Why are we fighting Iraq??? I thought everyone had an idea.

Byrnzie

FredFlintstone wrote:

Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, Feith, Addington, Libby & Rice

How could you examine that group of people and think we INVADED iraq for another but the spread of freedom!

sat it with me....braveheart style.....FRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEDOOOM

Tuuurrrniiiipppppssss!!!! :eek:

Cosmo

The removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq was a good idea. The METHOD we employed to complete that task was all wrong.
We used deceit to garner support for our unilateral approach. We took the easy way... any fucking idiot with a gun can point it at you and demand money, but it takes a really smart guy to convince you that it is a good thing for you to give him your money simply by making the right arguements. We did NOT consider the worst case scenario and only planned for the best case.
A better method WOULD have been one that convinced the Arab neighbors that Saddam out of their neighborhood was a good thing and that we would help THEM get rid of him. We would still supply the heavy firepower, but it would be up to them to help mount an INSURGENCY AGAINST HUSSEIN and his supporters. Put them in charge of the policing and public relations stuff. Arabs have a better undstanding of Arabs (and Persians) than we do.
It WOULD have also been a good method to convince our ALLIES that a stable Middle East will help them with their economic growth and that they should help with the removal of Hussein. That would have lifted the heavy burden we have placed on our soldiers by tasking them to be pseudo-soldier cops.
And convince the U.N. to nation build. That what those fuckers are supposed to do... make the mother fuckers do their goddamn job. We are not in the business of nation building.
But, all of that requires hard work by intelligent leaders over a longer period. Instead, we chose the easy, guns blazing cowboy way because this whole thing had to be wrapped up before the 2004 election. That was the timetable we were working to. Get in there, kick ass, topple statues, capture/kill Hussein, greeted with kisses, land on an Aircraft Carrier and declare Victory, big homecoming parade in New York, campaign speeches from Ground Zero, landslide victory in November of 2004, take in massive oil profits by selling Iraqui oil to China and India at increased prices. That was the plan... there was no contigency plan.
And now, we have to deal with our poor decision making. This is OUR War and it is OUR responsibility to fix it. We are the ones who blew up the fucking shit, we are the ones tat need to fix the fucking shit. And we're the ones who have to PAY for the fucking shit.

Nevermind

DMITCH8080 wrote:

Your a mess!!! Sadam was a dictator and he had supreme power over Iraq...Right? Sure he did....Anyway, he invaded Kuwait and our government was aware he a loose cannon!!!! Regulation over him developing weapons of mass destruction (nukes, chemicals weapons, whatever) he ignored so we went in and took him out!!!! It is simple, we went in to remove a dictator from power!!!! Thats all.......The end results will be better than leaving him in power trust me.

We went to remove a dictator? Well Saddam is gone and were still there. Were also in control of all the oil. George is control of the oil companies.

rightondude

Screw the oil, why don't we just start harvesting Iraqi's directly?

Think of how cheap soap could be!

mpg82

Who gives a fuck. Fuck Iraq. As soon as Bush is gone they'll come home.

Byrnzie

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Who gives a fuck. Fuck Iraq. As soon as Bush is gone they'll come home.

You took the words right out of my arse!

FredFlintstone

Cosmo wrote:

The removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq was a good idea. The METHOD we employed to complete that task was all wrong.
We used deceit to garner support for our unilateral approach. We took the easy way... any fucking idiot with a gun can point it at you and demand money, but it takes a really smart guy to convince you that it is a good thing for you to give him your money simply by making the right arguements. We did NOT consider the worst case scenario and only planned for the best case.
A better method WOULD have been one that convinced the Arab neighbors that Saddam out of their neighborhood was a good thing and that we would help THEM get rid of him. We would still supply the heavy firepower, but it would be up to them to help mount an INSURGENCY AGAINST HUSSEIN and his supporters. Put them in charge of the policing and public relations stuff. Arabs have a better undstanding of Arabs (and Persians) than we do.
It WOULD have also been a good method to convince our ALLIES that a stable Middle East will help them with their economic growth and that they should help with the removal of Hussein. That would have lifted the heavy burden we have placed on our soldiers by tasking them to be pseudo-soldier cops.
And convince the U.N. to nation build. That what those fuckers are supposed to do... make the mother fuckers do their goddamn job. We are not in the business of nation building.
But, all of that requires hard work by intelligent leaders over a longer period. Instead, we chose the easy, guns blazing cowboy way because this whole thing had to be wrapped up before the 2004 election. That was the timetable we were working to. Get in there, kick ass, topple statues, capture/kill Hussein, greeted with kisses, land on an Aircraft Carrier and declare Victory, big homecoming parade in New York, campaign speeches from Ground Zero, landslide victory in November of 2004, take in massive oil profits by selling Iraqui oil to China and India at increased prices. That was the plan... there was no contigency plan.
And now, we have to deal with our poor decision making. This is OUR War and it is OUR responsibility to fix it. We are the ones who blew up the fucking shit, we are the ones tat need to fix the fucking shit. And we're the ones who have to PAY for the fucking shit.

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But what is 5 BILLION a week when the deficit is close to 1 TRILLION

rightondude

FredFlintstone wrote:

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But what is 5 BILLION a week when the deficit is close to 1 TRILLION

a trillion?!? hmm...try a little higher than that:

http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html

the US dollar is now worth a measly 4 cents since it's creation!

FredFlintstone

rightondude wrote:

a trillion?!? hmm...try a little higher than that:

http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html

the US dollar is now worth a measly 4 cents since it's creation!

Oops...typo.. I meant 10 TRILLION.
And the Republican Congress just keeps rewriting the law to spend more and more.

rightondude

FredFlintstone wrote:

Oops...typo.. I meant 10 TRILLION.
And the Republican Congress just keeps rewriting the law to spend more and more.

You're an optimist subconsciously

and yes...a good bush quote:

"the constitution is just a goddamn peice of paper"

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

rightondude

"I don't give a goddamn, I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
- George Bush

Every federal official * including the President * who takes an oath of office swears to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States." :eek: :eek: :eek: