U.S. Special Forces Engaged in Operations on the Ground in Somalia
January 09, 2007 1:59 PM
Alexis Debat Reports:
U.S. special forces are working with Ethiopian troops on the ground in operations inside Somalia today, senior U.S. and French military sources tell ABC News.
The sources declined to describe details of today's mission but said U.S. special forces, including a significant CIA presence, have been involved in numerous such missions, operating from a large American base camp known as "Camp Le Monier," established in the French protectorate of Djibouti following 9/11.
There are approximately 3,000 American special forces and U.S. military soldiers based at "Camp Le Monier," which has become a major reconnaissance and staging base in the fight against al Qaeda in the region.
U.S. Special Forces Engaged in Operations on the Ground in Somalia
January 09, 2007 1:59 PM
Alexis Debat Reports:
U.S. special forces are working with Ethiopian troops on the ground in operations inside Somalia today, senior U.S. and French military sources tell ABC News.
The sources declined to describe details of today's mission but said U.S. special forces, including a significant CIA presence, have been involved in numerous such missions, operating from a large American base camp known as "Camp Le Monier," established in the French protectorate of Djibouti following 9/11.
There are approximately 3,000 American special forces and U.S. military soldiers based at "Camp Le Monier," which has become a major reconnaissance and staging base in the fight against al Qaeda in the region.
like i said shit happens...we didnt deliberately target the civilians..
this kind of response irritates me... here's a scenario for you miller: if a high level terrorist was on the loose in the US, and was located in a shopping mall where you just happened to be shopping or working, would it be ok for the military to just blow up the corner of the mall, killing you and how ever many innocent civilians? if a member of your family was killed while they got the bad guy, would your response still be "shit happens"?
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this kind of response irritates me... here's a scenario for you miller: if a high level terrorist was on the loose in the US, and was located in a shopping mall where you just happened to be shopping or working, would it be ok for the military to just blow up the corner of the mall, killing you and how ever many innocent civilians? if a member of your family was killed while they got the bad guy, would your response still be "shit happens"?
They probaly bombed him in a cluster and not a shopping mall.
They probaly bombed him in a cluster and not a shopping mall.
what exactly is a cluster? like a bunch of people on a city street? ok, my same question applies no matter what this "cluster" was. Would you just brush it off if someone in your family just happened to be by this "cluster" when it was bombed?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
like i said shit happens...we didnt deliberately target the civilians..
If a terrorist is in a crowd of civilians, and we deliberately attack said terrorist with a weapon that has an effective explosive radius of over one foot, then we have deliberately targeted civilians. After all, we would know that the terrorist wouldn't be the only one to die.
Now, I'm all for killing the bad guys. However, its a loss on our side (or at best a wash) if we end up creating more bad guys in the process.
what exactly is a cluster? like a bunch of people on a city street? ok, my same question applies no matter what this "cluster" was. Would you just brush it off if someone in your family just happened to be by this "cluster" when it was bombed?
If your an al qaeda operative fighting in a war the majority of people around you most likely will have the same cause as you.
If your an al qaeda operative fighting in a war the majority of people around you most likely will have the same cause as you.
With this reasoning. Since you support your government as most do in your country. Hitting the buildings on 911 was justified. Being American and not having a problem with your government and military running wild all over the globe. I knew I would see something through your eyes if I read enough.
If your an al qaeda operative fighting in a war the majority of people around you most likely will have the same cause as you.
The same "cause"? So now you're for criminalizing thought and opinion? I know that there's a bit of fascism running through fundamentalist Muslims these days, but it frightens me to see it on our side. If you're not offering an alternative, then why should you receive support?
With this reasoning. Since you support your government as most do in your country. Hitting the buildings on 911 was justified. Being American and not having a problem with your government and military running wild all over the globe. I knew I would see something through your eyes if I read enough.
Military command was not stationed in the Wtc...so i dont see your logic.
Pastoralists say there have been air strikes since Sunday
Following US air strikes in southern Somalia targeting suspected al-Qaeda leaders, several herding areas have been hit by bombs.
An elder in Banka-Jiira, a grazing area about 40km east of Doble town, who wished to remain anonymous citing security reasons, gave an account of the raids and their aftermath to the BBC's Somali Service.
There have been air strikes carried out by American planes in these areas since Sunday.
Here in the Banka-Jiira area, which is the largest grazing area in the Juba Valley region, we have been hard hit.
There have been several air strikes over nearby Booji grazing area too.
The most unfortunate incident was an attack on a big wedding ceremony.
Very many livestock have been killed by the bombs
We have information that the American planes are being directed from the ground by soldiers who are moving among the herders at night.
We do not have the figures of the dead animals as a result of the air strikes but they are very many livestock that have been killed by the bombs.
And on Tuesday morning, a man who has lost a limb was brought in for treatment at Banka-Jiira's health centre.
A driver in his car has also been blown up in the attack.
When the Islamist militia fled Doble about a week ago they passed through this area.
Ethiopian and government forces who were pursuing them forced about 10 young men from here to show them the escape route the Islamist fighters took.
They forcefully took away the young men and out of the 10 who went with the soldiers, only one has managed to return following the heaving fighting.
Up to now we have no idea where the rest of these young people are.
MOGADISHU: Clan elders and residents in southern Somalia said on Thursday that about 100 civilians were killed this week in US and Ethiopian air strikes on suspected al-Qaeda targets in the region.
There was no way to independently confirm the toll, and it was unclear if it referred to the same areas hit by at least one US air raid on Monday, and by other attacks believed to have been launched by Ethiopian helicopters. Sheikh Abdullahi Ali Malabon, an elder in the Afmadow area, said 100 bodies had been counted.
“We have sent a team to assess the casualties there and they have confirmed more than 100 people killed,” he told AFP by phone from the remote area. “Many others were wounded but we don’t have an exact number.”
Closer to the Kenyan border, between the villages of Afmadow and Dhobley, residents and elders also spoke of at least 100 civilian deaths but stressed they had only yet accounted for 29 bodies, some burned beyond recognition. “I was with a team sent to the bombardment areas near Dhobley to bury the dead, what I have seen was really terrible,” Absuge Mohamed Weli, a Dhobley resident told AFP.
“I counted 29 dead people, some of them burned so they could not be identified, and we have buried them,” he said. “A lot of people were also wounded.” “I have seen more dead bodies in the forest, I recognised some of them and they were local civilians,” Weli said.
“They were killed while keeping their animals. I have also seen animals, most of them cows, dead in villages.” It was not immediately clear if the Dhobley and Afmadow estimates included the same reported deaths.
“We estimate about 100 innocent civilians have been killed,” said Dhobley elder Moalim Adan Osman. “Some are still missing and I think their bodies are somewhere in the forest.”
“The airplanes have bombed large areas and the whole zone is jungle and no one can classify what is inside,” he said. “They have bombed the nomads in the area indiscriminately.” Ethiopia, which has troops in Somalia backing the country’s transitional government, said on Wednesday that Monday’s US strike had not caused any civilian casualties but did not mention raids conducted by Ethiopian forces. Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said the US bombardments instead killed only eight “terrorists” and wounded five, who were then captured by his troops, while another seven of the 20 extremists targeted may have escaped.
But Mohamed Ibrahim Guled, an Afmadow resident, said “a lot” of civilians had been killed by the US raid.
“We haven’t seen any al-Qaeda members killed but what we can confirm is that a lot of innocent civilians have been killed by the American warplanes,” he told AFP. “They hit civilian sites and forests where nomads keep animals.”
You would criticize the US no matter what we do. I mean, what are you trying to say here, that we just wanted to bomb some people for the hell of it? That is your mindset. You think the US just murders people for no good reason. Like our pilots were saying.. "hey guys, there's a four-year-old, let's kill that little fucker, that would be fun!".
Us, European don't criticize US whatver US does... We just sometimes don't agree with US politics, US views...
I think that US will make islamists nervous and angry. That will be the only result of such a raid.
Or maybe US has some interest in Somalia ?
Not easy for me to think that US only do that for the good of local populations...
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No it wouldn't but that doesn't mean that the way we are currently attempting to stop Militant Islamic Fundamentalism is working. Brute military force is not the answer.
because instead it is really good with the somali warlords in charge, eh?
Speaking of warlords, Hussein Mohammed Aidid who is Deputy Prime Minister, Interior Minister and Minister for Reconciliation is commander of a clan militia that killed US troops in a street battle in Mogadishu (of Black Hawk Down fame), admittedly this was in the days when his father was at the head of this faction. He is also a naturalized US citizen. And I thought you needed to be 'whiter than white' (no pun intended) become a US citizen... Just thought this was an interesting and curious little fact....
MOGADISHU: Clan elders and residents in southern Somalia said on Thursday that about 100 civilians were killed this week in US and Ethiopian air strikes on suspected al-Qaeda targets in the region.
There was no way to independently confirm the toll, and it was unclear if it referred to the same areas hit by at least one US air raid on Monday, and by other attacks believed to have been launched by Ethiopian helicopters. Sheikh Abdullahi Ali Malabon, an elder in the Afmadow area, said 100 bodies had been counted.
“We have sent a team to assess the casualties there and they have confirmed more than 100 people killed,” he told AFP by phone from the remote area. “Many others were wounded but we don’t have an exact number.”
Closer to the Kenyan border, between the villages of Afmadow and Dhobley, residents and elders also spoke of at least 100 civilian deaths but stressed they had only yet accounted for 29 bodies, some burned beyond recognition. “I was with a team sent to the bombardment areas near Dhobley to bury the dead, what I have seen was really terrible,” Absuge Mohamed Weli, a Dhobley resident told AFP.
“I counted 29 dead people, some of them burned so they could not be identified, and we have buried them,” he said. “A lot of people were also wounded.” “I have seen more dead bodies in the forest, I recognised some of them and they were local civilians,” Weli said.
“They were killed while keeping their animals. I have also seen animals, most of them cows, dead in villages.” It was not immediately clear if the Dhobley and Afmadow estimates included the same reported deaths.
“We estimate about 100 innocent civilians have been killed,” said Dhobley elder Moalim Adan Osman. “Some are still missing and I think their bodies are somewhere in the forest.”
“The airplanes have bombed large areas and the whole zone is jungle and no one can classify what is inside,” he said. “They have bombed the nomads in the area indiscriminately.” Ethiopia, which has troops in Somalia backing the country’s transitional government, said on Wednesday that Monday’s US strike had not caused any civilian casualties but did not mention raids conducted by Ethiopian forces. Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said the US bombardments instead killed only eight “terrorists” and wounded five, who were then captured by his troops, while another seven of the 20 extremists targeted may have escaped.
But Mohamed Ibrahim Guled, an Afmadow resident, said “a lot” of civilians had been killed by the US raid.
“We haven’t seen any al-Qaeda members killed but what we can confirm is that a lot of innocent civilians have been killed by the American warplanes,” he told AFP. “They hit civilian sites and forests where nomads keep animals.”
(Claps hands to applaud the US Government once again).....job well done....so 8 out of 100....damn that is an 8% accuracy rate....keep it as we all know shit happens......I just do not understand how some people support this action....just as they most likely do not understand why I do not support it.....frustrating reading this expanded war on terror.....just going to cause more hostility IMHO.....especially when 92% of those killed did NOTHING wrong....I think it is a safe bet a percentage of them will now hold a grudge against the US....which is unfortuante...unfortunate to those that do not believe in this action.....
Us, European don't criticize US whatver US does... We just sometimes don't agree with US politics, US views...
I think that US will make islamists nervous and angry. That will be the only result of such a raid.
Or maybe US has some interest in Somalia ?
Not easy for me to think that US only do that for the good of local populations...
(Claps hands to applaud the US Government once again).....job well done....so 8 out of 100....damn that is an 8% accuracy rate....keep it as we all know shit happens......I just do not understand how some people support this action....just as they most likely do not understand why I do not support it.....frustrating reading this expanded war on terror.....just going to cause more hostility IMHO.....especially when 92% of those killed did NOTHING wrong....I think it is a safe bet a percentage of them will now hold a grudge against the US....which is unfortuante...unfortunate to those that do not believe in this action.....
It's frightening, isn't it. The US is killing innocent people and where's the outcry?
It's frightening, isn't it. The US is killing innocent people and where's the outcry?
American news channels are not even talking about any dead innocents and as far as the american public goes, they have no idea what's going on. They are more interested in the rosie/donald trump war.
Speaking of warlords, Hussein Mohammed Aidid who is Deputy Prime Minister, Interior Minister and Minister for Reconciliation is commander of a clan militia that killed US troops in a street battle in Mogadishu (of Black Hawk Down fame), admittedly this was in the days when his father was at the head of this faction. He is also a naturalized US citizen. And I thought you needed to be 'whiter than white' (no pun intended) become a US citizen... Just thought this was an interesting and curious little fact....
Aidid junior was actually in the Marine Corps. I'm not sure if this was a rumor or not, but apparently his influence on his father was enough to deter attacks against US marines in Somalia who landed on the ground before the Rangers, but probably not the Delta guys. After the Marines left, it was on.
Just another reason to hate the Marines and love the Army.
American news channels are not even talking about any dead innocents and as far as the american public goes, they have no idea what's going on. They are more interested in the rosie/donald trump war.
Yeah bro, frightening indeed.
Definetely is....and as usual the innocents are left behind why the government thumps its chest over 8 "terrorists" that are dead.....I cannot wait for the day that Bush or his predecessor (wish Bush goes through it though) has to finally admit they are not going to win and must pull out.......however I think the ego of the man and his minions will prevent me from seeing that day...he will leave his mess for the next sucker to clean up.....
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January 09, 2007 1:59 PM
Alexis Debat Reports:
U.S. special forces are working with Ethiopian troops on the ground in operations inside Somalia today, senior U.S. and French military sources tell ABC News.
The sources declined to describe details of today's mission but said U.S. special forces, including a significant CIA presence, have been involved in numerous such missions, operating from a large American base camp known as "Camp Le Monier," established in the French protectorate of Djibouti following 9/11.
There are approximately 3,000 American special forces and U.S. military soldiers based at "Camp Le Monier," which has become a major reconnaissance and staging base in the fight against al Qaeda in the region.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/us_special_forc.html
Black Hawk II (We're here again), in the works?
And how many innocent civilians in the process??? May their souls rest in peace.
bad things happen....you think al qaeda worries about collateral damage.
But we're not al qaeda...
like i said shit happens...we didnt deliberately target the civilians..
this kind of response irritates me... here's a scenario for you miller: if a high level terrorist was on the loose in the US, and was located in a shopping mall where you just happened to be shopping or working, would it be ok for the military to just blow up the corner of the mall, killing you and how ever many innocent civilians? if a member of your family was killed while they got the bad guy, would your response still be "shit happens"?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
They probaly bombed him in a cluster and not a shopping mall.
what exactly is a cluster? like a bunch of people on a city street? ok, my same question applies no matter what this "cluster" was. Would you just brush it off if someone in your family just happened to be by this "cluster" when it was bombed?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
That's very arguable.
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Now, I'm all for killing the bad guys. However, its a loss on our side (or at best a wash) if we end up creating more bad guys in the process.
If your an al qaeda operative fighting in a war the majority of people around you most likely will have the same cause as you.
With this reasoning. Since you support your government as most do in your country. Hitting the buildings on 911 was justified. Being American and not having a problem with your government and military running wild all over the globe. I knew I would see something through your eyes if I read enough.
Military command was not stationed in the Wtc...so i dont see your logic.
But you can see the logic in fighting a war against a word. Odd!
Somali herders hit by air attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6248669.stm
Pastoralists say there have been air strikes since Sunday
Following US air strikes in southern Somalia targeting suspected al-Qaeda leaders, several herding areas have been hit by bombs.
An elder in Banka-Jiira, a grazing area about 40km east of Doble town, who wished to remain anonymous citing security reasons, gave an account of the raids and their aftermath to the BBC's Somali Service.
There have been air strikes carried out by American planes in these areas since Sunday.
Here in the Banka-Jiira area, which is the largest grazing area in the Juba Valley region, we have been hard hit.
There have been several air strikes over nearby Booji grazing area too.
The most unfortunate incident was an attack on a big wedding ceremony.
Very many livestock have been killed by the bombs
We have information that the American planes are being directed from the ground by soldiers who are moving among the herders at night.
We do not have the figures of the dead animals as a result of the air strikes but they are very many livestock that have been killed by the bombs.
And on Tuesday morning, a man who has lost a limb was brought in for treatment at Banka-Jiira's health centre.
A driver in his car has also been blown up in the attack.
When the Islamist militia fled Doble about a week ago they passed through this area.
Ethiopian and government forces who were pursuing them forced about 10 young men from here to show them the escape route the Islamist fighters took.
They forcefully took away the young men and out of the 10 who went with the soldiers, only one has managed to return following the heaving fighting.
Up to now we have no idea where the rest of these young people are.
There was no way to independently confirm the toll, and it was unclear if it referred to the same areas hit by at least one US air raid on Monday, and by other attacks believed to have been launched by Ethiopian helicopters. Sheikh Abdullahi Ali Malabon, an elder in the Afmadow area, said 100 bodies had been counted.
“We have sent a team to assess the casualties there and they have confirmed more than 100 people killed,” he told AFP by phone from the remote area. “Many others were wounded but we don’t have an exact number.”
Closer to the Kenyan border, between the villages of Afmadow and Dhobley, residents and elders also spoke of at least 100 civilian deaths but stressed they had only yet accounted for 29 bodies, some burned beyond recognition. “I was with a team sent to the bombardment areas near Dhobley to bury the dead, what I have seen was really terrible,” Absuge Mohamed Weli, a Dhobley resident told AFP.
“I counted 29 dead people, some of them burned so they could not be identified, and we have buried them,” he said. “A lot of people were also wounded.” “I have seen more dead bodies in the forest, I recognised some of them and they were local civilians,” Weli said.
“They were killed while keeping their animals. I have also seen animals, most of them cows, dead in villages.” It was not immediately clear if the Dhobley and Afmadow estimates included the same reported deaths.
“We estimate about 100 innocent civilians have been killed,” said Dhobley elder Moalim Adan Osman. “Some are still missing and I think their bodies are somewhere in the forest.”
“The airplanes have bombed large areas and the whole zone is jungle and no one can classify what is inside,” he said. “They have bombed the nomads in the area indiscriminately.” Ethiopia, which has troops in Somalia backing the country’s transitional government, said on Wednesday that Monday’s US strike had not caused any civilian casualties but did not mention raids conducted by Ethiopian forces. Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said the US bombardments instead killed only eight “terrorists” and wounded five, who were then captured by his troops, while another seven of the 20 extremists targeted may have escaped.
But Mohamed Ibrahim Guled, an Afmadow resident, said “a lot” of civilians had been killed by the US raid.
“We haven’t seen any al-Qaeda members killed but what we can confirm is that a lot of innocent civilians have been killed by the American warplanes,” he told AFP. “They hit civilian sites and forests where nomads keep animals.”
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=38646
www.amnesty.org.uk
Us, European don't criticize US whatver US does... We just sometimes don't agree with US politics, US views...
I think that US will make islamists nervous and angry. That will be the only result of such a raid.
Or maybe US has some interest in Somalia ?
Not easy for me to think that US only do that for the good of local populations...
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What is? Talking with them? Holding hands?
OK...
Speaking of warlords, Hussein Mohammed Aidid who is Deputy Prime Minister, Interior Minister and Minister for Reconciliation is commander of a clan militia that killed US troops in a street battle in Mogadishu (of Black Hawk Down fame), admittedly this was in the days when his father was at the head of this faction. He is also a naturalized US citizen. And I thought you needed to be 'whiter than white' (no pun intended) become a US citizen... Just thought this was an interesting and curious little fact....
(Claps hands to applaud the US Government once again).....job well done....so 8 out of 100....damn that is an 8% accuracy rate....keep it as we all know shit happens......I just do not understand how some people support this action....just as they most likely do not understand why I do not support it.....frustrating reading this expanded war on terror.....just going to cause more hostility IMHO.....especially when 92% of those killed did NOTHING wrong....I think it is a safe bet a percentage of them will now hold a grudge against the US....which is unfortuante...unfortunate to those that do not believe in this action.....
Well it is close to a seaward passage......
It's frightening, isn't it. The US is killing innocent people and where's the outcry?
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American news channels are not even talking about any dead innocents and as far as the american public goes, they have no idea what's going on. They are more interested in the rosie/donald trump war.
Yeah bro, frightening indeed.
Aidid junior was actually in the Marine Corps. I'm not sure if this was a rumor or not, but apparently his influence on his father was enough to deter attacks against US marines in Somalia who landed on the ground before the Rangers, but probably not the Delta guys. After the Marines left, it was on.
Just another reason to hate the Marines and love the Army.
Definetely is....and as usual the innocents are left behind why the government thumps its chest over 8 "terrorists" that are dead.....I cannot wait for the day that Bush or his predecessor (wish Bush goes through it though) has to finally admit they are not going to win and must pull out.......however I think the ego of the man and his minions will prevent me from seeing that day...he will leave his mess for the next sucker to clean up.....