFL my bad...
here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844
and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
Ya I won't argue with this. However, it dips back and forth but the overall trend is going up.
Look at all the other studies I linked. Since the industrial revolution, it's been nothing but up.
this goes go to prove my point actually. storms have not increased like you claim..
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844/FIG2
I will show you some studies about this tomorrow. I hope you check em out
You're crazy. The lines clearly trend up on all studies....
The article's conclusion:
*sigh*
I'm crazy?? me???? look at the graph on the right...you are telling me from 95 to present that line is going up?? really?
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol309/issue5742/images/large/309_1844_F2.jpeg
and secondly, if you draw a line through the axis points they will show a straight across pattern. which is normal.
Chart on the left? It goes down from 99 to 05. 05 to now it goes up. /shrug
Look at the link I showed going over the last 100 years. Linked it above =p
Just letting you know this link doesn't work
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/208422main_global_temp_change.jpg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI
good grief ... do you tow the conservative line on everything?
it's sad people like this guy still get used ... i think he's the one that said that peer-reviewed scientific journals are not that important ...
here you go again, why make this a political issue?
Very true.
And also, whether or not global warming is man made or even exists is not so important to me. I've always been against pollution, acid rain, against chopping down our rain forests... I think it's foolish that we're fucking up our air and our fresh water. As well as the oceans. Italian mafia is just dumping nuclear waste into the seas. Walk outside next to a busy road in the rain, a vagrant who hasn't showered in twenty years and sleeps in smokey bars in piles of puke will smell better. People just throw their soda cans or beer cans out the window. There world is your trash bin. So you can give me complete studies that prove without a doubt that global warming does not exist. I don't care, go green anyway. Let's start polluting less anyway. Let's reduce the amount of harmful emission we pump into the air our children will have to breathe. Let's not fuck up our waters.
Breathe in
Let's go swimming
Enjoy the nice fresh air
Fuck trying to improve our ways. Who in his right mind would want to preserve this. The world is fine.
naděje umírá poslední
i believe you started with the agenda/bias thing but i digress - you are right, it shouldn't be a political issue but for some reason the environment does tend to fall left vs. right ...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bob_Carter
there are no peer-reviewed scientific articles that claim global climate change is not happening and is not caused largely by man - this is a fact ... these oil/coal funded think tank op-ed pieces are part of the PR wars ...
read this book ... you can get it at the library ...
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Us-Were-Experts-Manipulates/dp/1585421391/ref=sr_1_40?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206554900&sr=8-40
Good talk. There are studies that refute the talk, which I have posted earlier in this thread. Anyone can take snapshots of different locations at different times.
The fact is Global Warming can actually cool some areas of the earth:
Even as far back as the 70's, people have been talking about a new Little Ice Age... http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/wcc-1979.html
If that gets here first, or gets here because of Global Warming, or gets here despite Global Warming, I think we can be safe in assuming that it's coming.
The trick is (and NO ONE knows for sure), if a new Little Ice Age is caused by Global Warming and possibly preventable (unlikely) by slowing Global Warming, we should all be aware of it at the very least.
However, I have still not seen any hard facts or anything to tell me the fucking ice shelf isn't actually slipping into the ocean... which... it is
no its not a fact that its largely caused by man. there are facts refuting it. both sides have evidence. didn't we talk about this open mind thing? you aren't doing very well.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/60-toyota-prius/
"Stuff White People Like"
#60 Toyota Prius
February 7, 2008 by clander
Over the years, white people have gone through a number of official cars. In the 1980s it was the Saab and the Volvo. By the 1990s it was the Volkswagen Jetta or a Subaru 4WD stastion wagon. But these days, there is only one car for white people. One car that defines all that they love: the Toyota Prius.
The Prius might be the most perfect white product ever. It’s expensive, gives the idea that you are helping the environment, and requires no commitment/changes other than money.
The Toyota Prius gets 45 miles per gallon. That’s right, you can drive 45 miles and burn only one gallon of gasoline. So somehow, through marketing or perception, the Prius lets people think that driving their car is GOOD for the environment.
It’s a pretty sweet deal for white people. You can buy a car, continue to drive to work and Barak Obama rallies and feel like you are helping the environment!
Some white people decide to pull the ultimate move. Prius, Apple Sticker on the back, iPod rocking, and Democratic Candidate bumper sticker. Unstoppable!
There are a few ways you can use this to your advantage. If you are carpooling to an event or party you can always say “can we take your Prius? my car doesn’t get good mileage and I feel guilty driving it.” And bam! Free ride!
Also, if you see a white person in a Prius you can say “wow, that’s great to see that you’re doing something for the earth.” The white person will feel very good about themselves and offer to drive you home, to Ikea, or drop you off at 80s night.
No my viewpoint is that it doesn't matter whether there is global warming or not when there are other positive factors to going green. Like spending less on $3.81 per gallon gasoline.
I also never hear a valid argument as to not going green other then its BS and Global Warming doesn't exist. That kind of thinking still doesn't solve the declining fossil fuels on our planet OR the rising gas prices at the pump.
If you go green you MAY help save the planet (if global warming exists) but you will cut down on smog, on gas consumption, and that could cause gas prices to go down because demand will be less.
So again what is peoples problem with going a little green and driving a little less when there are so many positive factors for doing so?
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
pay up
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html
Someone already tried that. Already been refuted.