Anti Zionism is Anti Semitism
brianjd
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Dont listen to me..."Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism"
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.
"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.
"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.
This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.
"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!
"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.
Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."
From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend," Saturday Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967)
Listen to him
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.
"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.
"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.
This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.
"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!
"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.
Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."
From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend," Saturday Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967)
Listen to him
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"All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land." -MLK, Jr0
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How is a speech by MLK faith based politics?Kenny Olav wrote:"All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land." -MLK, Jr______________
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Ever watch the show American Gladiators? I am not even exaggerating one bit when I say that I sat down and had a long conversation with Sabre one night at a cigar bar in the irvine spectrum center. He's one of the black guys from the show. We had a long debate about this and that. Anyway, this thread just reminds me of when he said that the MLK speech on boondocks was one of the greatest moments in TV history. If you haven't seen that episode of the boondocks, it has a scene where MLK gets up in front of a church congregation and starts ruthlessly slagging the state of black culture these days. And I'm sure MLK would make that speech today if he were around. He and Larry Elder would whip the black population into shape.0
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was one smart dudesponger wrote:Ever watch the show American Gladiators? I am not even exaggerating one bit when I say that I sat down and had a long conversation with Sabre one night at a cigar bar in the irvine spectrum center. He's one of the black guys from the show. We had a long debate about this and that. Anyway, this thread just reminds me of when he said that the MLK speech on boondocks was one of the greatest moments in TV history. If you haven't seen that episode of the boondocks, it has a scene where MLK gets up in front of a church congregation and starts ruthlessly slagging the state of black culture these days. And I'm sure MLK would make that speech today if he were around. He and Larry Elder would whip the black population into shape.______________
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Just because a guy makes one great speech doesn't mean they all are.
Personally I think that speech is ignorant.
MLK is obviously a bigot himself. Assuming that all mankind believes in god or should and therefor god's law is man's law. It is not so, I find it highly prejudice. I no longer respect Mr. King as I did before. In a world where all people were created equal there is no god's people.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:Just because a guy makes one great speech doesn't mean they all are.
Personally I think that speech is ignorant.
MLK is obviously a bigot himself. Assuming that all mankind believes in god or should and therefor god's law is man's law. It is not so, I find it highly prejudice. I no longer respect Mr. King as I did before. In a world where all people were created equal there is no god's people.
I never thought Id see the day when MLK was called a racist. I guess anyone who stands up for Jews is a racist then....______________
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brianjd wrote:I guess anyone who stands up for Jews is a racist then....
Not everyone who stands up for jews does so because jews are "god's chosen people."0 -
brianjd wrote:I never thought Id see the day when MLK was called a racist. I guess anyone who stands up for Jews is a racist then....
I'm not calling him racist for standing up for jews. He's prejudice for using god's law as an arguement. Trying to justify Zionism by saying they are God's people. I have no god. God does not exist in my mind. Get it? He only exists in MLK's mind and your mind.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:Just because a guy makes one great speech doesn't mean they all are.
Personally I think that speech is ignorant.
MLK is obviously a bigot himself. Assuming that all mankind believes in god or should and therefor god's law is man's law. It is not so, I find it highly prejudice. I no longer respect Mr. King as I did before. In a world where all people were created equal there is no god's people.
I agree that it's ignorant. notice that nowhere in that speech did he mention the displacement of the Palestinian Arabs that had been living there for centuries? in fact he never even mentions them at all...as if these people didn't even exist....*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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has less to do with the content of the speech. Dr. King was a reverend after all and the Bible contains a new and an old testament. he was reflecting his opinion and casting in terms of his religious beliefts. they wre his views. im not a person who believes in the bible either nor do i believe that any one people on this earth is chosen over another. we are all gods children. this was simply a man stating his opinion that hate can take many different forms.Ahnimus wrote:I'm not calling him racist for standing up for jews. He's prejudice for using god's law as an arguement. Trying to justify Zionism by saying they are God's people. I have no god. God does not exist in my mind. Get it? He only exists in MLK's mind and your mind.______________
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prism wrote:I agree that it's ignorant. notice that nowhere in that speech did he mention the displacement of the Palestinian Arabs that had been living there for centuries? in fact he never even mentions them at all...as if these people didn't even exist....
You mean the ones that left voluntarily?0 -
Yeah, it's his opinion. And an ignorant one at that. I'm not trying to take away anything that MLK did for minorities in the US; he did much. But that speech you posted is just what some people said before me: ignorant and prejudice. I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that MLK was infallible and that everything he said rang of truth.
Using God as justification for anything will not and should not float on a diplomatic level. The ancient conflict in the holy land will not be solved by simply handing it over to it's rightful people.
What's funny is that he uses Jewish texts to prove they are have rightful claim to the land. I can write down on a piece of paper that god told me that I have claim to your computer. I can even have a group of people that believe what I wrote. I bet you won't give it to me.Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.0 -
Americans never cease to amaze me...______________
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Last time I checked the Arabs including the Palestinians attacked the jews in 1948 causing their own displacement.prism wrote:I agree that it's ignorant. notice that nowhere in that speech did he mention the displacement of the Palestinian Arabs that had been living there for centuries? in fact he never even mentions them at all...as if these people didn't even exist....______________
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And let's not forget that the jews bought that land from the ottomans, brits, and, yes, palestinians. They didn't just parachute in.0
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Are we going to start getting ZOG comments next? I knew this topic would flesh out all the militia types on this board.sponger wrote:And let's not forget that the jews bought that land from the ottomans, brits, and, yes, palestinians. They didn't just parachute in.______________
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brianjd wrote:Are we going to start getting ZOG comments next? I knew this topic would flesh out all the militia types on this board.
wtf are you talking about? You think I have something against people buying land?0 -
They didn't buy the land from anyone. It was given to them by Brittain. But Brittain also promised the Palestinians would be sovereign if they helped overthrow the Ottoman's. The war in 1948 was when Israel decalred independance, officially stealing the land from those who fought for it.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0
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Ahnimus wrote:They didn't buy the land from anyone. It was given to them by Brittain.
Wow. Who did you hear that from? You seem too informed to really believe a statement like that.0
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