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Obama Dual Citzenship Question

bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
I would really like Senator Obama to explain exactly what he was doing traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s (he was 20 something attending Columbia, you know the transcripts that he won't let be made public) using his Indonesian Passport and not his USA papers. Dual citzenship at that age would be a major issue for someone wishing to be president in his 40s. I have searched around and never found a good answer from him other then him admitting that he had been when he was younger.
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  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    bigdvs wrote:
    I would really like Senator Obama to explain exactly what he was doing traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s (he was 20 something attending Columbia, you know the transcripts that he won't let be made public) using his Indonesian Passport and not his USA papers. Dual citzenship at that age would be a major issue for someone wishing to be president in his 40s. I have searched around and never found a good answer from him other then him admitting that he had been when he was younger.

    Relax. There are more important things to worry about.
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    bigdvs wrote:
    I would really like Senator Obama to explain exactly what he was doing traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s (he was 20 something attending Columbia, you know the transcripts that he won't let be made public) using his Indonesian Passport and not his USA papers. Dual citzenship at that age would be a major issue for someone wishing to be president in his 40s. I have searched around and never found a good answer from him other then him admitting that he had been when he was younger.

    Don't the candidates submit information to the FBI/CIA for background checks?

    The way I look at it is that probably someone with authority has actually done a background check on all the candidates and ruled out any terrorists.
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,762
    he was concocting a plan with Osama bin Laden to someday seize control of the American presidency, then shoot all the ICBM's straight in the air.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    from the art of peace:

    never question another's intent, it will devour your own heart....trust in the elements as they line up in a cosmic flow...

    light will reveal truth...
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    he's the ultimate sleeper agent, and we have all been fooled!
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    MayDay10 wrote:
    he was concocting a plan with Osama bin Laden to someday seize control of the American presidency, then shoot all the ICBM's straight in the air.

    The question is in regards to holding dual citzenship as a college student, not the absolutely ridiculous assumption that he was trained by OBL. But pretty much like anything else about this candidate talking seriously about one issue is just impossible its just constant deflection and assumption that this question was some how related to fears of terrorism or hidden muslim beliefs on the part of the canidate.

    The constitution prevents people like Arnold Schwartzenegger from ever being President, how is this different? Its never really been asked or properly explained to an extent that I can see to the public.
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • drivingrldrivingrl Posts: 1,448
    anotherclone wrote:
    Don't the candidates submit information to the FBI/CIA for background checks?

    The way I look at it is that probably someone with authority has actually done a background check on all the candidates and ruled out any terrorists.

    And if that isn't the case, we have muuuuuuch bigger problems on our hands. lol
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  • drivingrldrivingrl Posts: 1,448
    bigdvs wrote:
    The question is in regards to holding dual citzenship as a college student, not the absolutely ridiculous assumption that he was trained by OBL. But pretty much like anything else about this candidate talking seriously about one issue is just impossible its just constant deflection and assumption that this question was some how related to fears of terrorism or hidden muslim beliefs on the part of the canidate.

    The constitution prevents people like Arnold Schwartzenegger from ever being President, how is this different? Its never really been asked or properly explained to an extent that I can see to the public.

    He was born in the United States, and Obama's mother (please correct me if I'm wrong) is American, so he qualifies:

    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
    drivingrl: "Will I ever get to meet Gwen Stefani?"
    kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.

    Next!"
  • n2integrityn2integrity Posts: 77
    If you have dual citizenship and you are travelling to the Middle East - I suggest you do use your non-American passport. It doesn't make you any less of a USA citizen - it just is easier in terms of obtaining visas etc.
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    n2integrity wrote:
    If you have dual citizenship and you are travelling to the Middle East - I suggest you do use your non-American passport. It doesn't make you any less of a USA citizen - it just is easier in terms of obtaining visas etc.

    And makes you less likely to be kidnapped.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    bigdvs wrote:
    I would really like Senator Obama to explain exactly what he was doing traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s (he was 20 something attending Columbia, you know the transcripts that he won't let be made public) using his Indonesian Passport and not his USA papers. Dual citzenship at that age would be a major issue for someone wishing to be president in his 40s. I have searched around and never found a good answer from him other then him admitting that he had been when he was younger.

    why would you like him to explain...?

    what's the big deal...?
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I always find stuff like this interesting... Not as interesting as the more outlandish conspiracy suggestions like Area 51, the Jesus bloodline, and the Free Masons, but it is interesting nonetheless.
    the Minions
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    I always find stuff like this interesting... Not as interesting as the more outlandish conspiracy suggestions like Area 51, the Jesus bloodline, and the Free Masons, but it is interesting nonetheless.
    Since when have the freemasons been considered a conspiracy theory?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    maybe i'm missing something, but what is the point of this thread?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    MrSmith wrote:
    maybe i'm missing something, but what is the point of this thread?


    Nope... you're not missing anything.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    I heard he had triple citizenship -- U.S., Indonesian, and Kenyan -- and that he used his Kenyan passport in the early 90's to travel to Candyland.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Nevermind wrote:
    Since when have the freemasons been considered a conspiracy theory?

    They rule the world. They have secrets on the back of the dollar bill.

    C'mon stay current:)
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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    They rule the world. They have secrets on the back of the dollar bill.

    C'mon stay current:)
    Their symbols are all over the back. They may not rule the world but they have power.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    what are the free masons? where do they originate ?
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    melodious wrote:
    what are the free masons? where do they originate ?
    they build stuff out of rocks. but they arent free, they charge a lot.
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    melodious wrote:
    what are the free masons? where do they originate ?
    They originated in Europe. The Irish and Scottish are probably the oldest.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_masons
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Im not an expert but supposedly there's a history of the Freemasons joining them with the Knights of the Templar to protect the family of Christ etc. And almost all politicians past and present of any relevance as well as people of vast power and influence are all Freemasons.

    I believe both candidates are Freemasons as well

    Edit: apparently McCain is not a Mason
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Nope... you're not missing anything.
    oh ok thats what i thought.
  • supersonicyearssupersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    I always find stuff like this interesting... Not as interesting as the more outlandish conspiracy suggestions like Area 51, the Jesus bloodline, and the Free Masons, but it is interesting nonetheless.
    What's the outlandish conspiracy suggestion for the Jesus bloodline?
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    TheBeach wrote:
    What's the outlandish conspiracy suggestion for the Jesus bloodline?

    the Davinci Code stuff
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  • supersonicyearssupersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    the Davinci Code stuff
    That would be outlandish and fictional. I always wonder how many times Davinci has spun in his grave over that
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    bigdvs wrote:
    I would really like Senator Obama to explain exactly what he was doing traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s (he was 20 something attending Columbia, you know the transcripts that he won't let be made public) using his Indonesian Passport and not his USA papers. Dual citzenship at that age would be a major issue for someone wishing to be president in his 40s. I have searched around and never found a good answer from him other then him admitting that he had been when he was younger.
    Paranoid?
  • RiderRider Posts: 129
    His roommate in school was Pakastani. You know the one they assigned him. He visited the country with him on a break. Oh my, how diabolical. I would travel to the mid-east on any non-american passport too, if I had one. I guess it's his fault his mom moved to a foriegn country too huh?
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    TheBeach wrote:
    That would be outlandish and fictional. I always wonder how many times Davinci has spun in his grave over that

    yeah, god knows we can't let fiction go screwing around in our belief systems...
    the Minions
  • Rats of MultaRats of Multa Posts: 250
    TheBeach wrote:
    That would be outlandish and fictional. I always wonder how many times Davinci has spun in his grave over that


    8 times.
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
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