Global warming the fuck exists

PJ_Saluki

I'm worried about our oceans. Most of the world's population lives within a couple hours of a coast. Water temperatures and pollution levels are rising. Reefs are dying. Overfishing is rampant. With the way the world's population is increasing, we're going to need intelligent fishing to help provide food. Talk all you want about the ice caps and the air, but if the oceans go, we're fucked. And while there may not be a consensus on actual climate change, I think the problems of the oceans have been pretty well documented.

Kel Varnsen

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Here we go again with a debate whether its man made or not. That shit doesn't matter people.

Fact: We have pollution in our water and air that is man made.

Fact: We are running out of fossil fuels.

Fact: I paid $3.81 a gallon for gas this weekend.

Fact: That will only go up.

So why do we keep arguing about global warming. We should go Green to protect the environment, protect our wallets, and save our remaining fossil fuels for as long as possible.

The argument for not going Green is I like my SUV, and since I don't believe in Global Warming why should I participate in Green programs.

It's just really sad to me how people can be so self centered.

This is sort of what I have always thought about this whole debate. It is like saying you don't need to quit smoking because some scientists say it doesn't cause cancer. Meanwhile your teeth are yellow, you smell bad, your skin looks gross and you can't walk up a flight of stairs without losing your breath. You might not be getting cancer but it is still fucking up your life. The same way air pollution and burning fossil fuels might not cause global warming but it is not like it is a good thing otherwise.

Solat13

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

here's your proof dude.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

end of page 2 and top of 3.

I call bullshit. The paper CLEARLY shows the globe warming. No doubt about that.

The two figures that you pinpoint are refuted...

here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844

and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf

I was taking it seriously until this quote....

Puff Piece wrote:

While CO2 levels have in creased substantially and are expected to
continue doing so and hu mans have been responsible for part of this
increase, the effect on the environment has been benign.
There is, however, one very dangerous possibility.

Our industrial and technological civilization depends upon abundant,
low-cost energy. This civilization has already brought unprecedented
prosperity to the people of the more developed nations.
Billions of people in the less developed nations are now lifting themselves
from poverty by adopting this technology.

Hydrocarbons are essential sources of energy to sustain and ex -
tend prosperity. This is especially true of the developing nations,
where avail able cap ital and technology are in sufficient to meet rap -
idly increasing energy needs without extensive use of hydrocarbon
fuels. If, through misunderstanding of the underly ng science and
through misguided public fear and hysteria, mankind significantly ra -
tions and restricts the use of hydrocarbons, the worldwide in crease in
prosperity will stop. The result would be vast human suffering and
the loss of hundreds of millions of human lives. Moreover, the pros -
perity of those in the developedcoun tries would be greatly reduced.

How the fuck do they know? Who's to say an increase that alternative energy sources would destroy "prosperity".

Those last two sentences really sink home... ROFL... Pure shit.

lazymoon13

wow eeky you need to go into some type of global warming detox program or something. does al gore have you on the payroll? seriously, how much you gettin?

so bascially any evidence that is presented to you, you call bullshit!


GLOBAL WARMING THE FUCK EXISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$#$#@!%!#$%@#$%@#$%#$%%#$%#$

Byrnzie

lazymoon13 wrote:

actually it doesnt exist. sorry, I really hate to rain on your parade and super intelligent thread title :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7313264.stm
Tuesday, 25 March 2008, 16:55 GMT

Antarctic shelf 'hangs by thread'
By Helen Briggs
Science reporter, BBC News

A chunk of ice the size of the Isle of Man has started to break away from Antarctica in what scientists say is further evidence of a warming climate.

Nevermind

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Figures you pick out the one thing in my post that has nothing to do with the topic. It also proves my point.

If we don't change our behavior it COULD lead to global warming. If we change our behavior it will clean up the air. Have you been to Los Angeles? Its disgusting and you can't say the air was like that before we overpopulated the area.

But even if you don't believe all of that my point is that gas is going up so that you can go green to save yourself money.

There is no good reason not to go green. If my uncle Jeff gave up driving his BMW into SF everyday then anyone can because this guy loves his fucking Beamer.

if i picked out the one thing that had nothing to do with the topic im sorry. Maybe you shouldnt have used it as one of your arguements for the causes of global warming.

lazymoon13

Byrnzie wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7313264.stm
Tuesday, 25 March 2008, 16:55 GMT

Antarctic shelf 'hangs by thread'
By Helen Briggs
Science reporter, BBC News

A chunk of ice the size of the Isle of Man has started to break away from Antarctica in what scientists say is further evidence of a warming climate.

yea I hear about that, this is from the yahoo article...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080326/ap_on_sc/antarctica_collapse;_ylt=Ak4uWoVMY01BiHrzmk4GLFas0NUE

Much of the continent is not warming and some parts are even cooling, Vaughan said. However, the western peninsula, which includes the Wilkins ice shelf, juts out into the ocean and is warming. This is the part of the continent where scientists are most concern about ice-melt triggering sea level rise.

read up dude.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

eekamouse

Solat13 wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

Talk about cherry picking statistics....

Check this out...

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/208422main_global_temp_change.jpg

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

wow eeky you need to go into some type of global warming detox program or something. does al gore have you on the payroll? seriously, how much you gettin?

so bascially any evidence that is presented to you, you call bullshit!


GLOBAL WARMING THE FUCK EXISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$#$#@!%!#$%@#$%@#$%#$%%#$%#$

Sounds like someone who just got refuted hands down... sorry.

lazymoon13

eekamouse wrote:

Sounds like someone who just got refuted hands down... sorry.

I gave you evidence to the contray and all you said was bullshit! yea ya got me.

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

The first link there doesn't work.

The second one I refuted above.

lazymoon13

eekamouse wrote:

The first link there doesn't work.

The second one I refuted above.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

I gave you evidence to the contray and all you said was bullshit! yea ya got me.

Actually that's another lie. I did not just say bullshit. I sited two studies that 100% refute what's in your article.


here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../309/5742/1844

and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications...y/tor30yrs.pdf


Here is the link to my post for those keeping track... http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5298979&postcount=25

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

All I get is "Bad Request"...

Copy the original link again.. You are just copying the link showing on the forums...

See the "..." between "Temperature" and "ticle". The forums just do that for displaying long URLs. Hover over the link and see the URL at the bottom of your browser.

lazymoon13

eekamouse wrote:

Actually that's another lie. I did not just say bullshit. I sited two studies that 100% refute what's in your article.


here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../309/5742/1844

and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications...y/tor30yrs.pdf

these links dont work

lazymoon13

eekamouse wrote:

All I get is "Bad Request"...

Copy the original link again.. You are just copying the link showing on the forums...

See the "..." between "Temperature" and "ticle". The forums just do that for displaying long URLs. Hover over the link and see the URL at the bottom of your browser.

damnit, ok how bout now
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

these links dont work

ROFL my bad...

here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844

and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf

eekamouse

lazymoon13 wrote:

damnit, ok how bout now
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

Ya I won't argue with this. However, it dips back and forth but the overall trend is going up.

Look at all the other studies I linked. Since the industrial revolution, it's been nothing but up.

lazymoon13

eekamouse wrote:

ROFL my bad...

here.. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844

and here.. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf

this goes go to prove my point actually. storms have not increased like you claim..

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5742/1844/FIG2