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"USA biggest threat to world peace". discuss.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    disagree
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    We may not be the biggest threat to world peace but certainly seem to think we've cornered the market on creating it through fighting wars.

    Many a profits to be had.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    the US isn't much of a threat to me...
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
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    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    as 1/300,000,000th of the USA, i'd like to comment: is world peace something that happens during the World Series?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jeffbr wrote:
    What a unique topic! We've certainly never had anything like this discussed here! A truely refreshing change. 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    Wow, how long did it take you to do that? I'm impressed!

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    g under p wrote:
    Wow, how long did it take you to do that? I'm impressed!

    Peace

    Cut & paste. Took about 20 seconds! ;)
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    as 1/300,000,000th of the USA, i'd like to comment: is world peace something that happens during the World Series?


    Nah, usually the Olympics. ;)
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Nah, usually the Olympics. ;)

    glad you said usually, that little thing in munich was kinda teetering on not peaceful.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Humans are the biggest threat to world peace.

    The US just happens to be the biggest, most influential country in the world right now, and with a bonehead leader, we get involved in more shit then we should. But if the US wasn't in the picture, there would be other power hungry leaders involved in the same crap.
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  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    Byrnzie wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm

    this article is actually what made me post.

    im not trying to rehash an argument about US policy, just wanted to see what peoples reactions were to this perception of america based on the survey of over 15,000 people worldwide....i know its only a survey but still.

    just said id throw it out there cos most of the people who post here seem to be american.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JordyWordy wrote:
    this article is actually what made me post.

    im not trying to rehash an argument about US policy, just wanted to see what peoples reactions were to this perception of america based on the survey of over 15,000 people worldwide....i know its only a survey but still.

    just said id throw it out there cos most of the people who post here seem to be american.

    Well, let's take a look at what ole Georgie boy has said today about the fact that Iran has been shown not to be developing nuclear weapons....

    "Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," he said.

    Well, there we are then! Iran will remain dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. Therefore, we must destroy Iran until we can be sure that nobody is left alive there with the knowledge to make a nuclear weapon.
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Humans are the biggest threat to world peace.

    The US just happens to be the biggest, most influential country in the world right now, and with a bonehead leader, we get involved in more shit then we should. But if the US wasn't in the picture, there would be other power hungry leaders involved in the same crap.

    I agree. I doubt things would be any better if another country was in the US's place. But I don't think humans are the biggest threat to world peace, politics, money and religion are the biggest threats to world peace.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Would very much depend on what you exactly mean by "world peace". That's a very vague concept. Identifying hindrances to vague concepts is hard, as you would need to know exactly what your own concept was first, before one can look to implement it.

    But a suggestion from myself, as I understand world peace, I'd say the biggest obstacle is the realpolitik going on between states that hasn't changed since feudal Europe in essence, meaning everyone tries to get away with as much as possible and screw everyone else. Our world is Machiavellian. US is the biggest, most blatant actor among the states, but they behave no different than others to "preserve their way of life". Furthermore, the imbalance between amount of people and amount of resources will always be good to disturb the peace.

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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Kann wrote:
    I agree. I doubt things would be any better if another country was in the US's place. But I don't think humans are the biggest threat to world peace, politics, money and religion are the biggest threats to world peace.

    i disagree, the way PEOPLE value politics (power), money and religion are the biggest threats to the world. Politics, money and religion only have the power over us that we give them.

    finally, world peace is the biggest joke. the reason is that everyone has a different view of what world peace would look like.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Humans are the biggest threat to world peace.

    The US just happens to be the biggest, most influential country in the world right now, and with a bonehead leader, we get involved in more shit then we should. But if the US wasn't in the picture, there would be other power hungry leaders involved in the same crap.

    Well said.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Humans are the biggest threat to world peace.

    The US just happens to be the biggest, most influential country in the world right now, and with a bonehead leader, we get involved in more shit then we should. But if the US wasn't in the picture, there would be other power hungry leaders involved in the same crap.
    Nature (and politics) abhors a vacuum. Someone would step up to the plate, if the U.S. didn't exist....
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I not sure it's a good idea to automatically assume the next country would act the exact same way. It's definitely out of balance at the moment. I wouldn't accept what's going on now as normal by any means, and I think it would be a grave mistake to relax attitudes in this regard.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I not sure it's a good idea to automatically assume the next country would act the exact same way. It's definitely out of balance at the moment. I wouldn't accept what's going on now as normal by any means, and I think it would be a grave mistake to relax attitudes in this regard.

    Just look at history my friend. The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Persian, Chinese, Spanish, British, Germans, and Japanese all did what we are doing now, some in more brutal ways and to a greater extent. If the US where not the super power another country would surely fill that role. History has proven this time and time again.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I not sure it's a good idea to automatically assume the next country would act the exact same way. It's definitely out of balance at the moment. I wouldn't accept what's going on now as normal by any means, and I think it would be a grave mistake to relax attitudes in this regard.
    True......they would act exactly like the U.S., but a bully by any other name is still a bully.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Just look at history my friend. The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Persian, Chinese, Spanish, British, Germans, and Japanese all did what we are doing now, some in more brutal ways and to a greater extent. If the US where not the super power another country would surely fill that role. History has proven this time and time again.


    That was then this is now. A lot has changed over the years. War is not considered acceptable policy anymore....the stakes are too high. Everything is connected by the second now, and it never was this way in the past.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That was then this is now. A lot has changed over the years. War is not considered acceptable policy anymore....the stakes are too high. Everything is connected by the second now, and it never was this way in the past.

    True but a super power has little worry about if the rest of the globe dissapproves of their actions. If Russia or China where in our shoes their behavior would be no different than ours.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    True but a super power has little worry about if the rest of the globe dissapproves of their actions. If Russia or China where in our shoes their behavior would be no different than ours.

    I'm not entirely convinced, European culture is not as John Wayne as the America's are.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not entirely convinced, European culture is not as John Wayne as the America's are.

    I had no idea China was part of European culture.

    You're fooling yourself if you think that world peace will automatically occur if the US cleans up its act. As has been mentioned one only needs to look at history. Your claim that we're living in different times is meaningless. Every point in history is different from a previous point. Every generation is living in a different time that the previous.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not entirely convinced, European culture is not as John Wayne as the America's are.

    me either, i cant really see any european country becoming a superpower (not just because of their small scale, but also european values, beliefs, and overall connection of euro countries cos of EU etc) ....so i suppose the european "power" would be the EU.

    it seems inherent by nature that a country who attempts to or does become a superpower will have to be antagonistic...

    does it have to be the case that their will always be a country exerting its political weight outside its own jurisdiction? its a different world now than before alright, but is it THAT different?
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    War is not considered acceptable policy anymore....the stakes are too high.
    By whom??? The Swiss?? Maoist rebels throughout the world still seem to find it acceptable......so does the Taliban in Afghanistan.....so do the groups fighting in the area known as Somalia.....Ethiopia and Eriteria have both sent troops into the fields recently....several other areas of Africa have various armed bodies parading through them.....oh, ask the Chechnyans whether the Russians still consider war an acceptable policy.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    jeffbr wrote:
    You're fooling yourself if you think that world peace will automatically occur if the US cleans up its act. As has been mentioned one only needs to look at history. Your claim that we're living in different times is meaningless. Every point in history is different from a previous point. Every generation is living in a different time that the previous.

    im confused, are you saying that people do or dont learn from the past / history?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not entirely convinced, European culture is not as John Wayne as the America's are.

    Since when has China or even Russia been a part of European culture?

    Every empire in history has fallen only to be replaced by another. Someday US hegemony will fall only to be replaced by another superpower, from the looks of it probably China.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    tybird wrote:
    By whom??? The Swiss?? Maoist rebels throughout the world still seem to find it acceptable......so does the Taliban in Afghanistan.....so do the groups fighting in the area known as Somalia.....Ethiopia and Eriteria have both sent troops into the fields recently....several other areas of Africa have various armed bodies parading through them.....oh, ask the Chechnyans whether the Russians still consider war an acceptable policy.

    all good examples but that sounded as if it was meant as a Western standard. War does not appear to be considered acceptable in Europe in general - the response throughout europe regarding Iraq was fairly unanimous.

    but yes, Russia can be distinguished from the rest of europe for the past 15 years on the basis of Chechnya, and also Serbia
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