So the fact that you have done many good things justifies you to do many bad things.
absolutely not. I never even came close to justifiing the horrible actions for a few rogue soldiers. which is what they are. its not america policy to car bombs vegetable markets. now is it?
At this point it ceirtainly appears that the US is doing alot more harm than good in the world. And im sure they are doing some wonderfull things but to me the war and carnage that is going on in Irak dampens any effort of goodwill that they can provide. And frankly it makes them look like hypocrits. Its very sad, because I know most of the people in America are good.
the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.
shows how little you know. do you have any idea what China is doing? obviously not.
Yes i'm well aware of china i have told you before that i think they will be the next super power. If i remember correctly you got upset by that.
But just because all these other coutries do wrong things to does not take away the fact that America does wrong things.
But you always try to justify it.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i can agree that America has done some disgraceful and some positive things. Can you agree that Kanada has done virtually every disgraceful thing America has done or been complicite with America in them?
Seriously i'm just trying to figure out where people stand here.
Are you all just America haters or do you recognize the fact that pretty much every country on Earth that has existed for more than 200 years and has had any degree of power has done the same things? Do any of you recognize the fact that when 90% of foreigners come on here to relentlessly bash the US some AMericans that actually love their home nation are going to defend it and point out good things there country is responsible for as well as point out bad things your country is responsible for?
i do appreciate that many americans get very defensive when someone says anything remotely bad about it ... it's too bad because that response indicates to me that person isn't really listening ... they are just reacting ... internet or not - you can sense the anger in the response ... responding from a place rooted in anger rarely shows objectiveness ...
canada is no beacon of liberty - no one claims it to be and i can assure you that if you post anything bad about my country - i will most likely agree with your synopsis ... but to your point - we don't even come close to having the history or influence the US does ... so, it's an awfully pale comparison ...
the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.
one of the first areas of spending and continued expense has been the building of large military bases in iraq ... ones that are still under construction - how can you plan to leave yet build all these permanent bases?
thats what i'm fucking asking you. do you think that America has any redeemable qualities? a simple fucking question
Ok mate, no need to get so angry, what is it with you people?
Why don't you tell me a truth about England and see if i throw a hissy fit.
Of course America is not all bad, hell i've visited twice in the last two years.
But that does not make all the things that America is doing right now fine and dandy.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Yes i'm well aware of china i have told you before that i think they will be the next super power. If i remember correctly you got upset by that.
wow you lost me here tiny. you are well aware of what they are doing and think they are the next super power? still sounds like you have no fucking clue. china is funding much of the evil in the world yet you turn a blind eye to. actually you dont, you just have no clue what china is doing.
china already is a super power but they will never pass the US. well maybe if the communist regime falls. but I dont see that happening.
one of the first areas of spending and continued expense has been the building of large military bases in iraq ... ones that are still under construction - how can you plan to leave yet build all these permanent bases?
we have bases all over the world yet somehow those countries seem to run themselves. this will be no different.
we don't even come close to having the history or influence the US does ... so, it's an awfully pale comparison ...
sounds awfully defensive and ignorant to me. I do believe there were Natives living in Canada before Europeans, too. wonder what happened to them? You don't have the influence or scale, but you quietly follow along with everything the US controlled west does (except Iraq, good job!) because you know that whatever America does, Canada will benefit as well.
what the fuck is wrong with you? I never justify bad actions of rogue soldiers. which is what this thread is about.
Ok you just point out that other countries are bad to, so why is everyone picking on America.
Plus again whats with all the anger, we were having a conversation then you also threw a hissy fit.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
we have bases all over the world yet somehow those countries seem to run themselves. this will be no different.
well ... the point is you aren't leaving - and when you factor in the bs propaganada about iran - what better place to launch an attack then on the two countries neighbouring iran ...
Of course America is not all bad, hell i've visited twice in the last two years.
ack! you almost said something positive! Goddamnit you English are a negative bunch. I would think that since you are on the American developed internet on a message board dedicated to and American band, something positive about america would spring to mind.
I want you to know that I'm not giving up on you though. You keep tryin'
well ... the point is you aren't leaving - and when you factor in the bs propaganada about iran - what better place to launch an attack then on the two countries neighbouring iran ...
you are misunderstand the meaning of "leaving". at some point we will not have 160,000 troops in the country. they will LEAVE.. some will stay and live on bases much like we do in Germany and Japan and south korea. I feel dumber for having to explain this to you
What is a complete disgrace is the miscarriage of justice. These men MURDERED 24 innocent people (children included). The videos that found their way all over the place cleary showed that. This was not a 'mistake', in the heat of battle... it was plain and simple murder and should have been tried as such. Not negligent homicide.... a real whitewash.
sounds awfully defensive and ignorant to me. I do believe there were Natives living in Canada before Europeans, too. wonder what happened to them? You don't have the influence or scale, but you quietly follow along with everything the US controlled west does (except Iraq, good job!) because you know that whatever America does, Canada will benefit as well.
ha! ... can you point out anything in my post that was defensive or ignorant??
did i say anything about natives? ... go ahead and feel free to dig up all the nasties you can about canada and again - like i said previously, i will agree!! ... but, dude - when you put canada's influence on the rest of the world vs. the US - it's not even close ... we're not even in the top 30 in population ... gripes - burma has more people then us ...
What is a complete disgrace is the miscarriage of justice. These men MURDERED 24 innocent people (children included). The videos that found their way all over the place cleary showed that. This was not a 'mistake', in the heat of battle... it was plain and simple murder and should have been tried as such. Not negligent homicide.... a real whitewash.
oh yeah back to the topic it is total bullshit. Dropped into hell or no, that doesn't give one the right to slaughter unarmed people.
ack! you almost said something positive! Goddamnit you English are a negative bunch. I would think that since you are on the American developed internet on a message board dedicated to and American band, something positive about america would spring to mind.
I want you to know that I'm not giving up on you though. You keep tryin'
You americans are an angry defensive bunch.
This really isn't about your inventions or your bands it's about your goverments foriegn policy. Which quite frankly stinks but you just keep on defending it till the ship sinks.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you are misunderstand the meaning of "leaving". at some point we will not have 160,000 troops in the country. they will LEAVE.. some will stay and live on bases much like we do in Germany and Japan and south korea. I feel dumber for having to explain this to you
is it not possible for you to engage in a discussion without appearing to be a jack ass?? ... i don't really care myself - but it often weakens your point when you resort to things like this in general ...
you obviously are misunderstanding my point - i understand you have bases throughout the world - have you ever thought to ask yourself why they are there? ... especially how it pertains to iraqi people?
wow you lost me here tiny. you are well aware of what they are doing and think they are the next super power? still sounds like you have no fucking clue. china is funding much of the evil in the world yet you turn a blind eye to. actually you dont, you just have no clue what china is doing.
china already is a super power but they will never pass the US. well maybe if the communist regime falls. but I dont see that happening.
Well i'm not so sure they won't surpass the US, but time will tell on that one. Every dog has it's day.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
communism doesnt work. if they become a free a country, I might be concerned. but they may never happen in our lifetimes.
Its a big country with insane amounts of resources and huge motivated workforce, not to mention a favorable trade situation with the rest of the world. Even with communist inefficiency, they could still overcome that to become more powerful than the US. Plus there could be a debate about how communist it is. I'd say its more of a garden variety dictatorship now or soon.
absolutely not. I never even came close to justifiing the horrible actions for a few rogue soldiers. which is what they are. its not america policy to car bombs vegetable markets. now is it?
the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.
Of course they asked you to stay, they were incapable of handling that situation. One that the US started. And as some one else pointed out there are permanent bases being buit so there are no plans for departure. As long as they are there they will be the ones who dictate the national policies of Irak. If you dont believe me i suggest you do some research on Puerto Rican History and you will find that after 100 plus years they will always have the last word here. Also you cannot compare the german and japan bases. totally different circumstances.
Of course they asked you to stay, they were incapable of handling that situation. One that the US started. And as some one else pointed out there are permanent bases being buit so there are no plans for departure. As long as they are there they will be the ones who dictate the national policies of Irak. If you dont believe me i suggest you do some research on Puerto Rican History and you will find that after 100 plus years they will always have the last word here. Also you cannot compare the german and japan bases. totally different circumstances.
so now Iraq is going to be the next puerto rico? give me a fucking break. talk about bad comparrisons. puerto rico is is a self governing unincorporated territory of the United States with Commonwealth status.
yes the US is building bases. but they will LEAVE. once Iraq can run the country on its own. probably 1-3 years from now. or even faster depending on who comes into office in 08.
and I can compare that to germany and japan. circumstances arent all that different.
Also you cannot compare the german and japan bases. totally different circumstances.
could you clarify this? it doesnt seem that different. i dont think the germans and Japanese wanted us there either. I know a lot of arabs would hate it, but who knows what the situation would be 10 to 20 years from now.
so now Iraq is going to be the next puerto rico? give me a fucking break. yes the US is building bases. but they will LEAVE. once Iraq can run the country on its own. probably 1-3 years from now. or even faster depending on who comes into office in 08.
Im not saying that it will be PR, its just an example of how the US will will stay if it is to their advantage. and having those bases their gives them the muscle to influence in a region. That is not soverienghty. As long as there is oil and problems with Isreal there they will not leave.
and I can compare that to germany and japan. circumstances arent all that different.
totally different situations! First Irak never attacked the US. I dont think I have to give more explanations for that. cmon man
could you clarify this? it doesnt seem that different. i dont think the germans and Japanese wanted us there either. I know a lot of arabs would hate it, but who knows what the situation would be 10 to 20 years from now.
look the US wasnt attcked by Irak. They werent even invited! The Germans had taken over Europe and the Japs attacked the US. It was a world war for christ sake. This was all about taking out a dictator. very different. As for the germans and japanese not wanting us there....well after bombing the shit out of both countries I dont think the the people that were left would have any motivation to kick us out, they did surrender afterall.
The president created this situation. I support the troops. This kid and others have done wrong.. but they were dropped into hell with weapons and heads filled with misinformation. Arest the president, bring the kids home.. Respect the Arabs ability to create a solution and learn to work with them.
Acknowledge our mistakes that resulted from the tragedy of September 11th. That is forgivable, we were hurt. Remove the moron that took over by exploiting our pain. Put someone in dependable enough to make rational decisions when the nation has suffered to the point that they are temporarily irrational.
Just as the nation was - our troops are.. scared, tired and duped. Mistakes were make..
The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole.....Stop digging!
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.
thats what i'm fucking asking you. do you think that America has any redeemable qualities? a simple fucking question
Yes i'm well aware of china i have told you before that i think they will be the next super power. If i remember correctly you got upset by that.
But just because all these other coutries do wrong things to does not take away the fact that America does wrong things.
But you always try to justify it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i do appreciate that many americans get very defensive when someone says anything remotely bad about it ... it's too bad because that response indicates to me that person isn't really listening ... they are just reacting ... internet or not - you can sense the anger in the response ... responding from a place rooted in anger rarely shows objectiveness ...
canada is no beacon of liberty - no one claims it to be and i can assure you that if you post anything bad about my country - i will most likely agree with your synopsis ... but to your point - we don't even come close to having the history or influence the US does ... so, it's an awfully pale comparison ...
one of the first areas of spending and continued expense has been the building of large military bases in iraq ... ones that are still under construction - how can you plan to leave yet build all these permanent bases?
Ok mate, no need to get so angry, what is it with you people?
Why don't you tell me a truth about England and see if i throw a hissy fit.
Of course America is not all bad, hell i've visited twice in the last two years.
But that does not make all the things that America is doing right now fine and dandy.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
china already is a super power but they will never pass the US. well maybe if the communist regime falls. but I dont see that happening.
what the fuck is wrong with you? I never justify bad actions of rogue soldiers. which is what this thread is about.
we have bases all over the world yet somehow those countries seem to run themselves. this will be no different.
sounds awfully defensive and ignorant to me. I do believe there were Natives living in Canada before Europeans, too. wonder what happened to them? You don't have the influence or scale, but you quietly follow along with everything the US controlled west does (except Iraq, good job!) because you know that whatever America does, Canada will benefit as well.
Ok you just point out that other countries are bad to, so why is everyone picking on America.
Plus again whats with all the anger, we were having a conversation then you also threw a hissy fit.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
well ... the point is you aren't leaving - and when you factor in the bs propaganada about iran - what better place to launch an attack then on the two countries neighbouring iran ...
ack! you almost said something positive! Goddamnit you English are a negative bunch. I would think that since you are on the American developed internet on a message board dedicated to and American band, something positive about america would spring to mind.
I want you to know that I'm not giving up on you though. You keep tryin'
you are misunderstand the meaning of "leaving". at some point we will not have 160,000 troops in the country. they will LEAVE.. some will stay and live on bases much like we do in Germany and Japan and south korea. I feel dumber for having to explain this to you
ha! ... can you point out anything in my post that was defensive or ignorant??
did i say anything about natives? ... go ahead and feel free to dig up all the nasties you can about canada and again - like i said previously, i will agree!! ... but, dude - when you put canada's influence on the rest of the world vs. the US - it's not even close ... we're not even in the top 30 in population ... gripes - burma has more people then us ...
oh yeah back to the topic it is total bullshit. Dropped into hell or no, that doesn't give one the right to slaughter unarmed people.
You americans are an angry defensive bunch.
This really isn't about your inventions or your bands it's about your goverments foriegn policy. Which quite frankly stinks but you just keep on defending it till the ship sinks.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
is it not possible for you to engage in a discussion without appearing to be a jack ass?? ... i don't really care myself - but it often weakens your point when you resort to things like this in general ...
you obviously are misunderstanding my point - i understand you have bases throughout the world - have you ever thought to ask yourself why they are there? ... especially how it pertains to iraqi people?
Well i'm not so sure they won't surpass the US, but time will tell on that one. Every dog has it's day.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
communism doesnt work. if they become a free a country, I might be concerned. but they may never happen in our lifetimes.
Its a big country with insane amounts of resources and huge motivated workforce, not to mention a favorable trade situation with the rest of the world. Even with communist inefficiency, they could still overcome that to become more powerful than the US. Plus there could be a debate about how communist it is. I'd say its more of a garden variety dictatorship now or soon.
Of course they asked you to stay, they were incapable of handling that situation. One that the US started. And as some one else pointed out there are permanent bases being buit so there are no plans for departure. As long as they are there they will be the ones who dictate the national policies of Irak. If you dont believe me i suggest you do some research on Puerto Rican History and you will find that after 100 plus years they will always have the last word here. Also you cannot compare the german and japan bases. totally different circumstances.
so now Iraq is going to be the next puerto rico? give me a fucking break. talk about bad comparrisons. puerto rico is is a self governing unincorporated territory of the United States with Commonwealth status.
yes the US is building bases. but they will LEAVE. once Iraq can run the country on its own. probably 1-3 years from now. or even faster depending on who comes into office in 08.
and I can compare that to germany and japan. circumstances arent all that different.
could you clarify this? it doesnt seem that different. i dont think the germans and Japanese wanted us there either. I know a lot of arabs would hate it, but who knows what the situation would be 10 to 20 years from now.
totally different situations! First Irak never attacked the US. I dont think I have to give more explanations for that. cmon man
neither did germany
look the US wasnt attcked by Irak. They werent even invited! The Germans had taken over Europe and the Japs attacked the US. It was a world war for christ sake. This was all about taking out a dictator. very different. As for the germans and japanese not wanting us there....well after bombing the shit out of both countries I dont think the the people that were left would have any motivation to kick us out, they did surrender afterall.
Germany attacked our allies, and was allied with Japan who attacked us.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
American foreign policy.
it's getting pretty tired as well...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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