US Somali air strikes 'kill many'

MrBrian

searchlightsoul wrote:

Apparently Mogadishu was a much safer place when they were in charge because they removed the warlords from the city.

Yeah, they did bring quite alot of order. of course some things they did were kinda weird, they banned western music and I think cigs. but a large amount of people have said that for the stability they had from them, the trade was worth it.

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The US backing (arms and money) of somalias thugs and the ethiopian army is just going to bring a flood of al queida into the country. Then the US will turn into britney spears? yeah know, "ooops I did it again"

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

See here you go again. It's like you are TRYING to not think rationally when it comes to the United States.

Any reasonable person understands that the U.S. has let certain entities dictate the use of our military power. Be it the protest of other nations, the U.N. and even our own citzens, we have curbed our tactics to limit civilian death that will be instant news the world over.

But it is absolutely undisbutable that the rules of engagement in Iraq do not bring to bear the full might of American military power, absent nuclear weapons. This is simply indisputable fact. Why can't you acknoweldge this? Why do you feel you have to turn this into some sort of bullshit that becuase I make such an asertion you turn it around and talk about masacering people and nuking the place? Don't you want to have some sort of responsible dialouge with people with whom you disagree on this board?

So your reasoning is that it's all those who protest war who are responsible for 'us' not winning it?
Nice logic.

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

So your reasoning is that it's all those who protest war who are responsible for 'us' not winning it?
Nice logic.

LoL, not at all. It's the administrations fault that we are in our current situation. Those that protested didn't help the effort, but it's ultimately not their fault.

My point is simply that America doesn't fight by the same rules our enemies do, and this means that it's premature to say that brute force can't achieve our political goals in the Middle East.

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

LoL, not at all. It's the administrations fault that we are in our current situation. Those that protested didn't help the effort, but it's ultimately not their fault.

My point is simply that America doesn't fight by the same rules our enemies do, and this means that it's premature to say that brute force can't achieve our political goals in the Middle East.

With an estimated 600,000 dead Iraqis. I'd say they've had more than their fur rubbed the wrong way over the past few years. Doesn't sound like they've been given an easy time to me.

my2hands

fact: whatever the "official" reasoning is for this, is not the "real" reason for this. i think we can all agree on that.

Byrnzie

polaris wrote:

when are people gonna accept the fact that this military industrial complex is in full swing ... the only thing that ever added up and still continues is the fact that defence contractors NEED wars ... they don't survive in times of peace ... Eisenhower warned against it ... i hear the documentary "Why We Fight" explains it ...

we know full well that the US has played both sides of a dispute before - is it any wonder that the iraq invasion was bumbled?? ... those assholes know exactly what they are doing ... just look at the budgets being passed in congress for more military spending ...

if you don't think that there are people willing to cause mass suffering for the sake of making a buck - well, then you haven't been paying attention ...

You could well be right here. I saw a documentary last night on t.v where an English fella has been following some British soldiers around in Afghanistan and filming their struggle against the Taliban. The whole programme last night showed them fighting over a period of about 10 weeks to try and capture a town back from the Taliban. As soon as they has finally captured it they were ordered by High command to give it up and all fly out to Kandahar for another operation. So the town was given up to the Taliban after weeks of fighting and a load of casualties.
Maybe the powers that be don't want our troops to win this war, and in fact want a continuous war to benefit the arms manufacturers and give perpetual justification for American expansionism. The longer these bullshit wars are taking, the more we are fueling Islamic extremism and creating more justification for war. A nice little vicious circle that keeps the arms manufacturers in Ferarri's and Rolex watches, and keeps gullible people voting George Bush into power.

Collin

There are already like a million threads about Iraq on this board, I guess we can turn this one into yet another one.

polaris

Byrnzie wrote:

You could well be right here. I saw a documentary last night on t.v where an English fella has been following some British soldiers around in Afghanistan and filming their struggle against the Taliban. The whole programme last night showed them fighting over a period of about 10 weeks to try and capture a town back from the Taliban. As soon as they has finally captured it they were ordered by High command to give it up and all fly out to Kandahar for another operation. So the town was given up to the Taliban after weeks of fighting and a load of casualties.
Maybe the powers that be don't want our troops to win this war, and in fact want a continuous war to benefit the arms manufacturers and give perpetual justification for American expansionism. The longer these bullshit wars are taking, the more we are fueling Islamic extremism and creating more justification for war. A nice little vicious circle that keeps the arms manufacturers in Ferarri's and Rolex watches, and keeps gullible people voting George Bush into power.

it's obvious ... i mean u got a VP and an ex-prez (father to current prez) who are both profiting greatly from war ... but no one seems to care cuz making money is a noble cause ...

norm

polaris wrote:

when are people gonna accept the fact that this military industrial complex is in full swing ... the only thing that ever added up and still continues is the fact that defence contractors NEED wars ... they don't survive in times of peace ... Eisenhower warned against it ... i hear the documentary "Why We Fight" explains it ...

we know full well that the US has played both sides of a dispute before - is it any wonder that the iraq invasion was bumbled?? ... those assholes know exactly what they are doing ... just look at the budgets being passed in congress for more military spending ...

if you don't think that there are people willing to cause mass suffering for the sake of making a buck - well, then you haven't been paying attention ...

Pretty much sums up Iraq. Good job.


And I believe Bush likes killing people.

Coming back to life

cutback wrote:

Pretty much sums up Iraq. Good job.


And I believe Bush likes killing people.

And anyone who thinks Islamic extremism is all about getting some troops out of the middle east hasn't been paying attention either. For the record I'm against the so-called war on terror. Replacing Sharia state with Sharia state is the tactic of the day and will never work, either to bring peace to the middle east or to protect our shores. I don't believe Bush and Blair have some mastermind agenda to rob us all, I just think they're incredibly stupid. But let's not forget what Islamic extremism is all about - that's at least call a spade a spade here...

MrBrian

U.S. Special Forces Engaged in Operations on the Ground in Somalia

January 09, 2007 1:59 PM

Alexis Debat Reports:

U.S. special forces are working with Ethiopian troops on the ground in operations inside Somalia today, senior U.S. and French military sources tell ABC News.

The sources declined to describe details of today's mission but said U.S. special forces, including a significant CIA presence, have been involved in numerous such missions, operating from a large American base camp known as "Camp Le Monier," established in the French protectorate of Djibouti following 9/11.

There are approximately 3,000 American special forces and U.S. military soldiers based at "Camp Le Monier," which has become a major reconnaissance and staging base in the fight against al Qaeda in the region.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/us_special_forc.html

even flow?

MrBrian wrote:

U.S. Special Forces Engaged in Operations on the Ground in Somalia

January 09, 2007 1:59 PM

Alexis Debat Reports:

U.S. special forces are working with Ethiopian troops on the ground in operations inside Somalia today, senior U.S. and French military sources tell ABC News.

The sources declined to describe details of today's mission but said U.S. special forces, including a significant CIA presence, have been involved in numerous such missions, operating from a large American base camp known as "Camp Le Monier," established in the French protectorate of Djibouti following 9/11.

There are approximately 3,000 American special forces and U.S. military soldiers based at "Camp Le Monier," which has become a major reconnaissance and staging base in the fight against al Qaeda in the region.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/us_special_forc.html

Black Hawk II (We're here again), in the works?

miller8966

we just took out a key al qaeda operative...have fun in heaven buddy.

redrock

miller8966 wrote:

we just took out a key al qaeda operative...have fun in heaven buddy.

And how many innocent civilians in the process??? May their souls rest in peace.

miller8966

redrock wrote:

And how many innocent civilians in the process??? May their souls rest in peace.

bad things happen....you think al qaeda worries about collateral damage.

redrock

miller8966 wrote:

bad things happen....you think al qaeda worries about collateral damage.

But we're not al qaeda...

miller8966

redrock wrote:

But we're not al qaeda...

like i said shit happens...we didnt deliberately target the civilians..

blackredyellow

miller8966 wrote:

like i said shit happens...we didnt deliberately target the civilians..

this kind of response irritates me... here's a scenario for you miller: if a high level terrorist was on the loose in the US, and was located in a shopping mall where you just happened to be shopping or working, would it be ok for the military to just blow up the corner of the mall, killing you and how ever many innocent civilians? if a member of your family was killed while they got the bad guy, would your response still be "shit happens"?

miller8966

blackredyellow wrote:

this kind of response irritates me... here's a scenario for you miller: if a high level terrorist was on the loose in the US, and was located in a shopping mall where you just happened to be shopping or working, would it be ok for the military to just blow up the corner of the mall, killing you and how ever many innocent civilians? if a member of your family was killed while they got the bad guy, would your response still be "shit happens"?

They probaly bombed him in a cluster and not a shopping mall.

blackredyellow

miller8966 wrote:

They probaly bombed him in a cluster and not a shopping mall.

what exactly is a cluster? like a bunch of people on a city street? ok, my same question applies no matter what this "cluster" was. Would you just brush it off if someone in your family just happened to be by this "cluster" when it was bombed?