Good reasons to eradicate Hezbollah

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dg1979us wrote:
    How is Israel ruining the middle east anymore than Iran or Saudi Arabia or Syria? And Israel is a recognized government by the UN, so you cannot compare them to Hizbollah. Israel certainly can and should be criticized for many things, but Hizbollah is an organization with basically one purpose.

    O.k, I was over-simplifying things. Just as a lot of people on here have been over-simplifying the status of Hizbollah in Lebanese society.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The same could be said of Israel. They are more or less an offsore U.S military and strategic base within the Middle East who operate by their own accord at America's bidding. They are basically a more established version of the taliban - I.e, a lawless terrorist state - and play their part in ruining the middle east.

    Completely wrong, sorry. That's just not accurate. The political relationship between the U.S. and Israel is a lot more complicated than this. Typically American response, though ... Even the American liberals think they are the centre of the universe. ;)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The military arm of Hezbollah needs to be dismantled, and the political faction needs to disavow violence and terrorism and if they want, become a legitimate political party in the Lebanese system.
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    Agree... what political party has their own militia? Leastwise, in a political system other than our own (Western Democracies).
    The only thing that I would question is the legitimacy of Hezbollah... I mean, after all, there were a lot of people who voted them into power. What does this say about Democracy in the Middle East? I guess, there are a lot of people over there who agree with their political views.
    In Iraq... we are seeing the same thing happening with the Shi'ite militias of Al Sadr. If, or when, he and/or his party win democratically held elections... it is Hezbollah all over again.
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  • brianjd
    brianjd Posts: 201
    purrmo wrote:
    I agree with OutofBreath/Dan, eradicating is just not the right word. It reminds me of "regime change" at the beginning of the Iraq war, and that has turned into a very bad situation for all. Hizbollah is a political party that is not going away, or going to be "eradicated" especially after the war with israel. Support for them has increased, while in the Mideast, I had a chance to witness that firsthand. Name the country, including our allies such as Saudi Arabia, the people have voiced their support for Hizbollah. They are seen as heroes for defending their country (for where was the Lebanese army during this war?) and they are now helping rebuild, which will further increase support for the group. I don't see them going them away anytime soon. Israel wants them destroyed, they call for the UN resolution to disarm all militias, specifically Hizbollah, but yet refuse to adhere to UN resolutions themselves. This is not the Mid-east according to Israel. They are democratically elected party with seats in the Lebanese Parliament and can not be eradicated, removed, destroyed as Israel has failed to do, so now it is going for international help, the UN,to help do its dirty work and for the first time and yet very surprisingly the UN has told them NO.
    When has the UN ever done anyones dirty work...let alone the Europeans led by the French. Give me a break!
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  • brianjd
    brianjd Posts: 201
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Agree... what political party has their own militia? Leastwise, in a political system other than our own (Western Democracies).
    The only thing that I would question is the legitimacy of Hezbollah... I mean, after all, there were a lot of people who voted them into power. What does this say about Democracy in the Middle East? I guess, there are a lot of people over there who agree with their political views.
    In Iraq... we are seeing the same thing happening with the Shi'ite militias of Al Sadr. If, or when, he and/or his party win democratically held elections... it is Hezbollah all over again.

    Most Islamophiles just will never see the point. UN 1559 passed by the international community, including the Europeans, called for the not disarming of all non-state militias in Lebanon. Not only was this resolution followed, the militias were allowed to received billions of dollars of weapons from State actors; Syria and Iran, by way of Lebanon. It is too bad that the Arab nations cannot get their rogue elements in line with International Law. This is the result. If Hizbollah should be allowed to keep its arms and militias, why shoudln't Al Qaeda?
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Hizbollah has popular support within Lebanon, more so than they had before the Israeli invasion, as the people saw Hizbollah defending them from Israeli aggression. Also, and perhaps more importantly, they have political support within Lebanon. Its not a foreign group of terrrorist operating like the Contras with absolutely no popular support, they are more of a militia.
  • brianjd
    brianjd Posts: 201
    Commy wrote:
    I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Hizbollah has popular support within Lebanon, more so than they had before the Israeli invasion, as the people saw Hizbollah defending them from Israeli aggression. Also, and perhaps more importantly, they have political support within Lebanon. Its not a foreign group of terrrorist operating like the Contras with absolutely no popular support, they are more of a militia.
    Call them what you want. The UN has called them an illegally armed militia and required the government to disarm them. You are either going to enforce International Law or you aren't. Being popular and having guns does not give them legitimacy. There are groups in this country who are very popular in the regions they are from. Just go to a militia camp in Michigan and you will see it for yourselves. Hezbollah can contribute meaningfully to a Lebaneese governement through elections and politics like we do here in the West. If they choose to live by their own rules...they will die by their own rules.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    brianjd wrote:
    Call them what you want. The UN has called them an illegally armed militia and required the government to disarm them. You are either going to enforce International Law or you aren't. Being popular and having guns does not give them legitimacy. There are groups in this country who are very popular in the regions they are from. Just go to a militia camp in Michigan and you will see it for yourselves. Hezbollah can contribute meaningfully to a Lebaneese governement through elections and politics like we do here in the West. If they choose to live by their own rules...they will die by their own rules.
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    The homegrown militias in the U.S. are usually staunchly anti-Government... they hate the government, yet, embrace the Constitutiuon that creates it. I think they want the place run the way they see it.
    Hezbollah is a legitimate political faction... imagine the Democratic or Republican parties with their own armed militias. That's crazy... to us. Maybe in the Middle East, it's business as usual.
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  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    brianjd wrote:
    When has the UN ever done anyones dirty work...let alone the Europeans led by the French. Give me a break!

    The UN has always favored Israel, according to a study of Marc Weller, University of Cambridge found that israel has enjoyed a "virtual immunity" from enforcement measures such as an arms embargo and economic sanctions typically adopted by the UN against member states condemned for indentical violations against international law. (Finkelstein xviii) And for the first time in a very long time the UN has refused to bow to israel, they have said NO we will not do your dirty work (to disarm Hizbollah, a democratically elected party, now with increasing favor across the Mid-east) which you have failed at.
  • brianlajd04
    brianlajd04 Posts: 8
    purrmo wrote:
    The UN has always favored Israel, according to a study of Marc Weller, University of Cambridge found that israel has enjoyed a "virtual immunity" from enforcement measures such as an arms embargo and economic sanctions typically adopted by the UN against member states condemned for indentical violations against international law. (Finkelstein xviii) And for the first time in a very long time the UN has refused to bow to israel, they have said NO we will not do your dirty work (to disarm Hizbollah, a democratically elected party, now with increasing favor across the Mid-east) which you have failed at.
    Were talking about enforcing them. THey havent the balls to enforce any of their BS resolutions which is a large reason we find ourselves in Iraq. Tired of hearing about the UN. Grow a pair is what I say

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