24 slaughtered Iraqis = negligent homicide

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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he doesnt live in America either. blanketing "America" and disgusting isn't something I'm going to sit back and agree with just because a few rogue soldiers made some mistakes.

    A few rogue soldiers who were put there by a disgrace of a president who was RELECTED to a second term, after starting a war based on lies. Does this make Americas whole history a disgrace? Probably not. Does it make America a disgrace during this period of time? An argument could definitely be made for that.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes I do read history. do you ignore all the good america has done? you honestly loved 9/11 didnt you? we got what we deserved.

    according to your logic you must hate several countries around the world. several.

    Whats wrong with you, why can't you take critcism against America?

    It's not a perfect country, hate to break it to you buddy, there are no perfect countries out there, but your blind patrotism isn't making your country any better.

    What are you going on about several countries?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Whats wrong with you, why can't you take critcism against America?

    It's not a perfect country, hate to break it to you buddy, there are no perfect countries out there, but your blind patrotism isn't making your country any better.

    What are you going on about several countries?

    not claiming america is perfect. I think the Iraq situation has hurt the US but history isnt written yet about the true impact of the war.

    I think america is a great country and does alot of good in the world. you choose not to acknowledge that.

    I dont hear you calling out china or north korea or many other countries in the world that do direct harm to people while not doing much good.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    hey Spiral, can you say one good thing about the US? just one. i want to hear you say it. Then maybe i'll believe you have some objectivity.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not claiming america is perfect. I think the Iraq situation has hurt the US but history isnt written yet about the true impact of the war.

    I think america is a great country and does alot of good in the world. you choose not to acknowledge that.

    I dont hear you calling out china or north korea or many other countries in the world that do direct harm to people while not doing much good.



    So the fact that you have done many good things justifies you to do many bad things. At this point it ceirtainly appears that the US is doing alot more harm than good in the world. And im sure they are doing some wonderfull things but to me the war and carnage that is going on in Irak dampens any effort of goodwill that they can provide. And frankly it makes them look like hypocrits. Its very sad, because I know most of the people in America are good.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not claiming america is perfect. I think the Iraq situation has hurt the US but history isnt written yet about the true impact of the war.

    I think america is a great country and does alot of good in the world. you choose not to acknowledge that.

    I dont hear you calling out china or north korea or many other countries in the world that do direct harm to people while not doing much good.

    I'm not basing my opinion of America on just iraq, how many coups did the CIA bring about in south america and other countries when the goverments there didn't act in America's interest any longer. They did the same with Saddam. He was america's best buddy and a blind eye was turned to all the bad things he did because he was America's friend, but when he no longer acted in America's interest it was time to bring up all the those things he had done and dispose of him.

    You take everything so personally but if you bothered to look outside of America you would see that England is as involved in this bulls**t to.

    The countries you mention, aren't trying to police the world. Or going in to coutries to control oil to stay on top of the game.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    polaris wrote:
    your nationalism gets the better of you ... the reality is that america is a disgrace ... if you showed some objectivity - you might actually realize it and maybe try and make it the place it can be instead of the place it is now ...

    you take each comment about america personally without stopping to actually see if it is true ... you can point out a million things wrong about every other country but it still doesn't change the fact that america now stands for things that are disgraceful ...


    i can agree that America has done some disgraceful and some positive things. Can you agree that Kanada has done virtually every disgraceful thing America has done or been complicite with America in them?

    Seriously i'm just trying to figure out where people stand here.

    Are you all just America haters or do you recognize the fact that pretty much every country on Earth that has existed for more than 200 years and has had any degree of power has done the same things? Do any of you recognize the fact that when 90% of foreigners come on here to relentlessly bash the US some AMericans that actually love their home nation are going to defend it and point out good things there country is responsible for as well as point out bad things your country is responsible for?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    So the fact that you have done many good things justifies you to do many bad things. At this point it ceirtainly appears that the US is doing alot more harm than good in the world. And im sure they are doing some wonderfull things but to me the war and carnage that is going on in Irak dampens any effort of goodwill that they can provide. And frankly it makes them look like hypocrits. Its very sad, because I know most of the people in America are good.

    So well said.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:

    The countries you mention, aren't trying to police the world. Or going in to coutries to control oil to stay on top of the game.

    shows how little you know. do you have any idea what China is doing? obviously not.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    MrSmith wrote:
    Are you all just America haters

    Please tell me how you equate pointing out that some of what America is doing at the moment and since the end of world war II as wrong and hypocritical is hating America?

    Do you hate everyone that you disagree with?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    So the fact that you have done many good things justifies you to do many bad things.
    absolutely not. I never even came close to justifiing the horrible actions for a few rogue soldiers. which is what they are. its not america policy to car bombs vegetable markets. now is it?
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    At this point it ceirtainly appears that the US is doing alot more harm than good in the world. And im sure they are doing some wonderfull things but to me the war and carnage that is going on in Irak dampens any effort of goodwill that they can provide. And frankly it makes them look like hypocrits. Its very sad, because I know most of the people in America are good.

    the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    spiral out wrote:
    Do you hate everyone that you disagree with?

    thats what i'm fucking asking you. do you think that America has any redeemable qualities? a simple fucking question
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    shows how little you know. do you have any idea what China is doing? obviously not.

    Yes i'm well aware of china i have told you before that i think they will be the next super power. If i remember correctly you got upset by that.

    But just because all these other coutries do wrong things to does not take away the fact that America does wrong things.

    But you always try to justify it.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    MrSmith wrote:
    i can agree that America has done some disgraceful and some positive things. Can you agree that Kanada has done virtually every disgraceful thing America has done or been complicite with America in them?

    Seriously i'm just trying to figure out where people stand here.

    Are you all just America haters or do you recognize the fact that pretty much every country on Earth that has existed for more than 200 years and has had any degree of power has done the same things? Do any of you recognize the fact that when 90% of foreigners come on here to relentlessly bash the US some AMericans that actually love their home nation are going to defend it and point out good things there country is responsible for as well as point out bad things your country is responsible for?

    i do appreciate that many americans get very defensive when someone says anything remotely bad about it ... it's too bad because that response indicates to me that person isn't really listening ... they are just reacting ... internet or not - you can sense the anger in the response ... responding from a place rooted in anger rarely shows objectiveness ...

    canada is no beacon of liberty - no one claims it to be and i can assure you that if you post anything bad about my country - i will most likely agree with your synopsis ... but to your point - we don't even come close to having the history or influence the US does ... so, it's an awfully pale comparison ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the war in Iraq has pissed off many but the Iraqi government has asked us to stay so we do. we made a mess there and now we are helping to fix it. we have always said we will leave.

    one of the first areas of spending and continued expense has been the building of large military bases in iraq ... ones that are still under construction - how can you plan to leave yet build all these permanent bases?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    MrSmith wrote:
    thats what i'm fucking asking you. do you think that America has any redeemable qualities? a simple fucking question

    Ok mate, no need to get so angry, what is it with you people?

    Why don't you tell me a truth about England and see if i throw a hissy fit.

    Of course America is not all bad, hell i've visited twice in the last two years.

    But that does not make all the things that America is doing right now fine and dandy.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Yes i'm well aware of china i have told you before that i think they will be the next super power. If i remember correctly you got upset by that.
    wow you lost me here tiny. you are well aware of what they are doing and think they are the next super power? still sounds like you have no fucking clue. china is funding much of the evil in the world yet you turn a blind eye to. actually you dont, you just have no clue what china is doing.

    china already is a super power but they will never pass the US. well maybe if the communist regime falls. but I dont see that happening.
    spiral out wrote:
    But just because all these other coutries do wrong things to does not take away the fact that America does wrong things.

    But you always try to justify it.

    what the fuck is wrong with you? I never justify bad actions of rogue soldiers. which is what this thread is about.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    one of the first areas of spending and continued expense has been the building of large military bases in iraq ... ones that are still under construction - how can you plan to leave yet build all these permanent bases?

    we have bases all over the world yet somehow those countries seem to run themselves. this will be no different.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    polaris wrote:
    we don't even come close to having the history or influence the US does ... so, it's an awfully pale comparison ...

    sounds awfully defensive and ignorant to me. I do believe there were Natives living in Canada before Europeans, too. wonder what happened to them? You don't have the influence or scale, but you quietly follow along with everything the US controlled west does (except Iraq, good job!) because you know that whatever America does, Canada will benefit as well.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:


    what the fuck is wrong with you? I never justify bad actions of rogue soldiers. which is what this thread is about.

    Ok you just point out that other countries are bad to, so why is everyone picking on America.

    Plus again whats with all the anger, we were having a conversation then you also threw a hissy fit.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.

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